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Title: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 July 2018, 12:35:16
My understanding is Theresa May and her band of merry men have to come up with a 'concrete' vision of what the UK expects of Brexit by Friday. The EU is waiting. ::)


Should be easy enough to get everybody singing from the same hymn sheet......shouldn't it? 8) :D :D

Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Varche on 04 July 2018, 13:42:53
Of course it will be. ;D ;D

This actually is a PR exercise to soften up the public to accept a watered down version of Brexit. Most with "remain" tendencies will accept it anyway. Of the balance that care, maybe a half will and the other half will spit their Rees Mogs out. However IF she plays her cards right then there will be a plan led by the Conservatives. If she fails at best you get a new leader (Sajid Javid at a guess) or at worst Corbyn.

The next question you need to ask is will 27 disparate countries agree to the plan...........? Of course they will. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 July 2018, 13:50:11
Of course it will be. ;D ;D

This actually is a PR exercise to soften up the public to accept a watered down version of Brexit. Most with "remain" tendencies will accept it anyway. Of the balance that care, maybe a half will and the other half will spit their Rees Mogs out. However IF she plays her cards right then there will be a plan led by the Conservatives. If she fails at best you get a new leader (Sajid Javid at a guess) or at worst Corbyn.

The next question you need to ask is will 27 disparate countries agree to the plan...........? Of course they will. ;D ;D ;D ;D

I think we are heading for BRINO
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 04 July 2018, 14:11:48
The next question you need to ask is will 27 disparate countries agree to the plan...........? Of course they will. ;D ;D ;D ;D
This is a key point oft overlooked...

We will end up with a hard, WTO driven Brexit regardless... There will never be an unanimous decision made by 27 countries. Ever. And if one country has an issue with one point, however minor then the EU cannot sign/agree it.

Best thing TM can do is publicly admit this and tell the EU to conceded this point and remind them that THEY have 9 months to sort their shit out because it's happening regardless.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 July 2018, 14:18:52
The next question you need to ask is will 27 disparate countries agree to the plan...........? Of course they will. ;D ;D ;D ;D
This is a key point oft overlooked...

We will end up with a hard, WTO driven Brexit regardless... There will never be an unanimous decision made by 27 countries. Ever. And if one country has an issue with one point, however minor then the EU cannot sign/agree it.

Best thing TM can do is publicly admit this and tell the EU to conceded this point and remind them that THEY have 9 months to sort their shit out because it's happening regardless.

You 'may' be correct, Al.

And if we leave on WTO terms presumably we don't/won't have to pay the small matter of 39 billion pounds ....(thirty nine thousand million pounds) We'll have trouble finding that amount down the back of the sofa. ::)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Varche on 04 July 2018, 14:21:49
Agreed. Spain were given a veto over Gibraltar by the Eu. We haven't even had that kick off yet. It will be funny if after two years of supposed negotiations, it fails over Gibraltar on 7th March

Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 04 July 2018, 14:55:21
Which just shows the staggering arrogance of the EU. They have no right whatsoever to give Spain a veto over Gibraltar. Not until they officially outlaw democracy.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 04 July 2018, 15:16:13
Which just shows the staggering arrogance of the EU. They have no right whatsoever to give Spain a veto over Gibraltar. Not until they officially outlaw democracy.
Did you not get that Memo?

TonE 'The Treasonist Lady bits' B Liar signed that in 2004 >:(
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: tigers_gonads on 04 July 2018, 17:41:07
Have the EU actually backed down on anything ?
Eh no so that's the EU's answer to Brexit Friday  :(

Imo, the EU want (and have)  to make sure no other nation state will ever dare try and leave again so will do anything and everything in its power to screw this nation up unless we run back cap in hand and kiss the EU flag.
In fact, even after Brexit (if it happens) the EU will still do anything it can to disrupt these isles for years to come  >:(

For me, that's enough reason to tell them to F Off full stop and take our chances out in the real world.

Yes, this country will be royally screwed for a good 5 to 10 years but we will come out stronger imo.

But has May got the balls to call the EU's bluff ??
Has she opps  :(
After all, they don't call her Teresa the Appeaser for nothing  :(


Right, anybody know where that traitorous t@at, Tony B Liar lives ............. 


 
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: TheBoy on 04 July 2018, 17:48:30
Yes, this country will be royally screwed for a good 5 to 10 years our lifetime but we will come out stronger may come out OK
Fixed for accuracy
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 04 July 2018, 17:50:11
Connaught Square apparently...

Incidentally his kids all have Irish passports...

