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[Migalot]

Used to like him as he was good driver and made it to the top through hard work.

Now he's joined the BLM (Marxist, anti-free market, anti-police) march and, allegedly, will 'take the knee' at the first GP in Austria.

No longer a supporter of his, I'm afraid.

Politics and sport do not mix.

Looks like it will be a summer without football and F1 for me.

[Doctor Gollum]

You've managed the last four months... Should be just fine without 

[Migalot]

You've managed the last four months... Should be just fine without 

True!

I also just read about that Babba Wallace NASCAR incident. I appears that the so-called "noose" is very likely to have just been a door pull for the pit bay...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/23/fake-noose-the-nascar-bubba-wallace-rope-noose-was-a-purposeful-hoax/

It's all getting beyond the pale for me. 

[TheBoy]

BLM

Turns out that White Lives don't Matter.

Silly me, I though all lives mattered, but no, with the current hysteria, only BLM

[TheBoy]

will 'take the knee'

Didn't he do that in front of Ronaldo 2 or 3 years back, when he fancied a Portugese Sausage?

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Im still willing to give Hamilton the benefit of the doubt. He is naive and may well be badly advised or influenced. I believe though that he means well and has good intentions. He has some growing up to do, and a lot to learn, but Im convinced he is a decent bloke with a good heart.
Also, probably the best driver I have ever seen.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

BLM

Turns out that White Lives don't Matter.

Silly me, I though all lives mattered, but no, with the current hysteria, only BLM

Yep.....because some people are likely to be charged for saying they do.

[STEMO]

BLM

Turns out that White Lives don't Matter.

Silly me, I though all lives mattered, but no, with the current hysteria, only BLM

Yep.....because some people are likely to be charged for saying they do.

How much?

[TheBoy]

Im still willing to give Hamilton the benefit of the doubt. He is naive and may well be badly advised or influenced. I believe though that he means well and has good intentions. He has some growing up to do, and a lot to learn, but Im convinced he is a decent bloke with a good heart.
Also, probably the best driver I have ever seen.

He's 35 years old.  So he is either very stupid or very arrogant.

I know what I think.

Granted, he's a pretty decent driver (in an era when most of the drivers are a bunch of poofs), but he always has been a 1st class prick.

[jimbobmccoy]

Used to like him as he was good driver and made it to the top through hard work.

Now he's joined the BLM (Marxist, anti-free market, anti-police) march and, allegedly, will 'take the knee' at the first GP in Austria.

No longer a supporter of his, I'm afraid.

Politics and sport do not mix.

Looks like it will be a summer without football and F1 for me.

I’m a little confused - did you like him as a person, or did you like him as a racer?

I’m not sure how recognising someone’s talent and liking them within their profession as a result of that talent is impacted by their support of BLM.

Are you saying you no longer like him as a racer?
That’s a bit like saying you no longer like an actor you previously did because you found out they voted for a particular party last election, or you won’t support your favourite footballer as they come out as gay.

The fact you’re prepared to stop your support of a racer over this kind of speaks to the problem.

Unless you meant you liked him as a person and now you don’t, in which case why bring his achievements as a racer in to it?

His support of BLM does nothing to change the criteria you state you previously judged him on, perhaps, it’s something else......

[Migalot]

Used to like him as he was good driver and made it to the top through hard work.

Now he's joined the BLM (Marxist, anti-free market, anti-police) march and, allegedly, will 'take the knee' at the first GP in Austria.

No longer a supporter of his, I'm afraid.

Politics and sport do not mix.

Looks like it will be a summer without football and F1 for me.

I’m a little confused - did you like him as a person, or did you like him as a racer?

I’m not sure how recognising someone’s talent and liking them within their profession as a result of that talent is impacted by their support of BLM.

Are you saying you no longer like him as a racer?
That’s a bit like saying you no longer like an actor you previously did because you found out they voted for a particular party last election, or you won’t support your favourite footballer as they come out as gay.

The fact you’re prepared to stop your support of a racer over this kind of speaks to the problem.

Unless you meant you liked him as a person and now you don’t, in which case why bring his achievements as a racer in to it?

His support of BLM does nothing to change the criteria you state you previously judged him on, perhaps, it’s something else......

I "like" all sorts of sportstars, film stars or other celebrities for their professional ability. However, as soon as they use fame to drive their political views, I just get turned off. Granted, they may be still be good at what they do, like Hamilton, but once they start spouting off, I find it hard to support them.

