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Stop and Search powers
« on: 31 March 2019, 13:09:44 »

Would you fancy being an unarmed policeman stopping and searching the thugs potentially armed with knives.?  What could possibly go wrong.
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« Reply #1 on: 31 March 2019, 13:56:18 »

Won't go into detail but we are having dealings with the Metropolitan Police while we are away in Sussex for a few days on quite a complicated matter, you cannot actually get to speak to a human everything is done via email, which hopefully will result in an answer within 48 hours (don't hold your breath) The service has been cut to the bone our son is in the force his view on stop & search is all very well giving more powers but where are the staff to carry these duties coming from ?
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« Reply #2 on: 31 March 2019, 14:11:21 »

Would you fancy being an unarmed policeman stopping and searching the thugs potentially armed with knives.?  What could possibly go wrong.

They do it every day of the week Varche.  That is why they are covered in a stab vest and armed with tasers, mace spay and a large baton.  Often single crews will call for back up. They also face being bitten by infected people and, worse still, have dirty needles stuck in them.  Policing is a very dangerous occupation.

However, yes there are no where enough of the boys and girls in blues/blacks.  They need the 20,000 extra officers just to return to the numbers the UK forces had before austerity! :( :(
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« Reply #3 on: 31 March 2019, 14:51:34 »

Regardless of the money position ... just where do you suddenly get 20,000 SUITABLE people to even start to train as Police Officers ?? It's the same as the left wing luvvies on the health service ... "we need 20,000 more doctors" .. it takes 7 years to train a doctor, and I doubt there are many in the dole queue ...the truth is there are hundreds of vacancies for doctors (and police) at the moment .. and no-one to fil those positions .. simply making more empty positions is a rather foolish outlook IMHO :(
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« Reply #4 on: 31 March 2019, 17:38:10 »

Regardless of the money position ... just where do you suddenly get 20,000 SUITABLE people to even start to train as Police Officers ?? It's the same as the left wing luvvies on the health service ... "we need 20,000 more doctors" .. it takes 7 years to train a doctor, and I doubt there are many in the dole queue ...the truth is there are hundreds of vacancies for doctors (and police) at the moment .. and no-one to fil those positions .. simply making more empty positions is a rather foolish outlook IMHO :(

You cannot compare training a police officer with training a doctor.  Training of a PC lasts about 18 weeks at Police Training Colleges, then the next part means they should be fully operational in 2 years.  The police are recruiting new PC's constantly, and over the whole country they will increase the recruiting and training rates to obtain the 20,000 once approved. There are many young people who are suitable for those roles, and all they need is the vacancies to be available for them to be encouraged to join. ;)
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Re: Stop and Search powers
« Reply #5 on: 31 March 2019, 18:32:06 »

According to total jobs there are, today, 842 unfilled police vacancies within 30 miles of London ... if what you say is true .. "There are many young people who are suitable for those roles, and all they need is the vacancies to be available for them to be encouraged to join." there would be no vacancies.

Not wanting to pick a fight in any way, but there is a reality that is missed by a lot of commentators .. it is not possible to click ones fingers and produce suitable, qualified, people for most jobs/trades simply because you wish it to be so.... or because it makes a nice political sound bite.
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« Reply #6 on: 31 March 2019, 19:10:57 »

According to total jobs there are, today, 842 unfilled police vacancies within 30 miles of London ... if what you say is true .. "There are many young people who are suitable for those roles, and all they need is the vacancies to be available for them to be encouraged to join." there would be no vacancies.

Not wanting to pick a fight in any way, but there is a reality that is missed by a lot of commentators .. it is not possible to click ones fingers and produce suitable, qualified, people for most jobs/trades simply because you wish it to be so.... or because it makes a nice political sound bite.

That is down to a) the police are now recruiting based on some extra funding they are receiving / going to receive from the Government b) the pressures on the police 'out there now', are immense; they are very demorilised and have felt let down for some time, with many deciding to call it a day causing even further shortages that place even more pressure on those left. Illness and mental illness has had it's effects.

That is why there are vacancies, and will be until far more support, and funds to recruit, is given.  ;)

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« Reply #7 on: 31 March 2019, 20:35:56 »

A cynical view might be that in the drive to be more diverse, Police Forces across the country are not recruiting from the traditional pool of ex-forces personnel and are trying unsuccessfully to recruit from a sector of society that simply don't want to be Police Officers.  :-X  :-\  ::)

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« Reply #8 on: 31 March 2019, 20:45:56 »

A cynical view might be that in the drive to be more diverse, Police Forces across the country are not recruiting from the traditional pool of ex-forces personnel and are trying unsuccessfully to recruit from a sector of society that simply don't want to be Police Officers.  :-X  :-\  ::)
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« Reply #9 on: 31 March 2019, 21:08:50 »

According to total jobs there are, today, 842 unfilled police vacancies within 30 miles of London ... if what you say is true .. "There are many young people who are suitable for those roles, and all they need is the vacancies to be available for them to be encouraged to join." there would be no vacancies.

Not wanting to pick a fight in any way, but there is a reality that is missed by a lot of commentators .. it is not possible to click ones fingers and produce suitable, qualified, people for most jobs/trades simply because you wish it to be so.... or because it makes a nice political sound bite.

Agree wholeheartedly.