Make of that what you will :-X
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Raeturbo on 04 July 2018, 18:46:24
I thought he packed it in once. Why can’t he just cease to exist.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 04 July 2018, 19:39:03
If I was given immunity I would take the job on of making him cease to exist. Wouldn't even want payment.  :)
I am eligible for an Irish passport, but I would rather starve to death than apply for one.  ::)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: tigers_gonads on 05 July 2018, 10:45:15
Yes, this country will be royally screwed for a good 5 to 10 years our lifetime but we will come out stronger may come out OK
Fixed for accuracy



You might be right there  ;D  but imo your better off been a poor person and having a say ( via a democratic voting system) of the running of your own country then a rich person with 22 other countries who couldn't give a toss about the British, having the final say over your laws ........

For richer or poorer, opps em
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: tigers_gonads on 05 July 2018, 10:46:14
Connaught Square apparently...

Incidentally his kids all have Irish passports...

Make of that what you will :-X



Probably with references from his best mate, pikey bob  ::)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Rods2 on 05 July 2018, 16:16:44
The next question you need to ask is will 27 disparate countries agree to the plan...........? Of course they will. ;D ;D ;D ;D
This is a key point oft overlooked...

We will end up with a hard, WTO driven Brexit regardless... There will never be an unanimous decision made by 27 countries. Ever. And if one country has an issue with one point, however minor then the EU cannot sign/agree it.

Best thing TM can do is publicly admit this and tell the EU to conceded this point and remind them that THEY have 9 months to sort their shit out because it's happening regardless.

You 'may' be correct, Al.

And if we leave on WTO terms presumably we don't/won't have to pay the small matter of 39 billion pounds ....(thirty nine thousand million pounds) l have no trouble finding that amount down the back of my sofa. 8)

FTFY
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 05 July 2018, 18:17:54
I was listening to Ian Dale on LBC on the way to work this evening. If the details leaked to him re the white paper are accurate, then Theresa the Appeaser is indeed trying to take us down the BRINO route.
In this scenario, I can see civil war breaking out in the Tory party, possibly triggered by the resignation of David Davis, who has been sidelined and ignored.
She will then probably have to go, and there might be another general election, although no-one, including Corbyn wants one.
Problem is, if the Tories get shot of the useless May, who is fit to replace her ? Hopefully not Boris or Gove. I would probably be in favour of Davis out of the possible candidates.
We might know the answers to these questions by this time next week. We shall see.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 05 July 2018, 18:38:19
I was listening to Ian Dale on LBC on the way to work this evening. If the details leaked to him re the white paper are accurate, then Theresa the Appeaser is indeed trying to take us down the BRINO route.
In this scenario, I can see civil war breaking out in the Tory party, possibly triggered by the resignation of David Davis, who has been sidelined and ignored.
She will then probably have to go, and there might be another general election, although no-one, including Corbyn wants one.
Problem is, if the Tories get shot of the useless May, who is fit to replace her ? Hopefully not Boris or Gove. I would probably be in favour of Davis out of the possible candidates.
We might know the answers to these questions by this time next week. We shall see.

The whole Brexit episode is a giant clusterf*uck. :-\

Does it really need to be so difficult and complicated? :-\
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Varche on 05 July 2018, 21:37:42
I was listening to Ian Dale on LBC on the way to work this evening. If the details leaked to him re the white paper are accurate, then Theresa the Appeaser is indeed trying to take us down the BRINO route.
In this scenario, I can see civil war breaking out in the Tory party, possibly triggered by the resignation of David Davis, who has been sidelined and ignored.
She will then probably have to go, and there might be another general election, although no-one, including Corbyn wants one.
Problem is, if the Tories get shot of the useless May, who is fit to replace her ? Hopefully not Boris or Gove. I would probably be in favour of Davis out of the possible candidates.
We might know the answers to these questions by this time next week. We shall see.

The opinion poll I saw sajid Javid way in front. The usual suspects including Boris and those mentioned above were way down .cant find the link.

I dont believe Corbyn doesnt want to get on. No politicianwould turn down the chance surely. Dangerous game waiting for a better time....
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: STEMO on 05 July 2018, 22:11:58
I was listening to Ian Dale on LBC on the way to work this evening. If the details leaked to him re the white paper are accurate, then Theresa the Appeaser is indeed trying to take us down the BRINO route.
In this scenario, I can see civil war breaking out in the Tory party, possibly triggered by the resignation of David Davis, who has been sidelined and ignored.
She will then probably have to go, and there might be another general election, although no-one, including Corbyn wants one.
Problem is, if the Tories get shot of the useless May, who is fit to replace her ? Hopefully not Boris or Gove. I would probably be in favour of Davis out of the possible candidates.
We might know the answers to these questions by this time next week. We shall see.