It's just the way I am, I guess.

[jimbobmccoy]

BLM

Turns out that White Lives don't Matter.

Silly me, I though all lives mattered, but no, with the current hysteria, only BLM

I think that’s a key point - the current hysteria. I’d suggest that’s being generated in large parts by those completely neutral people with no ulterior interests - MSM.

If you speak to anyone reasonable on the blm side of the fence they’re quite clear that they’re not saying other lives don’t matter, rather, that they feel there is an assumed security, safety, privilege, value or general ‘mattering’ that other lives may have or have had historically, and they want black lives to matter the same way, or have the same.

I don’t think they’re saying this is only restricted to black lives - you can look at no blacks no Irish as an example of how those lives mattered less, but they have chosen to organise and say their lives matter just as much as everyone else’s.

A lot of people wouldn’t argue that, and in general life behave in a way that means the difference doesn’t exist for them, which makes it a bit of an Afront when they feel lumped in with idiots like the edl, and political correctness/positive discrimination hasn’t really helped, but I would hope that the same people can see there are issues still, and they should change.

Some of those issues affect more than just black people, such as police brutality in America (where it takes place) but blm isn’t saying that it doesn’t exist or shouldn’t be changed all round, it’s just them calling out what affects them and asking for change.

[jimbobmccoy]

Used to like him as he was good driver and made it to the top through hard work.

Now he's joined the BLM (Marxist, anti-free market, anti-police) march and, allegedly, will 'take the knee' at the first GP in Austria.

No longer a supporter of his, I'm afraid.

Politics and sport do not mix.

Looks like it will be a summer without football and F1 for me.

I’m a little confused - did you like him as a person, or did you like him as a racer?

I’m not sure how recognising someone’s talent and liking them within their profession as a result of that talent is impacted by their support of BLM.

Are you saying you no longer like him as a racer?
That’s a bit like saying you no longer like an actor you previously did because you found out they voted for a particular party last election, or you won’t support your favourite footballer as they come out as gay.

The fact you’re prepared to stop your support of a racer over this kind of speaks to the problem.

Unless you meant you liked him as a person and now you don’t, in which case why bring his achievements as a racer in to it?

His support of BLM does nothing to change the criteria you state you previously judged him on, perhaps, it’s something else......

I "like" all sorts of sportstars, film stars or other celebrities for their professional ability. However, as soon as they use fame to drive their political views, I just get turned off. Granted, they may be still be good at what they do, like Hamilton, but once they start spouting off, I find it hard to support them.

It's just the way I am, I guess.

They’re using their position of power/influence/privilege to push their agenda. No different to all the figures historically that have done the same to push their agenda of the time. An agenda that at times has created some of the issues BLM is raising and pushing back against.

It’s human nature to do that, just as it’s human nature to feel threatened and resist and not like change that is perceived as a threat to their position, especially if it means a worsening of their position - it’s why a lot of us feel uneasy about the current situation without really understanding why or while feeling they aren’t saying black lives don’t matter.

If you like someone for a specific reason - in this case their driving - then just ignore the rest and continue to enjoy their talent.

If no one spoke out politically or used their position to achieve change, where would we all be?

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Im still willing to give Hamilton the benefit of the doubt. He is naive and may well be badly advised or influenced. I believe though that he means well and has good intentions. He has some growing up to do, and a lot to learn, but Im convinced he is a decent bloke with a good heart.
Also, probably the best driver I have ever seen.

He's 35 years old.  So he is either very stupid or very arrogant.

I know what I think.

Granted, he's a pretty decent driver (in an era when most of the drivers are a bunch of poofs), but he always has been a 1st class prick.

I think he is immature. His father was a svangali type character who organised his every move until Ron Dennis took him over and continued the process. He only started to have his own thoughts and opinions when he sacked his Dad and then left McClaren.
So I think he started his adolescence about 15 years later than most other people.
What his Father did was very admirable in many respects and certainly brought success, but there was probably a price to pay in his development.
As I said, he has a lot to learn, but also he is from the current generation, who thanks to their education and the media, see the world in a very different way to previous generations.
I see it to a degree with my own kids, and its a worry, but what can you do ?

