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Title: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Varche on 21 September 2018, 13:33:45
Hasn't happened yet but after yesterdays goings on I suspect it is her resignation speech.

What next for Brexit?

 Exit with no deal which was probably realistically what both sides thought the outcome would be two years ago.

Or

some sort of limbo, extended timescale to allow more useless negotiations until the vote somehow gets overturned.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: STEMO on 21 September 2018, 14:10:04
Resignation speech? Do you promise?  :)
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Entwood on 21 September 2018, 14:21:32
For those who want Mrs May to go, and those who want Brexit abandoned (against the wishes of the UK population) ... a simple question .....  :)

Do you honestly, and truly, really think the EU will simply allow us to revoke article 50 and carry on as if nothing had ever happened ??? If you do you live in a dream world ...

The EU will punish us as much as they can for even trying to leave, with "fees" to cover the expenses incurred, an a complete change of the way we are allowed to vote. They will rub their hands with glee and inflict as much harm on the economy as possible .. especially where they have changed rules already to restrict our access to things like banking, technology, etc ... to "rejoin" will cost ... big time .... they will ensure it .....
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: zirk on 21 September 2018, 14:36:56
Doesnt really matter whether your a Leaver or Remainer, point being unless some useable agreement happens very soon. we'll end end up with a No Deal Status, if and when that happens thats when the Shite will hit the Fan and our Pockets.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: STEMO on 21 September 2018, 14:39:34
For those who want Mrs May to go, and those who want Brexit abandoned (against the wishes of the UK population) ... a simple question .....  :)

Do you honestly, and truly, really think the EU will simply allow us to revoke article 50 and carry on as if nothing had ever happened ??? If you do you live in a dream world ...

The EU will punish us as much as they can for even trying to leave, with "fees" to cover the expenses incurred, an a complete change of the way we are allowed to vote. They will rub their hands with glee and inflict as much harm on the economy as possible .. especially where they have changed rules already to restrict our access to things like banking, technology, etc ... to "rejoin" will cost ... big time .... they will ensure it .....
Wanting mother Theresa to go has nothing to do with abandoning brexit, more a case of making sure it happens with a clean break.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Entwood on 21 September 2018, 14:44:36
Interesting comparing the last two posts ....

1. No deal .. ie clean break ... is the end of the world ......

2. Clean break .. ie no deal ... is the only solution ....

so just where does "compromise" and "negotiation" fit into those views ??

The EU have been "demanding" ... "what does UK want" throughout .. and saying "no" when told .... without ever putting forward workable ideas of their own .. just how is that "negotiation" ???

Time is now for UK to do what Mrs May appears to be doing .. saying .. compromise or we will leave without your say so. ... if only some of her own party had her guts !!
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: STEMO on 21 September 2018, 15:03:12
In my view, clean break, no deal, whatever you want to call it, will be hard for a while (a while is not very descriptive, but it's all I've got) but we will slowly be able to find our place in the world as ourselves, not as a member of some club run by faceless elites in another country.

Of course, it could all go wrong, but that will be because of decisions that we take, not decisions that others take for us.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Varche on 21 September 2018, 15:13:46
For those who want Mrs May to go, and those who want Brexit abandoned (against the wishes of the UK population) ... a simple question .....  :)

Do you honestly, and truly, really think the EU will simply allow us to revoke article 50 and carry on as if nothing had ever happened ??? If you do you live in a dream world ...

The EU will punish us as much as they can for even trying to leave, with "fees" to cover the expenses incurred, an a complete change of the way we are allowed to vote. They will rub their hands with glee and inflict as much harm on the economy as possible .. especially where they have changed rules already to restrict our access to things like banking, technology, etc ... to "rejoin" will cost ... big time .... they will ensure it .....

Agree wholeheartedly. With something like this we (Britain) have shown our hand. You cannot "unshow" it. I think one of the main terms for any rejoining deal would be taking the Euro. It has been spelt out often enough that new joining countries have to do that.

It will be interesting to see what if any alternative the EU offer. Probably Norway model
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: aaronjb on 21 September 2018, 15:16:22
Probably Norway model

If we can adopt their standard of life, that's fine by me. I doubt the taxation levels on alcohol would go down very well with the rest of the population, though.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Viral_Jim on 21 September 2018, 15:28:28
Probably Norway model

If we can adopt their standard of life, that's fine by me. I doubt the taxation levels on alcohol would go down very well with the rest of the population, though.

Agreed, sadly we'd need a stonking great sovereign wealth fund to bankroll it up though.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 21 September 2018, 15:32:01
I'm surprised that people are surprised that the EU hasn't dropped it's knees and begged us to stay at any cost.

It is 27.......we are 1. The one that decided to leave.

The EU should and will protect the interests the 27. We must do our best to look after our own interests and not expect the EU to help us.

We no longer wish to be part of 'Club EU'.......they are only interested in EU members.



 
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: tigers_gonads on 21 September 2018, 15:35:52
For those who want Mrs May to go, and those who want Brexit abandoned (against the wishes of the UK population) ... a simple question .....  :)

Do you honestly, and truly, really think the EU will simply allow us to revoke article 50 and carry on as if nothing had ever happened ??? If you do you live in a dream world ...

The EU will punish us as much as they can for even trying to leave, with "fees" to cover the expenses incurred, an a complete change of the way we are allowed to vote. They will rub their hands with glee and inflict as much harm on the economy as possible .. especially where they have changed rules already to restrict our access to things like banking, technology, etc ... to "rejoin" will cost ... big time .... they will ensure it .....