The opinion poll I saw sajid Javid way in front. The usual suspects including Boris and those mentioned above were way down .cant find the link.

I dont believe Corbyn doesnt want to get on. No politicianwould turn down the chance surely. Dangerous game waiting for a better time....
Give me Corbyn over Javid any day. He has got zero going for him, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Rods2 on 05 July 2018, 22:16:46
I was listening to Ian Dale on LBC on the way to work this evening. If the details leaked to him re the white paper are accurate, then Theresa the Appeaser is indeed trying to take us down the BRINO route.
In this scenario, I can see civil war breaking out in the Tory party, possibly triggered by the resignation of David Davis, who has been sidelined and ignored.
She will then probably have to go, and there might be another general election, although no-one, including Corbyn wants one.
Problem is, if the Tories get shot of the useless May, who is fit to replace her ? Hopefully not Boris or Gove. I would probably be in favour of Davis out of the possible candidates.
We might know the answers to these questions by this time next week. We shall see.

Defence Minister Gavin Williamson or Home Secretary Sajid Javid, both have vision, are leaders & take responsibility & get things done. All the qualities that Appeaser May is totally lacking. May should of stuck to being the fashion dressing office bimbo or Margaret Thatcher's shoe cleaner or like English kings used to have her official arse wiper, if she really must have a job in politics. :) IMO since her delusions of grandeur of becoming an MP she has been totally out of her depth. :( :( :(

Where May is taking the UK is a trap & straight after the next election the winning party will declare we have to follow all the EUSSR rules with having no say, so we are rejoining to have our say. The terms will be no rebate so we are the biggest net contributor, joining the Euro, freedom of movement & taking the majority of economic refugees landing in southern Europe. >:( >:( >:( The reality is that the anti-EU MPs are the useful fools of the Tory party (John Redwood didn't like it when I told him that  ;D) to get the votes from their anti-EU spin respectability while the rest of the Tory party always have been & always will be rabid europhiles. Howe, Heseltine, Clarke & Sosbury are typical examples of their type. >:( >:( >:(

We would never had the Brexit referendum without many 2010 tactical UKIP voters and polls saying we intended to vote UKIP again in the 2015 election to pollsters. So CaMoron offered the referendum as a vote winner & then fell on his sword. :y :y :y

I suspect that this will make the Tories long term split into two parties of anti & pro EU and they will be out of office for at least 28 years at best or end up like the Liberal party after Lloyd George. :(
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 05 July 2018, 23:13:22
Williamson (private pike) is a dickhead who hasn't the gravitas or experience to run a car boot stall never mind a country.
Javid is a spineless useless little coward. He was extremely Eurosceptic until he thought it might damage his career, by going against Cameron in the referendum so he suddenly became a remainer. A complete non entity.
At least Theresa just hid behind the sofa until the whole thing was over.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 05 July 2018, 23:28:46
Defence Minister Gavin Williamson......

Rods please tell me you are joking about the fireplace salesman?  ???  :-\

If not you should shut up and go away!  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 06 July 2018, 12:33:35
Defence Minister Gavin Williamson......

Rods please tell me you are joking about the fireplace salesman?  ???  :-\

If not you should shut up and go away!  ::)  ;D

What are the odds that Putin would kick the shit out of Williamson if they were locked in a room together?
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Varche on 06 July 2018, 17:43:50
The result not expected till 10p.m. Uk time.

Would have loved tobe a fly on the wall. I read that it was likely some sessions would be politicians only , no civil servants.

Will we be given the low down on Saturday.................
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 06 July 2018, 18:26:13
The result not expected till 10p.m. Uk time.

Would have loved tobe a fly on the wall. I read that it was likely some sessions would be politicians only , no civil servants.

Will we be given the low down on Saturday.................
It'll be a fudge.

It won't be a 'proper' brexit.

Mr Albitz good friend Tony Blair will probably he happy enough though. :)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 06 July 2018, 18:53:39
How do we go about calling in the Generals ?  ::)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Rods2 on 06 July 2018, 19:58:43
I was listening to Ian Dale on LBC on the way to work this evening. If the details leaked to him re the white paper are accurate, then Theresa the Appeaser is indeed trying to take us down the BRINO route.
In this scenario, I can see civil war breaking out in the Tory party, possibly triggered by the resignation of David Davis, who has been sidelined and ignored.
She will then probably have to go, and there might be another general election, although no-one, including Corbyn wants one.
Problem is, if the Tories get shot of the useless May, who is fit to replace her ? Hopefully not Boris or Gove. I would probably be in favour of Davis out of the possible candidates.
We might know the answers to these questions by this time next week. We shall see.