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I dont imagine Hamilton sees it as particularly political. He has suffered racism himself. I well remember Spanish fans doing monkey chants at him and throwing bananas from the stands. He probably sees it in simple terms - stopping this kind of thing from happening because its wrong.
I very much doubt he is politically aware enough to know that UK BLM is actually the usual rent a mob who are also Momentum, bash the rich, climate emargency activists, ban fracking, abolish nuclear energy etc. etc...who actually want to overthrow capitalism, abolish the police, pull down prisons and enforce their Marxist "utopia" upon the western world.
I mean, if he lectures us on racist history while wearing a Mercedes cap, he couldnt possibly be.
I think he wants to use his position to try and do some good, but he really needs to be careful and seek better advice.

[Doctor Gollum]

As long as people allow themselves, or actively choose to be categorised by the colour of their skin, then they will always be underrepresented in society as a whole.

If a person choses to be defined by the colour of their skin, then that's on them. And nothing anyone says or does is likely to positively influence any misunderstanding around that.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Hard to take that view though when people are doing monkey chants at you, and throwing bananas, because of the colour of your skin.

[STEMO]

As long as people allow themselves, or actively choose to be categorised by the colour of their skin, then they will always be underrepresented in society as a whole.

If a person choses to be defined by the colour of their skin, then that's on them. And nothing anyone says or does is likely to positively influence any misunderstanding around that.

Hmmmm...that's one point of view, I suppose. But, coming from someone who's never had to give the colour of their skin a second thought, it's maybe a one sided point of view. Even if a person decides not to be defined by the colour of their skin, their going to be pretty disappointed if everyone else defines them that way.

[Migalot]

Hard to take that view though when people are doing monkey chants at you, and throwing bananas, because of the colour of your skin.

Remember, though, that was in Spain. Here in the UK we have, until now I suspect, had the best record of race relations anywhere in Europe. So, when BLM march through London and try to trash statues and monuments, they are setting race relations back by a generation at least, IMHO.

I would respect Hamilton far more if he kept his mouth shut about statues and instead pushed the fact that, here in the UK, he was able to rise to the top – a trailblazer if you will...

...and as commented elsewhere, the fact that he drives a Mercedes and advertises Hugo Boss, yet has not criticised them so far, creates an air of hypocrisy.

   

[Doctor Gollum]

As long as people allow themselves, or actively choose to be categorised by the colour of their skin, then they will always be underrepresented in society as a whole.

If a person choses to be defined by the colour of their skin, then that's on them. And nothing anyone says or does is likely to positively influence any misunderstanding around that.

Hmmmm...that's one point of view, I suppose. But, coming from someone who's never had to give the colour of their skin a second thought, it's maybe a one sided point of view. Even if a person decides not to be defined by the colour of their skin, their going to be pretty disappointed if everyone else defines them that way.

That's my point, it only matters if that's how society defines people. Don't forget, the African tribes were just as happy to sell slaves to the traders as the land owners were to buy them.

Individually, how you are perceived is defined entirely by how you project yourself. That is a universal truth, that only the individual has any control over, afterall, you become who you hang around with.

[Doctor Gollum]

For example, if Lewis said nothing, and became known for actively doing charity work, then he would be genuinely present as a talented driver who was also actually a decent chap.

Instead, inspite of being talented, he presents as a bit of a knob.

[jimbobmccoy]

As long as people allow themselves, or actively choose to be categorised by the colour of their skin, then they will always be underrepresented in society as a whole.

If a person choses to be defined by the colour of their skin, then that's on them. And nothing anyone says or does is likely to positively influence any misunderstanding around that.

Hmmmm...that's one point of view, I suppose. But, coming from someone who's never had to give the colour of their skin a second thought, it's maybe a one sided point of view. Even if a person decides not to be defined by the colour of their skin, their going to be pretty disappointed if everyone else defines them that way.

Hmmmm...that's one point of view, I suppose. But, coming from someone who's never had to give the colour of their skin a second thought, it's maybe a one sided point of view. Even if a person decides not to be defined by the colour of their skin, their going to be pretty disappointed if everyone else defines them that way.
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This is nail meeting head. Not always, but a lot of the time, a white life will not have ever given their colour of skin a second thought. The reasons behind this would be what is referred to as white privelege. A lot of black people will have given their colour of skin a second thought, and not because they chose to be defined by it, but because of something else in society that causes them to. The point of BLM is to bring about change so that they don’t have to, in the same way a white person wouldnt have to. It’s not make white lives mean less, it’s make black lives mean the same, and if a person thinks that BLM is going to make a white life mean less by either bringing the two closer, or some other way, that should only serve to illustrate the point, not set you against it.