I don't remember who it was exactly but quite a few years ago, some EU representative laughed at the UK and stated that we was nothing more then a nation of corner shop keepers  >:(

The EU is in affect 2 countries ............... The New United Germany and France and believe me, its Germany that wears the trousers in that relationship.

With the exception of the UK, every other member is there to contribute to the "fund" and out of that, they get the feeling that they are a part of this wonderful club and it gives them a warm feeling in the crutch.


I've often asked myself what do the EU want us in there little club for ?

Imo, its for the London financial centre and to bail them out of the shit if the bullets start flying and nothing else.
Take away that and we have very little they want anymore.
These isles used to have a wealth of expertise and experience in pretty much everything.

Over the last 40 years, all these expertise have either oppsed off to the United States were the money for research is OR been swallowed up by European companies who now own those brains  >:(

For me, the EU have never had any intentions of any deal unless it totally destroys the UK as a world influence.
Bitterness for these isles because we once ruled most of the planet many many years ago is pathetic.
Does Spain or Portugal get the same ?
No because they keep there mouths shut and toe the line  :(
France is up Germanys arse anyway so there past exploites abroad is conveniently forgotten.

For me, brexit was about taking control of our Isles back from bussells.
You cannot have a democracy if you cannot debate and make your own laws without outside influence.

There should never have been any negocations at all imo because we could never expect them to play fair.
After the vote, the UK we should have sat down and decieded what exactly we are going to be in March 2019 and then told the EU our terms and left them to squabble amongst themselfes.






Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 21 September 2018, 15:39:51
I think the " they sell more to us than we sell to them" card was overplayed.

The "They need us more than we need them" card doesn't seem quite as powerful as perhaps we imagined.

Personally I would prefer us to leave with no deal and some dignity rather than the 'not really leaving at all' Chequers plan, like a dog with it's tail between it's legs.



Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Omegatoy on 21 September 2018, 15:51:02
quite simply bullying us, because if we succeed as we will, waiting in the wings to exit are swedes,italy and a few more who are fed up with it,
E.U  is a great idea, but run by complete f ecking idiots who can see no further tha the depth of their own pockets!
especially french t ossers,every 4 weeks a few billion goes on transport to move the whole lot to france every other country has voted to stop it as a waste of resources but the french veto the vote everytime,
its all the little interferences that ordinary people hate,until its sorted eu is going to be a wasteful.bloated laughable cok up with idiots spending millions without a second thought,breaks sake look at kinnock,did nothing for this country now a multi millionaire as he is an mep along with his mrs,and many others including bliar and the list goes on and on
enough! lets get out
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Shackeng on 21 September 2018, 16:49:07
Whatever your views about Brexit, the behaviour of the bureaucrats, Barnier, Tusk, Juncker et al, since the referendum demonstrates exactly why we should leave. >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: ronnyd on 21 September 2018, 18:42:32
For those who want Mrs May to go, and those who want Brexit abandoned (against the wishes of the UK population) ... a simple question .....  :)

Do you honestly, and truly, really think the EU will simply allow us to revoke article 50 and carry on as if nothing had ever happened ??? If you do you live in a dream world ...

The EU will punish us as much as they can for even trying to leave, with "fees" to cover the expenses incurred, an a complete change of the way we are allowed to vote. They will rub their hands with glee and inflict as much harm on the economy as possible .. especially where they have changed rules already to restrict our access to things like banking, technology, etc ... to "rejoin" will cost ... big time .... they will ensure it .....




I don't remember who it was exactly but quite a few years ago, some EU representative laughed at the UK and stated that we was nothing more then a nation of corner shop keepers  >:(

The EU is in affect 2 countries ............... The New United Germany and France and believe me, its Germany that wears the trousers in that relationship.

With the exception of the UK, every other member is there to contribute to the "fund" and out of that, they get the feeling that they are a part of this wonderful club and it gives them a warm feeling in the crutch.


I've often asked myself what do the EU want us in there little club for ?

Imo, its for the London financial centre and to bail them out of the shit if the bullets start flying and nothing else.
Take away that and we have very little they want anymore.
These isles used to have a wealth of expertise and experience in pretty much everything.

Over the last 40 years, all these expertise have either oppsed off to the United States were the money for research is OR been swallowed up by European companies who now own those brains  >:(

For me, the EU have never had any intentions of any deal unless it totally destroys the UK as a world influence.
Bitterness for these isles because we once ruled most of the planet many many years ago is pathetic.
Does Spain or Portugal get the same ?
No because they keep there mouths shut and toe the line  :(
France is up Germanys arse anyway so there past exploites abroad is conveniently forgotten.

For me, brexit was about taking control of our Isles back from bussells.
You cannot have a democracy if you cannot debate and make your own laws without outside influence.

There should never have been any negocations at all imo because we could never expect them to play fair.
After the vote, the UK we should have sat down and decieded what exactly we are going to be in March 2019 and then told the EU our terms and left them to squabble amongst themselfes.







Charles De Gaulle?
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 21 September 2018, 18:51:34
For those who want Mrs May to go, and those who want Brexit abandoned (against the wishes of the UK population) ... a simple question .....  :)

Do you honestly, and truly, really think the EU will simply allow us to revoke article 50 and carry on as if nothing had ever happened ??? If you do you live in a dream world ...