The whole Brexit episode is a giant clusterf*uck. :-\

Does it really need to be so difficult and complicated? :-\

Apeaser May at her most useless, who would of guessed it with her track record of disasters. :D :D :D
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Varche on 06 July 2018, 21:09:16
Well a collective agreement has been reached by the cabinet.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 06 July 2018, 21:13:17
Which will last until about 9am tomorrow morning.  ::)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: STEMO on 06 July 2018, 21:31:19
Which ever way you look at it, it's going to be an abortion of an agreement. Even if the Europeans, by some miracle, agreed with the plan the government has formulated, there will be so much ambiguity and red tape that everything will seize up.
I can see squabbling for the next ten years.......unless we get a no deal.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: STEMO on 06 July 2018, 21:46:24
In fact, no deal is the only deal. If that means an Irish border....well.....Eire fought for independence and, as an independent country joined the EU.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 06 July 2018, 22:00:32
Couldn't agree more.  :y :y...…….fick em.  :)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Varche on 06 July 2018, 22:06:11
There is more detail onthebbcwebsite for example.

I noted the bit where it says and plans for a no deal scenario will continue. Good negotiating tool. Right from the outset I said trade trumps all. It will be interesting to see EU reactions in their respective countries papers tomorrow or when the white paper is actually published.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Rods2 on 07 July 2018, 10:50:32
Appeaser May's latest offer seems like a poor sell out by our remoaner politicians. Lack of criticism by the BBC gives a good clue on this. I don't think the EU commission wants a deal or the French government (until they lose our agricultural products market, but it will be too late then :y), so I still expect the no deal option to happen. With what Appeaser May has offered especially the 'customs union' in all but name is going to severely restrict future ROW trade deals, so a no deal and WTO rules will be a blessing in disguise.

The good news is that our ROW trade balance is positive and with no EU deal I expect our negative EU trade balance to quite quickly disappear, where history shows if you are the bigger trade partner, where the EU is, it hits surplace countries more when there is trade friction by caused by one party, where we will replace expensive EU agricultural and German manufactured goods with ROW cheaper alternatives. :y

For the EU commission and their political project, to them politics is always much more important than any economic consequences, whereas in reality economics long term always, but always trumps politics, which is why long term the EU will fail. :y There nightmare is a successful post-Brexit UK, where we have escaped this largely French protectionist trading block which is losing global market share at double the rate of the US, with most EU countries outside of Germany and economic Germanic centric countries having a constant near zero or worse post Euro adoption GDP growth and high unemployment, epitomized by Italy, Portugal, Greece and to a slightly lessor extent France itself. Protectionist trade policies only stave off global competitiveness reality by making import duties on cheaper better overseas goods more expensive for your citizens as the protection of you uncompetitive industries make you economically weaker and weaker (1970's UK is a good example with coal, steel, ship building and BL all heavily subsidised), until it no longer can be sustained and at that point they will realise how much global trade they have lost and can only start to slowly claw this back through very painful economic readjustment. :o
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 07 July 2018, 11:15:02
Protectionist trade policies only stave off global competitiveness reality by making import duties on cheaper better overseas goods more expensive for your citizens as the protection of you uncompetitive industries make you economically weaker and weaker (1970's UK is a good example with coal, steel, ship building and BL all heavily subsidised), until it no longer can be sustained and at that point they will realise how much global trade they have lost and can only start to slowly claw this back through very painful economic readjustment. :o

You should write in to Mr Trump with this point Rods!  :y
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 07 July 2018, 11:38:46
Looks like a hokey cokey Brexit. One foot in, one foot out. In, out , shake it all about.

I listened to Lord Digby Jones speaking yesterday and he said he completely agreed with what James Dyson had said on how the negotiations should have been conducted. Theresa should have walked into a meeting with Barnier, a year or so ago, slapped down some papers on the table, told him that's what the UK intended to do, and then walked out of the room and waited for them to respond.
The woman defies medical science by walking upright without a spine.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 July 2018, 12:17:52
I wouldn't  call her proposal Brexit. It certainly isn't BREXIT MEANS BREXIT.

She has finally come down firmly on the side of the remain camp and big business and sent out a big f*uck you to the 17.4 million people who voted to leave.

Also, this is the starting point of her negotiation with the EU. They will probably insist it is watered down even further. :-X

It looks as the EU are still holding the reins.   
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 July 2018, 12:23:44
That nice Mr Rees Mogg has just said that a softly boiled egg isn't a boiled egg at all.