What Hamilton is doing - really, it’s no different to a tv personality hearing about a friends 2 year old kid who is going to die if they don’t get a heart transplant and then using their platform to ask people to be tested for comparability, draw attention to related charities, etc. Would it stop me watching their program if I enjoyed it, no, of course not.

The overall issue is much too big to ever be solved within the next few years, but everything starts somewhere.

I’d also argue, if someone famous stood up and started spouting off about views or a cause you agreed with or supported or matched your views, it wouldn’t turn you off them, it’d probably make you like then more and so I’d say feeling uncomfortable or having the reaction you’ve (the op) had to Hamilton says something too.

[jimbobmccoy]

Hard to take that view though when people are doing monkey chants at you, and throwing bananas, because of the colour of your skin.

Remember, though, that was in Spain. Here in the UK we have, until now I suspect, had the best record of race relations anywhere in Europe. So, when BLM march through London and try to trash statues and monuments, they are setting race relations back by a generation at least, IMHO.

I would respect Hamilton far more if he kept his mouth shut about statues and instead pushed the fact that, here in the UK, he was able to rise to the top – a trailblazer if you will...

...and as commented elsewhere, the fact that he drives a Mercedes and advertises Hugo Boss, yet has not criticised them so far, creates an air of hypocrisy.

   

The fact it’s even a point, that he was able to rise to the top, or was a trailblazer, even in the UK is a problem in itself.
You qualify his achievements in part at least because of his skin colour, and you would not do this or think like this If he were white.

He should quietly try to help rather than draw attention to things, however much of a hamfisted job he does of it, is why people are making so much noise about it - because every other avenue has failed to work, and to go quietly in to the night would achieve what exactly.

Like it or not his actions have got a group of people discussing the topic, thinking about it’s issues, right here - he has achieved in part what he set out to do, which suggests it may have been the right approach, or at least A right approach.

As for people allowing themselves to be defined by their colour or choosing to be defined by it - I’m not sure Hamilton has, he’s just gone out and pursued his goals. He’s probably found it harder than some because of his colour and. Is he’s in a position to do so he is speaking out about it, but really, he should just go and do some charity work quietly?

[Doctor Gollum]

You can raise awareness without blindly joining bandwagons because it makes you look cool on instagram.

You can't choose to be black/yellow/irish, but you can choose how you want to deal with it.

For example, I don't choose to have white privilege, there is nothing I can do to alter the irrefutable fact that my parents were white. By the same definition, I have zero idea what it is like to have mixed race or immigrant parents. From a statistical minority standpoint, it is all too easy to play the victim card, but why would anyone voluntarily define themselves that way?

You enter the world with nothing but the skin you're born in. Everything that happens after that is up to you.

So to define yourself by something you have no control over is insane.

[STEMO]

No ethnic minority, anywhere in the world, is going to end up having equal rights with the indigenous population. Fact.
In law, yes. In practice, no.

[Doctor Gollum]

No ethnic minority, anywhere in the world, is going to end up having equal rights with the indigenous population. Fact.
In law, yes. In practice, no.

Remove the definition and there is no argument.

Everybody is equal.

What i don't understand is how that is so difficult a concept to grasp. 

[jimbobmccoy]

You can raise awareness without blindly joining bandwagons because it makes you look cool on instagram.

You can't choose to be black/yellow/irish, but you can choose how you want to deal with it.

For example, I don't choose to have white privilege, there is nothing I can do to alter the irrefutable fact that my parents were white. By the same definition, I have zero idea what it is like to have mixed race or immigrant parents. From a statistical minority standpoint, it is all too easy to play the victim card, but why would anyone voluntarily define themselves that way?

You enter the world with nothing but the skin you're born in. Everything that happens after that is up to you.

So to define yourself by something you have no control over is insane.

I think part of the point is that everything that happens after a black person is born isn’t up to them due to the white privilege that exists and limits them. To achieve the same as an equivalent white person, a black person will likely need to do more.
It’s not about playing the victim card, and it’s not about what the media portrays, it’s about black people doing what you suggest - trying to make it up to them and change things so it doesn’t matter if you’re born black or white, life offers the same hand (other factors being excluded).

That they haven’t got any control over some of it is part of the problem, and what they are trying to get now.