The EU will punish us as much as they can for even trying to leave, with "fees" to cover the expenses incurred, an a complete change of the way we are allowed to vote. They will rub their hands with glee and inflict as much harm on the economy as possible .. especially where they have changed rules already to restrict our access to things like banking, technology, etc ... to "rejoin" will cost ... big time .... they will ensure it .....




I don't remember who it was exactly but quite a few years ago, some EU representative laughed at the UK and stated that we was nothing more then a nation of corner shop keepers  >:(

The EU is in affect 2 countries ............... The New United Germany and France and believe me, its Germany that wears the trousers in that relationship.

With the exception of the UK, every other member is there to contribute to the "fund" and out of that, they get the feeling that they are a part of this wonderful club and it gives them a warm feeling in the crutch.


I've often asked myself what do the EU want us in there little club for ?

Imo, its for the London financial centre and to bail them out of the shit if the bullets start flying and nothing else.
Take away that and we have very little they want anymore.
These isles used to have a wealth of expertise and experience in pretty much everything.

Over the last 40 years, all these expertise have either oppsed off to the United States were the money for research is OR been swallowed up by European companies who now own those brains  >:(

For me, the EU have never had any intentions of any deal unless it totally destroys the UK as a world influence.
Bitterness for these isles because we once ruled most of the planet many many years ago is pathetic.
Does Spain or Portugal get the same ?
No because they keep there mouths shut and toe the line  :(
France is up Germanys arse anyway so there past exploites abroad is conveniently forgotten.

For me, brexit was about taking control of our Isles back from bussells.
You cannot have a democracy if you cannot debate and make your own laws without outside influence.

There should never have been any negocations at all imo because we could never expect them to play fair.
After the vote, the UK we should have sat down and decieded what exactly we are going to be in March 2019 and then told the EU our terms and left them to squabble amongst themselfes.







Charles De Gaulle?

Tall chap. Big hooter.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: STEMO on 21 September 2018, 18:53:32
The phrase 'Nation of shopkeepers' has been used to refer to us for centuries, so whichever EU official it was is a tosser. Some people believe Napoleon used the phrase, but it cannot be proven. It's certainly been around since the 1700's.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 21 September 2018, 18:58:48
The phrase 'Nation of shopkeepers' has been used to refer to us for centuries, so whichever EU official it was is a tosser. Some people believe Napoleon used the phrase, but it cannot be proven. It's certainly been around since the 1700's.


As have you. :)
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 21 September 2018, 19:00:31
It looks like the penny has finally dropped. She has bent over backwards to compromise and be decent and respectful, while they are pissing all over her from a great height, and laughing while doing it.
The fact it has taken her this long to realise shows she isn't up to the job and should make way for someone who is. Sooner the better.
The fact that Oliver Robbins is still in his job this morning after he led her to were she got to yesterday, demonstrates she still hasn't developed any judgement or grown a backbone.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 21 September 2018, 19:51:32
Two points...

France is a Republic.

Germany does not give a shit what the French think... Although they do accept 'entente coordiale'* as a means to an end...

*Aka 'we will play along because our money is of equal value**'

**oh cock, our money is of equal value.

Opps the lot of them. The only deal is No Deal#

#Psst it only called 'No Deal' because it doesn't work for the EU...
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Varche on 21 September 2018, 19:56:24
how does a no deal and a hard border pan out? Is there a magic fix?

We still haven't had Gibraltar hit the fan yet. Sovereignty isn't going to be an issue but Spain just formulated their demands. Charging of VAT on things like fags to try and stem the huge fag smuggling racket. fair employment treatment for 12,000 workers who cross into Gib each day, Better governance of the 35,000 companies registered there (more than one per head of population!) None show stoppers but Spain has a veto over Gib on the final agreement. Methinks it is no deal.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 21 September 2018, 20:16:41
how does a no deal and a hard border pan out? Is there a magic fix?


It's quite simple really.  :y

Barnier appeared to accept the other day that the UK will not accept a border down the Irish Sea, but instead said checks on goods heading to the Republic of Ireland could be done in Northern Ireland away from the border before crossing into the Republic.  ::)

What we should do, is unilaterally recognise EU standards and declare that we will not be checking any goods coming from the EU at any ports or border crossings.  We should also tell the EU that if they will not mutually recognise UK standards that is fine, but any checks they want to do on the island of Ireland must be done well away from the border and in the Republic's territory.  :)

Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Rods2 on 22 September 2018, 22:25:30
May as a remainer wants her Chequers BRINO, so does he main adviser EU fanatic red Olly Robbins. >:(

May gets no sympathy from me as all she has shown is her total and utter incompetence & created another total political failure to add to her very long list. What put May's & Robbins nose out of joint is that David Davis & Michel Banier have got on with a deal & were well on the way to having a Canada+++ FTA deal sorted. The fact she went over David Davis head (making his and most of his Brexit department position untenable along with our Foreign Secretary so they resigned) with her own/Robins useless plan where the former head of GATT (predecessor to WTO) said the Chequers plan was ill conceived, vague & showed the authors have no understanding of how world trade works tells you all you need to know. :-[

Where Michel Banier said no to Chequers, May then had a series of summer meetings with several heads of major EU states to undermine his position hoping he would be overruled. When May's Salzburg plan was given before she went there, comments was made that she will come back with nothing, well not quite nothing, she did get a red-faced photo op. with Donald Tusk & a slice of non-cherry cake. ;D The EU leaders have treated May rather badly showing with what I took as their total contempt for May our fu*kwit PM and her duplicitous shenanigans, by not letting David Davis & Michel Banier do their jobs. A no deal will work but a Canada+++ FTA is in both the UK's & EU's interest, where the EU will keep their £100bn trade surplus where a big chunk of that is on exports of cars & agricultural products to the UK and attract high tariffs under WTO rules. The fact that both sides start with the same regularity framework & rules where we are an EU member makes this an easier deal for both sides compared to the Canada/EU negotiations.