I think he refers to Brexit rather than telling cook off for being a lazy  working class oink who should be grateful he has given her employment. :)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 07 July 2018, 12:27:15
I like JRM.  :y

He's kinda sinister underneath the oldy worldy gentlemanness that he portrays.  ;D
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 July 2018, 12:29:55
I like JRM.  :y

He's kinda sinister underneath the oldy worldy gentlemanness that he portrays.  ;D

Yep.....as Minister for the 18th century bringing back slavery is high on his list of political priorities. ::)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 07 July 2018, 12:38:35
I like JRM.  :y

He's kinda sinister underneath the oldy worldy gentlemanness that he portrays.  ;D

Yep.....as Minister for the 18th century bringing back slavery is high on his list of political priorities. ::)

Along with the press gangs!  :)

If he becomes PM, be careful on a night out in Plymouth or Portsmouth!  :o  ;D
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 07 July 2018, 15:28:26
Which will last until about 9am tomorrow morning.  ::)
The agreement or the cabinet... ::)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Rods2 on 07 July 2018, 20:56:28
Protectionist trade policies only stave off global competitiveness reality by making import duties on cheaper better overseas goods more expensive for your citizens as the protection of you uncompetitive industries make you economically weaker and weaker (1970's UK is a good example with coal, steel, ship building and BL all heavily subsidised), until it no longer can be sustained and at that point they will realise how much global trade they have lost and can only start to slowly claw this back through very painful economic readjustment. :o

You should write in to Mr Trump with this point Rods!  :y

Looks like that may work in our favour as trump wants a US-UK FTA negotiated asap. The EU as a protectionist block, what Trump has said over EU tariffs on food and cars imported into the EU compared with EU tariffs is correct and it looks like he is going to start a new front on his trade war over it. Trade wars like wars are a clumsy way of dealing with things but in the murky world of geopolitics it makes sense for us to take advantage of anything advantageous on the table.

Geopolitical strategist George Friedman in his book "Flash points: The emerging crisis in Europe" makes a very good point about the UK where we have to balance our US and European geopolitical and trade interests, where our biggest single trading country is the US and our single biggest trading area is the EU.

Where for the last 40 years we have concentrated too much on Europe and the EU on trade, turning our backs to much of the rest of the world, this with Brexit is being rebalanced. Appeaser May is trying to have her cake and eat it With her level of incompetence we may well end up with the worst of everything globally. Locked into the EU with no say and ECJ compliance and not being able to do FTA deals with the rest of the world or having to muddle through and renegotiate things at a great cost and damage to the UK once she has gone in the future.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: aaronjb on 07 July 2018, 21:44:50
It looks as the EU are still holding the reins.

Reins? I think they are wearing the strapon.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 07 July 2018, 23:14:45
Well, the collective responsibility didn't last long. Boris has apparently been telling people its like "trying to polish a turd".  ;D ;D
I can see Theresa being knifed in the back in the very near future.  ::)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Rods2 on 08 July 2018, 01:02:53
Well, the collective responsibility didn't last long. Boris has apparently been telling people its like "trying to polish a turd".  ;D ;D
I can see Theresa being knifed in the back in the very near future.  ::)

I always thought Theresa polished her own face before troweling the disguising facial slap on. ::)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 July 2018, 10:54:32
It looks as the EU are still holding the reins.

Reins? I think they are wearing the strapon.

I can imagine Angela Merkel so attired.

Bend over Boris you've been a very naughty boy. ;D
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: STEMO on 08 July 2018, 12:41:30
It looks as the EU are still holding the reins.

Reins? I think they are wearing the strapon.

I can imagine Angela Merkel so attired.

Bend over Boris you've been a very naughty boy. ;D
OOO   OOOO    I've just made a mess in my trousers.  :-[
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 July 2018, 14:00:19
It looks as the EU are still holding the reins.

Reins? I think they are wearing the strapon.

I can imagine Angela Merkel so attired.

Bend over Boris you've been a very naughty boy. ;D
OOO   OOOO    I've just made a mess in my trousers.  :-[

What colour is it? :)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 July 2018, 18:35:07
It looks as the EU are still holding the reins.

Reins? I think they are wearing the strapon.

I can imagine Angela Merkel so attired.

Bend over Boris you've been a very naughty boy. ;D
OOO   OOOO    I've just made a mess in my trousers.  :-[

What colour is it? :)

Not brown and runny I hope. :-X
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: STEMO on 08 July 2018, 19:01:20
It looks as the EU are still holding the reins.

Reins? I think they are wearing the strapon.