Similar to those luvvies who wish to bring back military national service. 

How many of the already overstretched trained military would additionally be required to persuade the current crop of gender neutral snowflakes mixed with attitude overladen teens who would rather take their ‘entitlement’ of cash from the state for doing fekall?
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« Reply #10 on: 31 March 2019, 21:12:17 »

Would you fancy being an unarmed policeman stopping and searching the thugs potentially armed with knives.?  What could possibly go wrong.

No.

Been there, done that.

Even worse now where your wingman simply does not exist to cover your back and even pressing your red button on the radio, when in a rural area, means a second copper to assist is a 20 minute blue light run away.  You would be a long time dead by time they appear.....
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« Reply #11 on: 31 March 2019, 21:16:44 »

Regardless of the money position ... just where do you suddenly get 20,000 SUITABLE people to even start to train as Police Officers ?? It's the same as the left wing luvvies on the health service ... "we need 20,000 more doctors" .. it takes 7 years to train a doctor, and I doubt there are many in the dole queue ...the truth is there are hundreds of vacancies for doctors (and police) at the moment .. and no-one to fil those positions .. simply making more empty positions is a rather foolish outlook IMHO :(

You cannot compare training a police officer with training a doctor.  Training of a PC lasts about 18 weeks at Police Training Colleges, then the next part means they should be fully operational in 2 years.  The police are recruiting new PC's constantly, and over the whole country they will increase the recruiting and training rates to obtain the 20,000 once approved. There are many young people who are suitable for those roles, and all they need is the vacancies to be available for them to be encouraged to join. ;)

Yes you can compare doctors and police officers in this fashion, in my opinion.  For each to be suitably effective in their field, once you take out the quotient of ‘do no harm’ from a doctor, each has to be effective in an extremely short, though comparable, timescale.

The ability to backfil, the current shortfall in both roles is, at best, glacial.
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« Reply #12 on: 01 April 2019, 00:01:44 »

According to total jobs there are, today, 842 unfilled police vacancies within 30 miles of London ... if what you say is true .. "There are many young people who are suitable for those roles, and all they need is the vacancies to be available for them to be encouraged to join." there would be no vacancies.

Not wanting to pick a fight in any way, but there is a reality that is missed by a lot of commentators .. it is not possible to click ones fingers and produce suitable, qualified, people for most jobs/trades simply because you wish it to be so.... or because it makes a nice political sound bite.

That is down to a) the police are now recruiting based on some extra funding they are receiving / going to receive from the Government b) the pressures on the police 'out there now', are immense; they are very demorilised and have felt let down for some time, with many deciding to call it a day causing even further shortages that place even more pressure on those left. Illness and mental illness has had it's effects.

That is why there are vacancies, and will be until far more support, and funds to recruit, is given.  ;)

Lets hope HMG fork out an additional 20% in funding, cos that`s  the percentage increase thet  some folks will be paying in this years council tax   ::)

  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-47625966

 
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« Reply #13 on: 01 April 2019, 01:05:21 »

Nice to see Brucie back on OOF again. Your no nonsense wisdom has been  much missed.  ;)
Whatever happened to that daft lad of yours who lives in Stoke ?   :-\  ;D
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« Reply #14 on: 01 April 2019, 11:10:28 »

According to total jobs there are, today, 842 unfilled police vacancies within 30 miles of London ... if what you say is true .. "There are many young people who are suitable for those roles, and all they need is the vacancies to be available for them to be encouraged to join." there would be no vacancies.

Not wanting to pick a fight in any way, but there is a reality that is missed by a lot of commentators .. it is not possible to click ones fingers and produce suitable, qualified, people for most jobs/trades simply because you wish it to be so.... or because it makes a nice political sound bite.

That is down to a) the police are now recruiting based on some extra funding they are receiving / going to receive from the Government b) the pressures on the police 'out there now', are immense; they are very demorilised and have felt let down for some time, with many deciding to call it a day causing even further shortages that place even more pressure on those left. Illness and mental illness has had it's effects.

That is why there are vacancies, and will be until far more support, and funds to recruit, is given.  ;)

Lets hope HMG fork out an additional 20% in funding, cos that`s  the percentage increase thet  some folks will be paying in this years council tax   ::)

  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-47625966

 

Yes, in Kent we are already :y :y

All for it to get the numbers of police we need on the streets and start to address the pressures the officer faces on the street; I constantly see their frustration of not being able to achieve what the public demand them to achieve.  As hotel21 states so often, at least in Kent, officers, single crewed, can be 'down', requiring immediate assistance but the nearest fellow officer is on the other side of the county and even with blue's and two's will take all too long to get there.  Answering 999's is also not good, with officers and the control room having to choose priorities.  Two hour response times are not unusual, and although much work has been done to improve that and the 101 service, it is still not at the level that satisfies the public AND senior police officers.  Without the extra 20,000 officers 21st century policing in the UK will never be at satisfactory levels, hence the increase in violent crime.  The crims just know that the chances of the police arriving quickly at the incident they have caused is very slim.

So, yes I am happy to pay extra out of my pensions for the extra officers and if it takes initiatives of the likes of our Kent Crime and Police Commissioner, Matthew Scott, to fund (200 additional officers so far) some of the extra needed by way of Council Tax, then so be it. :y :y
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