Topic: Rust bubble (Read 3557 times)

Elite Pete · « **on:** 02 October 2006, 10:07:05 »

I noticed yesterday while I was cleaning the car that a small rust bubble has just started to appear in the usual Omega place under the outer window rubber on the rear door. Can anyone tell me how to get the rubber (window rubber

) off.
Cheers Pete

Eliteman Steve · « **Reply #1 on:** 02 October 2006, 22:12:12 »

Got the same problem myself mate ,

afraid I don't know how to remove the strip , but hopefully someone here does and I may takle the job myself

Elite Pete · « **Reply #2 on:** 02 October 2006, 23:09:58 »

Thought i had better get it sorted sooner rather than later, by next summer there will be no door left

nixoro · « **Reply #3 on:** 03 October 2006, 09:11:44 »

I have this trouble as well unfortunately, the worst rust I had was under the door strip so have started to sort this first.

I believe the window rubbers are screwed in place somehow, I think the screws are visible with the window down when looking in the seal.

HTH

Elite Pete · « **Reply #4 on:** 03 October 2006, 14:07:11 »

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I have this trouble as well unfortunately, the worst rust I had was under the door strip so have started to sort this first.

I believe the window rubbers are screwed in place somehow, I think the screws are visible with the window down when looking in the seal.

HTH

Cheers [smiley=thumbsup.gif] I shall have a look this weekend weather permitting

markrl · « **Reply #5 on:** 03 October 2006, 18:08:14 »

There is no screw on the rubber windows seals they simply prise out. They are a fairly tight fit so use some sort of nylon lubrication (Holts electric window lubricant is good for the job) if necessary. You'll need to replace the rubber seal once out as they tend to go out of shape once pulled. Replacements are about £23 each. I have just had the same problem on a rear door (a small rust spot) repaired by my local body shop (in Sidcup) for £80 plus the cost of a new rubber seal. They have done an excellent paint job but the six million dollar question is will the rust come right back? - Time will tell how good the repair really was. What the cause of this problem which seems eventually to afflict almost all Omega's once they get past the 7 year mark I really don’t know for sure but I suspect its probably the result of poor manufacturing during the process when the panel was originally pressed (using stretched steel) as the paint actually seems perfectly fine. This type of problem has also affected the mighty Mercedes E class once again the result of poor manufacturing of a pressed and stretched steel panel. Corrosion in this area was never a problem on the Senator (although there were sadly many others) and seems to be a customer benefit introduced with the new Omega model.

Elite Pete · « **Reply #6 on:** 03 October 2006, 21:37:07 »

Thanks Mark

CaptainZok · « **Reply #7 on:** 03 October 2006, 21:42:04 »

Been wonderin about this myself. Think I can derust with the wire brush on my mini drill but I'm wondering what to fill the paint back flat with before I topcoat. Any ideas folks?

Timbuk · « **Reply #8 on:** 03 October 2006, 21:46:28 »

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Been wonderin about this myself. Think I can derust with the wire brush on my mini drill but I'm wondering what to fill the paint back flat with before I topcoat. Any ideas folks?

Is this by window rubber?

CaptainZok · « **Reply #9 on:** 03 October 2006, 21:49:10 »

Yep Timbuk the classic place. Thinkin I could repaint with an airbrush to minimise the overspray.

Timbuk · « **Reply #10 on:** 03 October 2006, 21:57:29 »

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Yep Timbuk the classic place. Thinkin I could repaint with an airbrush to minimise the overspray.

Sorry Captain, i think i was reading into this that you were gonna try and do it without removing the seal

. plain old body filler mate is the simple answer, i know it probably isnt going to be very deep but its the best thing to use. treat the rust if any, fill, wet and dry, fill, wet and dry, primer , paint , laquer. Airbrush is a good idea [smiley=thumbsup.gif]. And once youve done it , post a pic, if its any good i will let you do mine

CaptainZok · « **Reply #11 on:** 03 October 2006, 22:01:24 »

I'll put it on the todo list. Gotta do the engine stuff first though, and swap the ns wing.

theolodian · « **Reply #12 on:** 03 October 2006, 22:02:04 »

Yeah, this is going to be a project of mine soon too. Anyone feel like doing a guide?