I agree that people jumping in the bandwagon, people twisting things, or riding the cost tails with their own agenda, doesn’t help, but that’s par for the course with any sort of public movement or outcry, but if you support change you can see through that easy enough.

People didn’t choose to be born black, and they are choosing how they want to deal with that - by trying to change the status quo. It’s on them to do so in an effective way, including distancing themselves from subversive protestors and bandwagoning celebs, but again, I don’t know why any of what has been discussed would make me stop watching f1 or thinking/liking a driver because they’re good.

[jimbobmccoy]

No ethnic minority, anywhere in the world, is going to end up having equal rights with the indigenous population. Fact.
In law, yes. In practice, no.

But a fourth generation black person who’s family has contributed as much to the crown as a 4th generation white immigrant should be equal in law and in practice. They are as indigenous as anyone else in the country at that point.

That they aren’t is purely based on skin colour, which is where the problem lies. Comparing an indigenous population solely in skin colour is to ignore a lot of British heritage.

The example 4th generation black person shouldn’t be classified as a minority, or BAME. They’re just British, like you, or me, or anyone similar.

While that distinction exists, the problem exists (which I think is part of what DG alluded to?)

[Doctor Gollum]

If your skin colour statistically places you within a 14% proportion of the national population, you can't change that fact, but you can effect how you deal with it. If it's actually important. Which it shouldn't be. On any level.

Of course, that's easy to say, because apparently something called 'white privilege' makes me racist because I happen to statistically belong to the same box as 82% of the rest of the population.

The issue with sports people and actors etc is that we respect and look up to them for what they do, but then, because we feel that we know them (because we devote hours of our free time supporting them through the trials and tribulations of their careers) it comes as a disappointment that they don't think or act in a way that we agree with. This is simply because you become defined by the people you choose to spend time with, and if someone you think you know, says/does something that doesn't fit, it's difficult not to become conflicted.

Think how you felt at school when the new kid you got on really well with couldn't stand your best mate...

[STEMO]

No ethnic minority, anywhere in the world, is going to end up having equal rights with the indigenous population. Fact.
In law, yes. In practice, no.

But a fourth generation black person who’s family has contributed as much to the crown as a 4th generation white immigrant should be equal in law and in practice. They are as indigenous as anyone else in the country at that point.

That they aren’t is purely based on skin colour, which is where the problem lies. Comparing an indigenous population solely in skin colour is to ignore a lot of British heritage.

The example 4th generation black person shouldn’t be classified as a minority, or BAME. They’re just British, like you, or me, or anyone similar.

While that distinction exists, the problem exists (which I think is part of what DG alluded to?)

Possibly, but I didn't go into ethics or fairness, I stated a fact. You use words like 'should' and 'shouldn't', but a lot of things that should and shouldn't happen do happen.
I am not getting involved in the rights and wrongs, even though I hear a few people say that makes me racist. The fact that I'm not interested enough makes me racist, apparently. Like I said, I really don't care, I'm busy. 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

For example, if Lewis said nothing, and became known for actively doing charity work, then he would be genuinely present as a talented driver who was also actually a decent chap.

Instead, inspite of being talented, he presents as a bit of a knob.

He has done that too. He has always helped various charities, but has now set up a foundation to help advance diversity in the F1 industry.
This goes against my natural grain, because I dont tend to believe in positive discrimination. However, when he says that he is almost the only non white face in an industry of many thousands of people, I can sort of see where he is coming from.

[Migalot]

However, when he says that he is almost the only non white face in an industry of many thousands of people, I can sort of see where he is coming from.

Historically, race fans have tended to come from the white community. Hamilton showed that, if you have talent, then it doesn't matter what colour you are. So, if a black driver (like Bubba Wallace in Nascar) shows talent, then colour is no block to reaching the top tier. HOWEVER, the fact that there are few blacks, relatively, in F1 and racing in general, does not reflect racism, merely the fact that the sport does not have a widespread black fan base such as football, basketball, boxing, athletics etc. The problem is that Hamilton is trying to equate a perceived lack of black participation in motor sports as discriminatory – which it clearly isn't.   

[Doctor Gollum]

Statistically, he fairly represents the proportion along with the Indian chap, Sutil?

If you want to play the diversity card, then there should be significantly more women on the grid... But don't let's confuse genuine equality with minority equality. 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

However, when he says that he is almost the only non white face in an industry of many thousands of people, I can sort of see where he is coming from.