Her defiance with her speech, saying her Chequers way or no-way shows how politically inept and out of her depth she is. One thing that unites are parties including Leavers & Remainers is that Chequers is as dead as a Norwegian Blue parrot. Personally I find it embarrassing that out of 30m+ working adults in this country this waste of oxygen has somehow become our PM. :-[ >:(

May & CCHQ have banished the word Chequers for all fringe meeting titles at the Tory party conference in a few weeks time. May intends to use it as a platform to launch her 2022 reelection campaign. Tory MPs will probably let her survive until 29th March 2019 so she then fully owns the Brexit shambles & then 48+ letters will go into the 1922 committee and the door of number 10 doesn't hit her butt on the way out.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Mister Rog on 22 September 2018, 23:38:20
May as a remainer  . . . .


Her defiance  . . . . is that Chequers is as dead as a Norwegian Blue parrot. Personally I find it embarrassing that out of 30m+ working adults in this country this waste of oxygen has somehow become our PM. :-[ >:(
 

. . . . . . . . door of number 10 doesn't hit her butt on the way out.

An insightful and carefully considered response.

BUT, I have one major issue and question . . . . . did they ever have blue parrots in Norway ?



And meanwhile Comrade Corbyn still keeps fairly quiet. Quietly wanting Brexit to go ahead as it suits his hard left agenda, but ready and poised for some good 'ol finger pointing for anything that goes wrong.


Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Rods2 on 23 September 2018, 00:11:40
May as a remainer  . . . .


Her defiance  . . . . is that Chequers is as dead as a Norwegian Blue parrot. Personally I find it embarrassing that out of 30m+ working adults in this country this waste of oxygen has somehow become our PM. :-[ >:(
 

. . . . . . . . door of number 10 doesn't hit her butt on the way out.

An insightful and carefully considered response.

BUT, I have one major issue and question . . . . . did they ever have blue parrots in Norway ?



And meanwhile Comrade Corbyn still keeps fairly quiet. Quietly wanting Brexit to go ahead as it suits his hard left agenda, but ready and poised for some good 'ol finger pointing for anything that goes wrong.

Me adding a bit of subtle parody from the Monty Python dead parrot sketch. :y
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2018, 11:02:39
It looks like the penny has finally dropped. She has bent over backwards to compromise and be decent and respectful, while they are pissing all over her from a great height, and laughing while doing it.
The fact it has taken her this long to realise shows she isn't up to the job and should make way for someone who is. Sooner the better.
Although you need to remember that this country is in a truly woeful state financially, and a clean break will significantly damage us financially for a couple of generations...   ...possibly so we cant recover, or deal with the inflation or even hyper inflation that is coming.


Want to know why the High Street is dying suddenly over the last 2 years? It was the suggestions from the BoE that interest rates would have to go up to curb post referendum inflation...   ...but that has also scared the bejesus out of consumers.  And this is just the start.

Our beloved pound took a hit as well, but not to the scale it will yet, as every (sensible) economist understands the impact of any kind of leave. and the fact a no deal exit will have a dire impact on this country.

And look at how (all) local authorities are struggling, and how this has escalated to a new level since the referendum result.


I think even the staunchist Brexit believer now can see that we are an insignificant little island, and realises their previous thoughts of "they need us more than we need them" were wide of reality. And most are starting to see that within their own EU countries, our demise means more opportunities for them.  Which ensures a no deal break, because it plays into their hands, and effectively blocks us from supplying our biggest market.

It doesn't take a genious to understand this will hit all of society, for generations. And it was/is all very predictable.


I'm not against leaving the EU, BTW, just I took a pragmatic view, and decided now was not the time.  My views remain unchanged.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2018, 11:05:24
LOL, and forgot my point during rant...


...she knows the only option is for a deal.  Not having a deal means we're screwed. She knows that. Every (sensible) economist knows that. Even my mum's dog knows that.


Lib Dems are pulling a cunning stunt, that might just work for them (as nothing else would ;D)
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 September 2018, 12:00:10
The high streets have been dying since the previous recession...
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: tigers_gonads on 23 September 2018, 12:11:18
The high streets have been dying since the previous recession...


You can blame the property landlords who royally take the piss on the rents and city centre business rates for that  >:(
Yesterday, all the House of Frasier staff in this city was told that they are closing  :'(
The loveable Mr Mike Ashley tried in vain to renegotiate the rent but the property owners refused to budge.
Payable rent is currently 400K per year for that building which may have been acceptable 15 years ago but with mail order now at the forefront, they had no chance   :'(


Even the local scumbag media refuse to say who owns the building but I heard last year that provisional permission had been granted for flats which if you look were it is will make a friggin fortune  >:(
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 23 September 2018, 12:22:06
And the invention of online shopping.  ;)
I disagree with almost every word TB said, but even if he is right, you cannot go into negotiations with you and everyone else knowing that you wont walk away from the table.
Our masters in Brussells seemed quite sure that this was the case, which is probably why she made the speech she made. Thing is, is she bluffing ? And of she is, do they know shes bluffing ?
Btw, if we don't get out soon, there is a good chance we will never have another chance. Upcoming proposed EU laws in the not too distant future may make it all but impossible to leave.
Meanwhile, comrade Corbyn - man of great principle, lifelong EU hater and different to all other politicians - who previously said Labour would carry out the result of the referendum and there would be no second vote, has changed his mind just in the hope of getting more votes and damaging his opponents electoral chances.  ::)
Being the certifiable cretin he is, he seems to have forgotten that most of his voters voted for Brexit, or maybe he has been completely submerged into the Westminster bubble. 
Its funny what the prospect of power does to a rebellious politician.  ::)
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 23 September 2018, 12:31:03
Re the death of the High St, the power of Amazon should not be underestimated.  ::)

