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[Varche]

Agreed, done and dusted. Thank god.


But wait it has to get through parliament.  Cannot see that happening.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Agreed, done and dusted. Thank god.


But wait it has to get through parliament.  Cannot see that happening.

Pretty sure it will get through parliament. As I said before the MP's are so jaded they will vote for just about anything now.

Does not seem like the cake and eat it brave new world deal we were promised. Compromise on compromise it seems to me.

[Varche]

Not just the MPs that are jaded. Most of the public too.

I noticed Sky started a new Brexit free news service last night on ch523.

Of course we now have another two years of trade agreement or lack of it to come.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Arlene says far cough, and probably rightly so.
ERG seem to have mixed feelings so far.
SNP wont vote for anything resembling Brexit.
Lib,undems wont vote for it as they want to stop Brexit.
Labour officially will vote against as Corbyn and his gang automatically vote against anything brought forward by the Tories.
Labour MP,s in leave constituencies are very nervous and quite a few will vote for it.
Expelled Tories may well vote for it, unless they are hardened Europhiles like traitor Grieve who wont accepting being told to leave by thick plebs like us.
I think it will be a tight vote and wouldn't like to predict the result, apart from, it wont be the complete humiliation that was inflicted on May.

Given the chance, I think the public would vote for it as they neither care, or in many cases understand about the integrity of the UK.
Me - I haven't seen the details yet so wont judge, but I suspect I wont like it.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Arlene says far cough, and probably rightly so.
ERG seem to have mixed feelings so far.
SNP wont vote for anything resembling Brexit.
Lib,undems wont vote for it as they want to stop Brexit.
Labour officially will vote against as Corbyn and his gang automatically vote against anything brought forward by the Tories.
Labour MP,s in leave constituencies are very nervous and quite a few will vote for it.
Expelled Tories may well vote for it, unless they are hardened Europhiles like traitor Grieve who wont accepting being told to leave by thick plebs like us.
I think it will be a tight vote and wouldn't like to predict the result, apart from, it wont be the complete humiliation that was inflicted on May.

Given the chance, I think the public would vote for it as they neither care, or in many cases understand about the integrity of the UK.
Me - I haven't seen the details yet so wont judge, but I suspect I wont like it.

Mr brexit himself, shouty Farage, thinks it's pants.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

He isn't often wrong.

[STEMO]

Boris is going to ask the EU to refuse a further extension, thus leaving the choice 'This deal or no deal'. I doubt very much whether they'll comply, but it would be nice if they did.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

It would indeed, but as you say, I cant see them going along with it. While they still have a remainer Parliament they wont give up hope of forcing us to stay in.

[STEMO]

If/when parliament reject this deal, I reckon it will strengthen Boris' hand in any future election.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Yep, it will very much strengthen his approach of "I tried my best to get a reasonable outcome, but Parliament stopped me".
Hard to see how he could lose an election, which is why Corbyn desperately doesn't want one. A week is a long time in politics though, so predictions are dangerous.
I find it slightly interesting that the DUP have said they wont support the deal, but haven't said they will vote against it. Im wondering if they will just abstain ?
The numbers will be tight whatever happens I think.

[STEMO]

Yep, it will very much strengthen his approach of "I tried my best to get a reasonable outcome, but Parliament stopped me".
Hard to see how he could lose an election, which is why Corbyn desperately doesn't want one. A week is a long time in politics though, so predictions are dangerous.
I find it slightly interesting that the DUP have said they wont support the deal, but haven't said they will vote against it. Im wondering if they will just abstain ?
The numbers will be tight whatever happens I think.

Commentators seem to be deducting the DUP's nine votes from the yes vote, but not adding it to the no vote. Abstention perhaps, but what's to be gained from that?

[Sir Tigger KC]

I suspect that Boris has merely polished May's turd a bit and things like continuing jurisdiction of the ECJ, the money, EU military, fishing rights, people from the EU having some kind of privileged super citizen status, the transition period, etc are still there. 

[Doctor Gollum]

Surely if Parliament won't sign it off, and the EU won't negotiate further, then an extension becomes a moot point and a no deal exit on 31st is the only (agreeable) solution 

Anything else is quite simply a waste of time and money...

[aaronjb]

Anything else is quite simply a waste of time and money...

That didn't stop them for the last 3 years..

[Sir Tigger KC]

Surely if Parliament won't sign it off, and the EU won't negotiate further, then an extension becomes a moot point and a no deal exit on 31st is the only (agreeable) solution 

Anything else is quite simply a waste of time and money...

Juncker has said there won't be another extension.... 

Depends if Parliament wants to play chicken or not! 

[Varche]

I suspect that Boris has merely polished May's turd a bit and things like continuing jurisdiction of the ECJ, the money, EU military, fishing rights, people from the EU having some kind of privileged super citizen status, the transition period, etc are still there. 

Absolutely spot on. What should happen now is a two hour programme on all the main channels on Friday night explaining in detail the whole deal. Then a two hour phone in with questions asked of the government negotiating team live.

Instead we will have endless speculation by the news pundits.

[STEMO]

It's getting quite interesting now. The Liberal Undemocrats will howl if they are actually faced with such a stark choice.
Meanwhile, anti brexit campaigner Jo Maugham QC has launched a legal bid in Scotland to stop Boris' deal as it is illegal with regards to NI.........apparently.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I suspect that Boris has merely polished May's turd a bit and things like continuing jurisdiction of the ECJ, the money, EU military, fishing rights, people from the EU having some kind of privileged super citizen status, the transition period, etc are still there. 

Yep......half in half out in many ways. Much like the time I lost my cherry.