Historically, race fans have tended to come from the white community. Hamilton showed that, if you have talent, then it doesn't matter what colour you are. So, if a black driver (like Bubba Wallace in Nascar) shows talent, then colour is no block to reaching the top tier. HOWEVER, the fact that there are few blacks, relatively, in F1 and racing in general, does not reflect racism, merely the fact that the sport does not have a widespread black fan base such as football, basketball, boxing, athletics etc. The problem is that Hamilton is trying to equate a perceived lack of black participation in motor sports as discriminatory – which it clearly isn't.   

Historically yes, but Im sure there are now millions of black fans due to Hamilton. Dont forget he is much more of a popular, iconic figure globally than he is in his own country, which I find pretty strange tbh.
The question has to be asked, if a white British driver achieved what he achieved how popular would he be ?
Im not sure its about his personality, as the only personality trait Schumcher ever displayed was undisguised arrogance oozing from every pore, yet he seemed very popular in the UK. Although I never understood that either.

[Doctor Gollum]

That's a bit like saying white people only listen to Reggae because of UB40... 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Sorry... 

[Doctor Gollum]

Sorry... 

Well, it can't all be his fault, because I'm pretty sure that whatever it is is all my fault.

[dave the builder]

Sorry... 

Well, it can't all be his fault, because I'm pretty sure that whatever it is is all my fault.

no DG
i'm Spartacus 
 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Sorry... 

May I take this opportunity to apologise for being born white. I deserve to be strung up by my balls.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Sorry... 

May I take this opportunity to apologise for being born white. I deserve to be strung up by my balls.

You deserve to be strung up by your balls for your miss deeds, not because of the colour of your skin! 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Sorry... 

May I take this opportunity to apologise for being born white. I deserve to be strung up by my balls.

You deserve to be strung up by your balls for your miss deeds, not because of the colour of your skin! 

I can name several members of the opposite sex who will agree with you.

[Doctor Gollum]

I'm sure Miss Deeds will gladly oblige. For a fee

[Raeturbo]

Ha ha that’s great

[Migalot]

Reading comments on the web, it seems Hamilton has dug himself into a deep hole and keeps digging.

He has really pi**ed off a lot of his fans with his virtue signalling. 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Unfortunately, I have to agree with that. He is either extremely naive or the worng people are whispering in his ear.
I think Niki Lauda would have brought his feet back to planet earth if he was still around.

[Rangie]

I feel very sorry for him he's hardly had a good stab at life not been given any opportunities 😄😀😃

[Raeturbo]

Yeah

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

He hasnt been given anything. Sheer hard graft by him and his father, and huge natural talent is what has got him where he is.

[Doctor Gollum]

Exactly. 4th

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Likely to become the most succesful driver in history by the end of the season. 
I felt his penalty was harsh and probably undeserved yesterday, but having said that, I suspect he has ben slightly distracted over the weekend by the whole BLM quagmire he has ended up in.

[Doctor Gollum]

His second penalty was lenient considering it cost Albon points. All he had to do was lift off and keep a touch right, but instead he let the car run wide.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

He was on full lock and had nowhere to go. Had he braked, he would have understeered further to the left and hit Albon harder, or earlier.
I like Albon, seems a nice lad and a pretty decent driver. He used to live a couple of villages away from here. I think he needs to learn a litle more patience and racecraft though.
Interesting to see that Ferrari are apparently losing 0.75 seconds per lap due to a lack of engine power. I assume they are running a legal car at the moment then. 

I dont know if this article can be read without a subscription, but it is Hamilton, in his own words talking about the"taking the knee" etc. this weekend, rather than the sensational newspaper headlines. He didnt even ask anyone to do it. It was Vettel and Grosjean talking at the drivers meeting who asked the other drivers to do it.
He also states that anyone who does it should not do it during a national anthem, which I think is very important indeed.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/150369/hamilton-didnt-request-drivers-to-take-a-knee

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Likely to become the most succesful driver in history by the end of the season. 
I felt his penalty was harsh and probably undeserved yesterday, but having said that, I suspect he has ben slightly distracted over the weekend by the whole BLM quagmire he has ended up in.

He got the penalty because he is black. A white driver would have got away with it.......

[BazaJT]

Schumacher used to get away with worse.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Schumacher used to get away with cheating and dangerous driving almost every race.

fixed.