A massive Amazon distribution centre has recently popped up on the Western Approach Distribution Park on the outskirts of Avonmouth.  The M49 passes by and they have started to build a junction right where the Amazon facility is....  ::) 

Lots of other big companies are there Tesco, Boots, Next, Farm Foods, TK Maxx etc and have been there for some time, but Amazon arrive and suddenly a junction onto the adjacent motorway is required.  :-X

To be honest it should have been done years ago, but I think the power of Amazon has tipped the scales.  ;)

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Western+Approach+Distribution+Park/@51.5498877,-2.6473397,16z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x4871939f4253d5f9:0xb0ec79144c2b5410!8m2!3d51.5495241!4d-2.6515239?hl=en

Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2018, 13:28:14
The high streets have been dying since the previous recession...
Which we haven't recovered from yet, which is why the timing on this referendum was rubbish.

But, believe me, the last 2 years have be far worse than the previous 8 by some margin.  UK consumers have gotten used to low mortgage payments, and are running scared at them returning to the "norm" of around 5% base rate...   ...and are realising that a no deal exit will like push them up to the double figures last seen nearly 30yrs ago.


And online shopping is *NOT* the reason, and is not booming like the mainstream media would have you believe.  With few exceptions, it has simply taken over from the old mail order and catalogue techniques.  And virtually nobody is making any money from online shopping, certainly not enough to cover the loses in their bricks and mortar.  Even Tesco have thrown in the towel a few months ago...  ...and with their buying power, if they can't make it work... ;).  And that is the reason none of the bricks and mortar type places have decided not to close traditional stores and go online only.  The dotcom boom and spectacular crash that quickly followed is still relatively fresh in many memories.

The online that is flourishing is the far east Amazon-esque type online outlets.

Amazon have traditionally done well, being one of the first, slick, efficient online retailers, which set the scen for how online shopping should work.  However, it has become unstuck by its own size (if ever you have had the displeasure of having to actually talk to them over lost packages, you'd know what I mean), and is surviving by having a lot of unique items and subsription (or virtual subscription) such as the excellent Kindle reader and so-so Prime video, rather than traditional sales...  ...and a lot of its money from traditional sales comes from the god awful Amazon Marketplace.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: zirk on 23 September 2018, 15:33:42

Amazon have traditionally done well, being one of the first, slick, efficient online retailers,
Mainly due to the fact they Employ Zero Hour Contract workers on Min Wages and hardly paying any Taxes on their Profits.  >:(
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2018, 16:18:06

Amazon have traditionally done well, being one of the first, slick, efficient online retailers,
Mainly due to the fact they Employ Zero Hour Contract workers on Min Wages and hardly paying any Taxes on their Profits.  >:(
They pay the taxes they are supposed to pay.  The UK media are like safari park chimps over it, but Amazon Europe are NOT a UK company, so have limited their UK tax liability.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 23 September 2018, 16:20:04
Because the rules allow them to. This will change soon though. The screams from all and sundry are just too loud to ignore now.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2018, 16:28:46
Because the rules allow them to. This will change soon though. The screams from all and sundry are just too loud to ignore now.
Why?

Brexit or no Brexit, deal or no deal, they will pay limited corporation taxes in this country because they are not based here.  Simples really.

Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 September 2018, 21:57:24
Probably council owned...

If not the council, almost certainly a councilor.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Rods2 on 25 September 2018, 18:08:09
Day after day Theresa May's handling of #Brexit shows that she is incapable of managing her government & party. Virtually all the mismanagement of policy, projects, people & teams she has excelled at. :( Being 'a bloody awkward person' is the embodiment of all of the these problems & why she must go.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Mister Rog on 26 September 2018, 00:58:05

It's remarkable.

Labour is agonising and pulling itself even further apart on the details of what Brexit stance it should take

 . . . as are the Tories

As if either would actually happen. Fact is EU would tell us to "shove it" anyway. So, all this posturing is a waste of time and effort.


Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 26 September 2018, 01:30:49
Do Labour have a BREXIT stance?  :-\
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 September 2018, 07:16:26
Do Labour have a BREXIT stance?  :-\
Nope. They will simply spend an opps load of cash on all sorts of nefarious lefty shite and expect us/anyone else to pay for it.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 26 September 2018, 07:17:05
Most of their voters voted to leave, their leader is a lifelong Eurosceptic. Most of his party are firm remainers. He no longer gives a toss about anything apart from being PM.
So, the official stance changes at least once a day depending on who is talking about it and who they are talking to.
And they claim Corbynism to be  new type of politics.  ;D
As someone once sang "meet the new boss, the same as the old boss".  ::)
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 September 2018, 07:32:46
Boss wasn't quite the word I would have chosen...