Timbuk · « **Reply #13 on:** 03 October 2006, 22:08:59 »

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Yeah, this is going to be a project of mine soon too. Anyone feel like doing a guide?

I need to do mine too, have had some dealings with bodyshops in the past and done a few write offs in my time , so if you fancy a little body repair party while im still in cov i am quite happy to give you a hand. Only thing is Theo the weather is getting colder and its not going to help, unless youv'e got a spray booth in your back pocket

TheBoy · « **Reply #14 on:** 03 October 2006, 22:12:09 »

Do I detect a 'door repair party' - mine needs doing, and I ain't got a clue with bodywork. Or mechanics. Or electrics....

Timbuk · « **Reply #15 on:** 03 October 2006, 22:15:23 »

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Do I detect a 'door repair party' - mine needs doing, and I ain't got a clue with bodywork. Or mechanics. Or electrics....

No reason why not

Edit:- But i aint filling Bo Bo's Door

TheBoy · « **Reply #16 on:** 03 October 2006, 22:24:59 »

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Do I detect a 'door repair party' - mine needs doing, and I ain't got a clue with bodywork. Or mechanics. Or electrics....

No reason why not

Edit:- But i aint filling Bo Bo's Door

pmsl - the filler would weigh more than the car!

Shame about that door, as the bodywork on that one is excellent. Thats the perils of jousting...

Timbuk · « **Reply #17 on:** 03 October 2006, 22:34:06 »

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Do I detect a 'door repair party' - mine needs doing, and I ain't got a clue with bodywork. Or mechanics. Or electrics....

No reason why not

Edit:- But i aint filling Bo Bo's Door
pmsl - the filler would weigh more than the car!

Shame about that door, as the bodywork on that one is excellent. Thats the perils of jousting...

Yeah it is, especially considering its age

jonny2112 · « **Reply #18 on:** 03 October 2006, 23:17:15 »

Judging by the number of complaints about this particular problem, it could be a rather large party!

markrl · « **Reply #19 on:** 04 October 2006, 10:05:51 »

The small bodyshop that repaired my car sprayed only the very top part of the door and broke the paint line at the sculptured indentation that runs across the door about 5 inches below the window rubber. You have to look very very close indeed to see the join between old and new paint.

nixoro · « **Reply #20 on:** 04 October 2006, 10:47:40 »

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I have this trouble as well unfortunately, the worst rust I had was under the door strip so have started to sort this first.

I believe the window rubbers are screwed in place somehow, I think the screws are visible with the window down when looking in the seal.

HTH

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By Markrl
There is no screw on the rubber windows seals they simply prise out. They are a fairly tight fit so use some sort of nylon lubrication (Holts electric window lubricant is good for the job) if necessary. You'll need to replace the rubber seal once out as they tend to go out of shape once pulled. Replacements are about £23 each. I have just had the same problem on a rear door (a small rust spot) repaired by my local body shop (in Sidcup) for £80 plus the cost of a new rubber seal. They have done an excellent paint job but the six million dollar question is will the rust come right back? - Time will tell how good the repair really was. What the cause of this problem which seems eventually to afflict almost all Omega's once they get past the 7 year mark I really don’t know for sure but I suspect its probably the result of poor manufacturing during the process when the panel was originally pressed (using stretched steel) as the paint actually seems perfectly fine. This type of problem has also affected the mighty Mercedes E class once again the result of poor manufacturing of a pressed and stretched steel panel. Corrosion in this area was never a problem on the Senator (although there were sadly many others) and seems to be a customer benefit introduced with the new Omega model.

apologies for the duff info, the last time I looked inside my door there looked to be screw holes on the inside near the top so I assumed they were for the weather strip.