I can imagine Angela Merkel so attired.

Bend over Boris you've been a very naughty boy. ;D
OOO   OOOO    I've just made a mess in my trousers.  :-[

What colour is it? :)

Not brown and runny I hope. :-X
No, silly, I spilt my milk shake.  ;D
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 July 2018, 19:55:22
It looks as the EU are still holding the reins.

Reins? I think they are wearing the strapon.

I can imagine Angela Merkel so attired.

Bend over Boris you've been a very naughty boy. ;D
OOO   OOOO    I've just made a mess in my trousers.  :-[

What colour is it? :)

Not brown and runny I hope. :-X
No, silly, I spilt my milk shake.  ;D


Is that a euphemism for something sexual or do I need help? :)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: ronnyd on 09 July 2018, 00:05:15
Just read on BBC that David Davis has resigned from the Government Because of Theresa Mays "Brexit" plans.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 09 July 2018, 00:37:53
The Maybot's crappy BRINO plan will unravel pretty quickly I think.  :)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Rods2 on 09 July 2018, 01:09:15
You mean something minor like David Davis resigning saying he couldn't sell out his own country. Steve Baker Brexit minister has also resigned. :y :y :y Good to see they've done the right thing & not tried to polish May's tu*d. :y :y :y

The leader of the 1922 committee inbox is full of letters calling for a new leader. :-X Appeaser May deserves to fall on her sword where she has used remainer advisors to cobble together her latest ice cream Brexit which has quickly gone into a summer heatwave meltdown. :o Using her advisors to go over the cabinet is an obvious & stupid management mistake, when you deliver something on which they had no input & therefore wouldn't buy into, all it has done is cause much resentment, the stupid woman. It also sounds like she is also going to be stupid enough to try and tough this one out which will mean it will be another failure & she will fall. Her leadership & Brexit fiasco has her style stamped all over it, another total shambles & colossal failure, who would have expected or thought it, with her track record. ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Varche on 09 July 2018, 07:18:10
You could not make it up. “ Brexit” will be a two minute item in any other business at the next EU council meeting later this month.

Who would take the vacant job of Brexit secretary now Davis has gone? Whoever takes it might only be in the job for a week! Mind you that might be enough to attract a big pension?


I am thinking no deal exit OR total collapse and we stay in the EU.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: STEMO on 09 July 2018, 08:10:50
You could not make it up. “ Brexit” will be a two minute item in any other business at the next EU council meeting later this month.

Who would take the vacant job of Brexit secretary now Davis has gone? Whoever takes it might only be in the job for a week! Mind you that might be enough to attract a big pension?


I am thinking no deal exit OR total collapse and we stay in the EU.
Michael Gove.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: aaronjb on 09 July 2018, 08:48:49
I am thinking no deal exit OR total collapse and we stay in the EU.

Seems like the Conservative government will collapse, Corbyn will be elected in a snap general election, students and young people of the country will rejoice while the rest of us see tax hikes the likes of which living memory won't recall.

And we'll still be in the EU.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: chrisio on 09 July 2018, 09:15:11
Im not a massive politics fan in any way shape or form.  However I said right at the start of all of this that we wouldn't leave Europe or that if we did then it would be so watered down we would be better off staying in Europe. 

I personally think this whole thing has been engineered by the government as a way to keep us in Europe at any cost.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Mister Rog on 09 July 2018, 09:21:59
Im not a massive politics fan in any way shape or form.  However I said right at the start of all of this that we wouldn't leave Europe or that if we did then it would be so watered down we would be better off staying in Europe. 

I personally think this whole thing has been engineered by the government as a way to keep us in Europe at any cost.

Remember that at the time of the referendum, and before she was PM, Teresa May canvassed to remain in the EU
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Nick W on 09 July 2018, 10:06:27
Im not a massive politics fan in any way shape or form.  However I said right at the start of all of this that we wouldn't leave Europe or that if we did then it would be so watered down we would be better off staying in Europe. 

I personally think this whole thing has been engineered by the government as a way to keep us in Europe at any cost.