The only difference being that his predecessor initially presented as a reasonable alternative to the then Tory PM. Corbyn is clearly a complete Lady bits from the get go ::)
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: aaronjb on 26 September 2018, 08:37:57
Do Labour have a BREXIT stance?  :-\

Based on the radio, yesterday, I believe their stance is "Vote us in and you can have another referendum on whether or not you actually want to leave (you don't, remember that, vote right this time)"
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Kevin Wood on 26 September 2018, 10:01:19
Do Labour have a BREXIT stance?  :-\

Based on the radio, yesterday, I believe their stance is "Vote us in and you can have another referendum on whether or not you actually want to leave (you don't, remember that, vote right this time)"

.. whilst, at the same time, employing Corbyn to ensure that they don't actually get voted in. ;D Once the shite has finally hit the fan, they'll ditch him, and campaign along the lines of "look what a mess the tories made of brexit!" whilst conveniently forgetting that they brought nothing whatsoever of use to the table themselves. ::)
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 26 September 2018, 10:18:05
It seems to me that Labours only Brexit strategy is to use it as a means to bring the government down.  ::)

The irony is that they will apply their '6 tests' to whatever (shitty) deal the Maybot brings back to Parliament to vote it down.  The fact that they couldn't negotiate a deal with the EU that passes the '6 tests' dosn't seem to have occurred to them.  ???

Tossers!  ::)  The lot of them!  ;D
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 26 September 2018, 10:38:36
Oh and does anyone fancy a cheeky general strike?  ::)
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: ronnyd on 26 September 2018, 11:18:53
Most of their voters voted to leave, their leader is a lifelong Eurosceptic. Most of his party are firm remainers. He no longer gives a toss about anything apart from being PM.
So, the official stance changes at least once a day depending on who is talking about it and who they are talking to.
And they claim Corbynism to be  new type of politics.  ;D
As someone once sang "meet the new boss, the same as the old boss".  ::)

"We won,t get fooled again", The Who. :y
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 26 September 2018, 12:51:31
Oh and does anyone fancy a cheeky general strike?  ::)

 ;D ;D ;D ;)

It didn't work in 1926 and it wouldn't work now, doing a lot of damage to the country.................................but hang on, so much damage is being done already!!

Damn Corbyn and his pirates are just not helping the situation.  A "People's Vote"??  FFS.  That was what the Referendum was meant't to be and a majority, not including me, voted to leave.  So now we MUST leave, otherwise we will be the laughing stock of the World from which real grave damage to our economy and sovereignty will be done! ::) ::) ::)

Usually stay out of politics on the OOF, but this is testing my resolve to stay silent! ;)
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 September 2018, 12:57:27
Oh and does anyone fancy a cheeky general strike?  ::)

 ;D ;D ;D ;)

It didn't work in 1926 and it wouldn't work now, doing a lot of damage to the country.................................but hang on, so much damage is being done already!!

Damn Corbyn and his pirates are just not helping the situation.  A "People's Vote"??  FFS. That was what the Referendum was meant't to be and a majority, not including me, voted to leave.  So now we MUST leave, otherwise we will be the laughing stock of the World from which real grave damage to our economy and sovereignty will be done! ::) ::) ::)

Usually stay out of politics on the OOF, but this is testing my resolve to stay silent! ;)

Exactly my take on the subject. I am a remainer not a remoaner.

If there is another vote, the options should be limited to 'how we decide to leave'..........the option of 'remaining in the EU' should not be allowed. We have already voted on this point.

Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: STEMO on 26 September 2018, 13:05:13
The padded jacket, in order to make him look broader, didn't work. You can see his scrawny shoulders halfway along.  ;D
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 26 September 2018, 13:15:49
The padded jacket, in order to make him look broader, didn't work. You can see his scrawny shoulders halfway along.  ;D


......................and today Comrade Corbyn is talking about re-nationalisation (nothing new) and the dismantling of Capitalism which he says is all "a scam"!! :o :o :o :o :o   Doesn't he know that any form of communism by itself has not worked, and even China has been heading for a Capitalist society with sales of Rolls Royces there up by 40% on the previous year!  The Soviet Union proved how disastrous communism, at least in their form, could be.   

I feel we are going back to the naff decade of the 1970's, exactly when I grew up to the realisation that Labour was no good for the UK.  But, here we go again with this throw of a Labour leader. >:( >:( >:( >:( 
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 26 September 2018, 13:23:49
Yet unbelievably Mrs May's 'advisors' have been mulling a snap GE!  :o

WTF?  Because that went so well for them just over a year ago!  ::)  Where does she get these people?  :-\
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 26 September 2018, 13:30:03
Yet unbelievably Mrs May's 'advisors' have been mulling a snap GE!  :o

WTF?  Because that went so well for them just over a year ago!  ::)  Where does she get these people?  :-\

Yes, that worries me, a Conservative, as well!! :o :o :o :(
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 26 September 2018, 13:32:37
Most of Corbyns supporters are young people. The 1970,s to them really is ancient history. The left wing education system has programmed them to believe if it isn't left wing its evil. Its also why they dont have a problem voting for a lifelong supporter of the IRA.
Its all ancient history to them, and Corbyn and his kind have had time to make up a pack of lies to cover their backs in the interim.
One delegate yesterday proclaimed that the education system needs to be improved, because " if we educated children properly, there wouldnt be any Tories".
Its pretty scary stuff for those of us who have lived life and seen it before.

I dont believe even moronicMay and her team are mad enough to call an election at the moment. Unless events overtake them and leave little choice in the matter.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Varche on 26 September 2018, 13:45:15
I am glad I don't have to vote in Uk elections.

I think all three parties are sadly lacking.