Cheers for clearing this up markrl [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Markie · « **Reply #21 on:** 05 October 2006, 10:34:05 »

Yep

I wil add my tuppence worth on this.....4 door omega, (obviously) 4 doors rusty ( obviously)

This started on mine under 5 years - when i got it. I SHOULD have sorted it under warranty, I SHOULD have investigated it before now as its now a darn mess but i am SCARED to look under the rubbers.

Dont think i will tackle this myself as its not something i have experience in, ashame as the rest of the car is perfect inside and out.

Its like a deviation of the phones 4u adverts "ashamed of your mobile"

I lean against the MV6 and stretch out in a constant terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired to cover the worst rust when i am talking to anyone outside the car

bob.dent · « **Reply #22 on:** 05 October 2006, 11:25:25 »

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Do I detect a 'door repair party' - mine needs doing, and I ain't got a clue with bodywork. Or mechanics. Or electrics....

Me too!!

Got rust on 3 doors now and don't know what to do about it. A door repair party sounds good [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Did think about putting into my mates garage as he does bodywork, but not sure if the cost will be justifiable. Also thinking about getting another later model Omega estate - either an Elite or MV6 if I can find one at the right price.

RossPhim · « **Reply #23 on:** 05 October 2006, 12:24:20 »

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I lean against the MV6 and stretch out in a constant terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired to cover the worst rust when i am talking to anyone outside the car

That should make the jockular meet a fun event. We will all be scared to leave our barges.
Mine is at the stage where is not really worth the money to sort out, you really need the knowledge yourself or have a very good mate now-a-days.

Eliteman Steve · « **Reply #24 on:** 06 October 2006, 12:29:12 »

Don't suppose the window sealing strip would be a Trade Club item , by any chance?

£23 is a lot for a bit of chrome and plastic especially if you need all four !!

Mine needed 2 last time I could bring myself to look closely , but I tend to admire my car from a distance of a cople of feet away these days

TheBoy · « **Reply #25 on:** 06 October 2006, 17:59:37 »

not tc item...

Timbuk · « **Reply #26 on:** 06 October 2006, 21:09:21 »

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Don't suppose the window sealing strip would be a Trade Club item , by any chance? £23 is a lot for a bit of chrome and plastic especially if you need all four !! Mine needed 2 last time I could bring myself to look closely , but I tend to admire my car from a distance of a cople of feet away these days

You best hope you never need a body moulding then, rear quarter on an estate 70quid + vat

theolodian · « **Reply #27 on:** 09 October 2006, 22:53:44 »

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I lean against the MV6 and stretch out in a constant terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired to cover the worst rust when i am talking to anyone outside the car

That should make the jockular meet a fun event. We will all be scared to leave our barges.
Mine is at the stage where is not really worth the money to sort out, you really need the knowledge yourself or have a very good mate now-a-days.

Yeah, Santa Pod could be kinda boring what with everyone standing around their own cars trying to hide the rust spots and making sure that others don't nick their headlight washers!

OTOH, the g/f is now worried that Santa Pod will turn into a rust spot party . . .

Elite Pete · « **Reply #28 on:** 09 October 2006, 22:55:44 »

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I lean against the MV6 and stretch out in a constant terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired to cover the worst rust when i am talking to anyone outside the car

That should make the jockular meet a fun event. We will all be scared to leave our barges.
Mine is at the stage where is not really worth the money to sort out, you really need the knowledge yourself or have a very good mate now-a-days.
Yeah, Santa Pod could be kinda boring what with everyone standing around their own cars trying to hide the rust spots and making sure that others don't nick their headlight washers!

OTOH, the g/f is now worried that Santa Pod will turn into a rust spot party . . .

Tell her to bring her nail file

TheBoy · « **Reply #29 on:** 10 October 2006, 08:49:42 »

You won't see any rust bubbles on my MV6 at Santa Pod

Coz I ain't bringing it

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