Rubbish, they couldn't engineer a screwed up piece of paper. This is what happens when you go into something disunited, with no leader, plan or consistent ideology. The EU no different; the bureaucrats and politicians in charge couldn't conceive that anyone would want to leave, so they have no procedure that states how to do it beyond stating you want to. And the British electorate is just as culpable in the debacle; we should have told the government that they clearly weren't prepared for a referendum and to come back with a proper plan.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 09 July 2018, 10:47:42
The civil service, the rest of the establishment, some of the cabinet, the media, and most of the opposition have deliberately created a situation where the EU know that a full proper Brexit is going to be a really tough thing to deliver in the UK.
This combined with Mrs weak & wobbly  behaving like a scared mouse, has greatly strengthened the EU hand against the UK.
They know that they have a strong hand, politically because of this and are determine to give us a deal which in other circumstances would be ludicrous.
When David Davis obviously became completely sidelined from doing the job his department was created for, and his job effectively taken by Olly Robins - a hardcore europhile who is a mere civil servant, they knew that they  were going to be offered something by Theresa which is a very watered down Brexit.
They will now feel confident enough to negotiate watering it down even more, to the point where its meaningless. Brino in other words.
Its crunch time now. Either she has to go and be replaced by someone stronger and more competent, or our democracy is dead.

Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 09 July 2018, 10:53:42
The civil service, the rest of the establishment, some of the cabinet, the media, and most of the opposition have deliberately created a situation where the EU know that a full proper Brexit is going to be a really tough thing to deliver in the UK.
This combined with Mrs weak & wobbly  behaving like a scared mouse, has greatly strengthened the EU hand against the UK.
They know that they have a strong hand, politically because of this and are determine to give us a deal which in other circumstances would be ludicrous.
When David Davis obviously became completely sidelined from doing the job his department was created for, and his job effectively taken by Olly Robins - a hardcore europhile who is a mere civil servant, they knew that they  were going to be offered something by Theresa which is a very watered down Brexit.
They will now feel confident enough to negotiate watering it down even more, to the point where its meaningless. Brino in other words.
Its crunch time now. Either she has to go and be replaced by someone stronger and more competent, or our democracy is dead.

Yes.....but why don't Boris and Gove speak out?

Seems strange they have meekly gone along with it all.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 July 2018, 11:05:15
There was never going to be any more than  a 'no deal/WTO Brexit'.

Which was clear at the time of the referendum. All this pissing around is doing is weakening the government rather than spending time concreting trade deals outside the EU... Which would be far more constructive  ::)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 09 July 2018, 11:09:01
Apparently they said they didn't like it, but would support her for the sake of unity and break the logjam. David Davis says (rightly in my view) that the EU will see this as a starting point rather than the finish.
More chaos to come I fear, because the establishment and global corporations are determined that the will of the people must be ignored and the agenda is to muddy the waters and hope to con people into accepting it.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 09 July 2018, 11:10:30
There was never going to be any more than  a 'no deal/WTO Brexit'.

Which was clear at the time of the referendum. All this pissing around is doing is weakening the government rather than spending time concreting trade deals outside the EU... Which would be far more constructive  ::)

Problem is, in the two wasted years since the referendum, the vested interests have spent their time trying to convince everyone that "No deal" is a fate worse than death.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Viral_Jim on 09 July 2018, 11:15:25
I personally think this whole thing has been engineered by the government as a way to keep us in Europe at any cost.

This. Personally I think that the government think that if they make a big enough balls up of it, people will think we're better off staying in.

But in any event, it'll be nice to have another general election. There hasn't been one in a while   ::)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 July 2018, 11:18:05
No deal is opportunity. On a plate. With a ribbon.

A fate worse than death would be another Liebour government. I can only hope that I get a permanent contract and a bit saved up to be able to escape when that happens :-\
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 09 July 2018, 11:34:38
Agreed.  :y
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: aaronjb on 09 July 2018, 12:08:08
A fate worse than death would be another Liebour government. I can only hope that I get a permanent contract and a bit saved up to be able to escape when that happens :-\

Best stop looking at new cars then, Al, as I reckon you've got six months, tops!  ;)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 July 2018, 12:19:45
That might be tight :-\
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Raeturbo on 09 July 2018, 12:20:32
Yes I agree too. We need to get some backbone lay our cards on the table and all that crap then get then fk out of the quagmire. Fkg hell just leave mun. Glad to see some resignations, gives a little hope for those of us who voted Out, out, out! Err Out.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 July 2018, 13:02:42
That might be tight :-\
Actually, it could be nearer 20 months... as they won't be able to touch the income tax rates until the 2020/21 tax year.

Gives me 6-7 months to get squared away, plus a year to save and escape...

That should be an achievable goal. 8)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: STEMO on 09 July 2018, 13:32:12
That might be tight :-\
Actually, it could be nearer 20 months... as they won't be able to touch the income tax rates until the 2020/21 tax year.

Gives me 6-7 months to get squared away, plus a year to save and escape...