[Nick W]

I suspect that Boris has merely polished May's turd a bit and things like continuing jurisdiction of the ECJ, the money, EU military, fishing rights, people from the EU having some kind of privileged super citizen status, the transition period, etc are still there. 

Boris couldn't negotiate money off the retail price of a sofa at DFS. In January......

[aaronjb]

Here you go, you can all put yourselves to sleep reading this: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/revised_withdrawal_agreement_including_protocol_on_ireland_and_nothern_ireland.pdf

[Sir Tigger KC]

According to Auntie Beeb there will be a fairly hard border down the Irish Sea, which will involve duty being paid by NI businesses buying goods from GB if it is deemed they are at risk of onward travel into the ROI.  If the goods stay in NI, then they can apply for a refund.. 

No wonder the DUP are pissed! 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50083026

[STEMO]

According to Auntie Beeb there will be a fairly hard border down the Irish Sea, which will involve duty being paid by NI businesses buying goods from GB if it is deemed they are at risk of onward travel into the ROI.  If the goods stay in NI, then they can apply for a refund.. 

No wonder the DUP are pissed! 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50083026

It really doesn't matter, Sir Tig, it will never get through parliament. No 'deal' will ever get through, leaving only remain or leave with no deal.
I'm past fickin caring. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

According to Auntie Beeb there will be a fairly hard border down the Irish Sea, which will involve duty being paid by NI businesses buying goods from GB if it is deemed they are at risk of onward travel into the ROI.  If the goods stay in NI, then they can apply for a refund.. 

No wonder the DUP are pissed! 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50083026

It really doesn't matter, Sir Tig, it will never get through parliament. No 'deal' will ever get through, leaving only remain or leave with no deal.
I'm past fickin caring. 

I think it will. Not because it is in any way a great deal but because people just want brexit done and dusted.

The initial expectations of a win win brexit were overblown, This is the reality. Of course Boris will say that we have crushed the EU into submission and we have been given everything we 'demanded'

[STEMO]

According to Auntie Beeb there will be a fairly hard border down the Irish Sea, which will involve duty being paid by NI businesses buying goods from GB if it is deemed they are at risk of onward travel into the ROI.  If the goods stay in NI, then they can apply for a refund.. 

No wonder the DUP are pissed! 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50083026

It really doesn't matter, Sir Tig, it will never get through parliament. No 'deal' will ever get through, leaving only remain or leave with no deal.
I'm past fickin caring. 

I think it will. Not because it is in any way a great deal but because people just want brexit done and dusted.

The initial expectations of a win win brexit were overblown, This is the reality. Of course Boris will say that we have crushed the EU into submission and we have been given everything we 'demanded'

Have you actually listened to any of the politicians on tv?

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

According to Auntie Beeb there will be a fairly hard border down the Irish Sea, which will involve duty being paid by NI businesses buying goods from GB if it is deemed they are at risk of onward travel into the ROI.  If the goods stay in NI, then they can apply for a refund.. 

No wonder the DUP are pissed! 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50083026

It really doesn't matter, Sir Tig, it will never get through parliament. No 'deal' will ever get through, leaving only remain or leave with no deal.
I'm past fickin caring. 

I think it will. Not because it is in any way a great deal but because people just want brexit done and dusted.

The initial expectations of a win win brexit were overblown, This is the reality. Of course Boris will say that we have crushed the EU into submission and we have been given everything we 'demanded'

Have you actually listened to any of the politicians on tv?

Constantly......excessively.

I'll bet my Signum against your house and your whippet (which I will sell to the local Chinese food outlet)

[STEMO]

According to Auntie Beeb there will be a fairly hard border down the Irish Sea, which will involve duty being paid by NI businesses buying goods from GB if it is deemed they are at risk of onward travel into the ROI.  If the goods stay in NI, then they can apply for a refund.. 

No wonder the DUP are pissed! 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50083026

It really doesn't matter, Sir Tig, it will never get through parliament. No 'deal' will ever get through, leaving only remain or leave with no deal.
I'm past fickin caring. 

I think it will. Not because it is in any way a great deal but because people just want brexit done and dusted.

The initial expectations of a win win brexit were overblown, This is the reality. Of course Boris will say that we have crushed the EU into submission and we have been given everything we 'demanded'

Have you actually listened to any of the politicians on tv?

Constantly......excessively.

I'll bet my Signum against your house and your whippet (which I will sell to the local Chinese food outlet)

Wow! You must be 1000% sure to put your classic sigmund up for grabs 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

According to Auntie Beeb there will be a fairly hard border down the Irish Sea, which will involve duty being paid by NI businesses buying goods from GB if it is deemed they are at risk of onward travel into the ROI.  If the goods stay in NI, then they can apply for a refund.. 

No wonder the DUP are pissed! 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50083026

It really doesn't matter, Sir Tig, it will never get through parliament. No 'deal' will ever get through, leaving only remain or leave with no deal.
I'm past fickin caring. 

I think it will. Not because it is in any way a great deal but because people just want brexit done and dusted.

The initial expectations of a win win brexit were overblown, This is the reality. Of course Boris will say that we have crushed the EU into submission and we have been given everything we 'demanded'

Have you actually listened to any of the politicians on tv?

Constantly......excessively.

I'll bet my Signum against your house and your whippet (which I will sell to the local Chinese food outlet)

Wow! You must be 1000% sure to put your classic sigmund up for grabs 

Yep......it's an appreciating classic but I'm willing to to take the risk.

[TheBoy]

I'm past fickin caring. 

I was at that point about the time you personally left the EU

[Raeturbo]

I still think we’re better off coming out without a deal.. and I doubt they’ll vote for this crap deal Boris has conjured up.