This lack of history is what helps get so many young supporters for the EU for example.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 26 September 2018, 13:54:13
Or the version of history they are taught. These days, modern British political history starts with the election "The wicked witch" Thatcher, and everything that's gone wrong since, is her fault apparently.  ::)
Im pretty sure I will write NOTA on my ballot paper next time, despite recently becoming a member of the Tories.  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: STEMO on 26 September 2018, 14:37:55
I am glad I don't have to vote in Uk elections.

I think all three parties are sadly lacking.

This lack of history is what helps get so many young supporters for the EU for example.
There are three parties?
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Kevin Wood on 26 September 2018, 14:47:26
I am glad I don't have to vote in Uk elections.

I think all three parties are sadly lacking.

This lack of history is what helps get so many young supporters for the EU for example.
There are three parties?

I was just going to say..

But yes, apparently the Monster Raving Looney party is still a thing, and head quartered about a mile from where I'm sitting now. ;)
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 September 2018, 15:10:46
I am glad I don't have to vote in Uk elections.

I think all three parties are sadly lacking.

This lack of history is what helps get so many young supporters for the EU for example.
There are three parties?

I was just going to say..

But yes, apparently the Monster Raving Looney party is still a thing, and head quartered about a mile from where I'm sitting now. ;)

Ah yes.....Screaming Lord Sutch. They don't make them like him any more.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 26 September 2018, 15:35:09
Most of Corbyns supporters are young people. The 1970,s to them really is ancient history. The left wing education system has programmed them to believe if it isn't left wing its evil. Its also why they dont have a problem voting for a lifelong supporter of the IRA.
Its all ancient history to them, and Corbyn and his kind have had time to make up a pack of lies to cover their backs in the interim.
One delegate yesterday proclaimed that the education system needs to be improved, because " if we educated children properly, there wouldnt be any Tories".
Its pretty scary stuff for those of us who have lived life and seen it before.

I dont believe even moronicMay and her team are mad enough to call an election at the moment. Unless events overtake them and leave little choice in the matter.


Oh yes, that is really scary.  Like Hitler created a cultural education of the German people to believe the Nazis were the answer to all evils and would advance the nation to a "Greater Germany"!! :o :o >:(

This is all worrying me now, with every news bulletin Labour are spouting out more and more socialist crap and is trying to re-write history and what is to happen next. >:(
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Varche on 26 September 2018, 19:40:42
I am glad I don't have to vote in Uk elections.

I think all three parties are sadly lacking.

This lack of history is what helps get so many young supporters for the EU for example.
There are three parties?

I was just going to say..

But yes, apparently the Monster Raving Looney party is still a thing, and head quartered about a mile from where I'm sitting now. ;)

Co incidence?
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 September 2018, 20:09:17
I am glad I don't have to vote in Uk elections.

I think all three parties are sadly lacking.

This lack of history is what helps get so many young supporters for the EU for example.
There are three parties?

I was just going to say..

But yes, apparently the Monster Raving Looney party is still a thing, and head quartered about a mile from where I'm sitting now. ;)

Co incidence?
Presumably warm beer involved :D
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: BazaJT on 26 September 2018, 20:27:22
Unfortunately it would need an act of god[or a higher power]to get anyone other than a labour candidate elected round here.Never been a Tory fan but I'd sooner vote for the Downing Street cat than have Corbyn as PM.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 26 September 2018, 20:37:39
Unfortunately it would need an act of god[or a higher power]to get anyone other than a labour candidate elected round here.Never been a Tory fan but I'd sooner vote for the Downing Street cat than have Corbyn as PM.

Larry would do a better job!  :y


Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Mister Rog on 26 September 2018, 20:41:56
Unfortunately it would need an act of god[or a higher power]to get anyone other than a labour candidate elected round here.Never been a Tory fan but I'd sooner vote for the Downing Street cat than have Corbyn as PM.

I've voted for everyone over the years, no big tribal bias. I'm not a big fan of TM, but f there was a General Election tomorrow I would be voting for whoever is most likely to keep Corbyn out of No 10, and almost as importantly McDonnell out of No 11, I'll not waste breath on who would be Home Secretary.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: BazaJT on 26 September 2018, 20:54:53
If labour were to get in everything would be rosy.Dianne Abbot has done the costings so if you move the decimal point about a bit and get rid of a few of those unsightly zeroes it works out they could do everything for everybody for about £1.50p :D
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 26 September 2018, 21:04:42
If labour were to get in everything would be rosy.Dianne Abbot has done the costings so if you move the decimal point about a bit and get rid of a few of those unsightly zeroes it works out they could do everything for everybody for about £1.50p :D


And there was me thinking after listening to Corbyn that it would all be free! :o :o

It was in the 1970's and 2008.............oh, hang on, they near bankrupted industry, the country, and lost tens of thousands of jobs by first letting the unions run the country and then spending all the money!! ::) ::)
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 26 September 2018, 21:05:45
If labour were to get in everything would be rosy.Dianne Abbot has done the costings so if you move the decimal point about a bit and get rid of a few of those unsightly zeroes it works out they could do everything for everybody for about £1.50p :D

Yes even a 999 call will become a 99 call!  ;D
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 September 2018, 22:18:17
If labour were to get in everything would be rosy.Dianne Abbot has done the costings so if you move the decimal point about a bit and get rid of a few of those unsightly zeroes it works out they could do everything for everybody for about £1.50p :D

Yes even a 999 call will become a 99 call!  ;D
With a flake... :D
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 27 September 2018, 00:04:51
If labour were to get in everything would be rosy.Dianne Abbot has done the costings so if you move the decimal point about a bit and get rid of a few of those unsightly zeroes it works out they could do everything for everybody for about £1.50p :D

Yes even a 999 call will become a 99 call!  ;D
With a flake... :D

Well she is pretty flaky after all!  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Rods2 on 27 September 2018, 06:31:36
Most of Corbyns supporters are young people. The 1970,s to them really is ancient history. The left wing education system has programmed them to believe if it isn't left wing its evil. Its also why they dont have a problem voting for a lifelong supporter of the IRA.
Its all ancient history to them, and Corbyn and his kind have had time to make up a pack of lies to cover their backs in the interim.
One delegate yesterday proclaimed that the education system needs to be improved, because " if we educated children properly, there wouldnt be any Tories".
Its pretty scary stuff for those of us who have lived life and seen it before.

I dont believe even moronicMay and her team are mad enough to call an election at the moment. Unless events overtake them and leave little choice in the matter.

Never underestimate her political stupidity. As a vicar's daughter he is a fully paid up of the 'nice but very stupid' Tory club. I'm not sure who would win in a politica instincts v maths contest between May and Abbot. :o :o :o May has a proven track record of failure and snatching defeat from the jaws of victory with 23% GE poll advantage losing seats and Davis/Banier Canada+++ being replaced by the May/Robbins Chequers fiasco being two examples of the latter. :( :( :(
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 27 September 2018, 09:27:44
Reports have it that the Maybot was telling journalists on the flight to New York that in the event of No Deal, the UK will drastically lower taxes and will deregulate the economy to make it super competitive!  Words intended for her audience in Brussels no doubt.  ::)

I briefly wondered whether Chequers has been a clever ruse to get to No Deal all along, knowing full well that the EU would never accept it and neither will Parliament.  She can then blame EU intransigence and a stupid Labour party, for the failure to reach a deal.  :-\  After all Chequers is the only plan on the table at the moment. Right?  ???

I don't think they are that politically astute in Downing Street though.....  :-X  ;D
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Kevin Wood on 27 September 2018, 12:24:15
I am glad I don't have to vote in Uk elections.

I think all three parties are sadly lacking.

This lack of history is what helps get so many young supporters for the EU for example.
There are three parties?

I was just going to say..

But yes, apparently the Monster Raving Looney party is still a thing, and head quartered about a mile from where I'm sitting now. ;)

Co incidence?
Presumably warm beer involved :D
Warm beer, you say? Perhaps I should join... :y
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 27 September 2018, 13:39:17
Amber Rudderless has crawled out from under her stone this morning and said that she and about 40 Tory MP's will vote against a Canada +++ style FTA, so that's probably another option dead in the water!  ::)

So No Deal is looking ever more likely, despite all the squealing and shouting for a 2nd referendum.  ::)

Interestingly I spotted this in yesterdays Guardian.  :)

"The Guardian revealed on Wednesday that the EU is intensifying its no-deal preparations over increased concerns over the ratification of a deal. EU leaders have also insisted on their right to go over the head of the European commission and strike mini-deals with the UK in the event of a no-deal scenario in order to mitigate the worst effects of a cliff-edge Brexit, including the grounding of flights and blockage of haulage routes."

I read recently and can't remember where, that the heads of Dover and Calais ports have having talks to minimise disruption in the even of No Deal.
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 27 September 2018, 14:25:13
Amber Rudderless has crawled out from under her stone this morning and said that she and about 40 Tory MP's will vote against a Canada +++ style FTA, so that's probably another option dead in the water!  ::)

So No Deal is looking ever more likely, despite all the squealing and shouting for a 2nd referendum.  ::)

Interestingly I spotted this in yesterdays Guardian.  :)

"The Guardian revealed on Wednesday that the EU is intensifying its no-deal preparations over increased concerns over the ratification of a deal. EU leaders have also insisted on their right to go over the head of the European commission and strike mini-deals with the UK in the event of a no-deal scenario in order to mitigate the worst effects of a cliff-edge Brexit, including the grounding of flights and blockage of haulage routes."

I read recently and can't remember where, that the heads of Dover and Calais ports have having talks to minimise disruption in the even of No Deal.


We should all remember the warnings before the Millennium Bug was about to strike on 31st December 1999; computers would stop working, electric power would turn off, planes would fall from the sky and, in short, we would be hit by a thousand plagues!!

None of it happened.  I reckon nothing will happen this time as it is not in the interests of the International or even European communities to let everything just stop!! ;)
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 27 September 2018, 15:45:21
December 31st 1999 was a brilliant night at work... Literally nothing to do as the only flight was at midday on January 1st.

Hopefully Brexit Eve will be just as peaceful... :D
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: Kevin Wood on 27 September 2018, 15:48:43
December 31st 1999 was a brilliant night at work... Literally nothing to do as the only flight was at midday on January 1st.

Hopefully Brexit Eve will be just as peaceful... :D

ISTR myself and a mate made a pact not to go to bed until all the beer was gone.

In retrospect, it wasn't my brightest move. ::)
Title: Re: Mrs May's speech Friday afternoon
Post by: TheBoy on 27 September 2018, 19:34:04
We should all remember the warnings before the Millennium Bug was about to strike on 31st December 1999; computers would stop working, electric power would turn off, planes would fall from the sky and, in short, we would be hit by a thousand plagues!!
Most of it media driven.

Like the current drivel going on.