That should be an achievable goal. 8)
If labour got in, they would touch the income tax rates in their first financial statement. No need to honour tory pledges.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: redelitev6 on 09 July 2018, 14:18:00
Shambles from the moment the referendum was called , it's enough to make you weep  >:(
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: STEMO on 09 July 2018, 15:01:04
Boris has gone, too. Oh dear  ;D
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Viral_Jim on 09 July 2018, 15:05:21
Sit down and strap in then, going to be a bumpy brexit  ;D
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: STEMO on 09 July 2018, 15:08:27
Boris as Prime Minister. Oh God.......we're doooooooomed.  ;D
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Viral_Jim on 09 July 2018, 15:11:39
Hmm. Boris, JRM and Gove.

Three men of the people if ever I saw 'am lol
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: STEMO on 09 July 2018, 15:22:09
I'm actually starting to look at Jeremy Corbyn as a safer bet. We'll be skint, eventually, but at least we'll have a party first.  :o
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 09 July 2018, 17:00:00
Sit down and strap in then, going to be a bumpy brexit  ;D

....or a no brexit. :)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Nick W on 09 July 2018, 17:18:20
Hmm. Boris, JRM and Gove.

Three men of the people if ever I saw 'am lol


None of them have any credentials as an opposition leader, let alone PM. This will make the last Tory leadership race look like it was carefully planned by a united party. The next six months will prove to be interesting.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 09 July 2018, 18:05:07
The woman should show a bit of dignity and do Kevin Keegan - "Ive tried my best, but the truth is, Im just not up to this job".
She looks utterly ridiculous now, trying to appear in control, while having the support of almost no-one.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 09 July 2018, 18:33:24
Gerard Batten called the policy a surrender document today. Hard to disagree with imo.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 09 July 2018, 18:42:46
I don't trust Gove.

He is a smarmy bastard. Devious and untrustworthy.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: STEMO on 09 July 2018, 18:50:15
I don't trust Gove.

He is a smarmy bastard. Devious and untrustworthy.
Well...I mean....look at him. Can you imagine how many thrashings and bummings he took at school? He's on a revenge mission  ;D
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 09 July 2018, 18:56:13
That would explain a lot about him.  ;D
The only realistic candidate who springs to mind when they knife Theresa is David Davis. Boris wants it so bad he can taste it, but I think the novelty has worn off with voters. Everyone thinks he is a dickhead now.
I do like the honourable member for the 18th century though. I would be happy to see him in number 10. Cant see it happening though.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Varche on 09 July 2018, 19:15:43
Jeremy Clarkson with May and Hammond doing Brexit as a stunt for TV.

Studio audience of MEP’s

Star in a reasonably priced car crash could be Boris.

Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 09 July 2018, 19:38:23
Clarkson and James May both campaigned for REMAIN durung the referendum campaign.  ;)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 July 2018, 19:44:28
Why?  ???
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: STEMO on 09 July 2018, 19:50:25
Because they travel all over Europe driving Ferraris and Mercedes.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Varche on 09 July 2018, 19:53:32
Clarkson and James May both campaigned for REMAIN durung the referendum campaign.  ;)

Perfect for BRINO.

It is hard to think clearly over the thunderous noise of reform and change coming from the EU.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 09 July 2018, 20:17:59
Why?  ???

Clarkson was a neighbour of and in the same social group as the Camerons. Don't know what Mays excuse was, but he looked a bit embarrassed and half hearted while advising the nation that we are better in than out.  ::)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 09 July 2018, 21:11:22
Jeremy the Hunt is the new foreign secretary. That's scraping the bottom of the barrel.  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Rods2 on 09 July 2018, 21:52:45
Have the 1922 Committee setup a meeting yet to discuss the pile of new leadership letters? :)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Mister Rog on 09 July 2018, 22:27:07
Have the 1922 Committee setup a meeting yet to discuss the pile of new leadership letters? :)

I have a sense of impending doom.

Cameron screwed up by calling the referendum in the first place due to weakness. This make people actually think about it. Never a good idea

TM has screwed up big time, due to weakness and appeasement, and fear

I fear a General Election is looming. Ok, fine

Except, that I will vote for anybody that has the best chance of keeping Corbyn and McDonnell out of Nos 10 & 11

Yes, even bring back Millipede or Bliar ! Bloody hell did I actually say that  :o

The only remotely sensible outcome is that Boris can put a viable alternative leadership bid together. He can't possibly be worse than any of the other options. Certainly no worse that the currrent Labour shadow front bench.



Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Raeturbo on 09 July 2018, 22:29:46
Diane Abbot now that’s scary :'(
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Mister Rog on 09 July 2018, 22:46:44
Diane Abbot now that’s scary :'(

Another major reason why Corbyn should not get to No 10. What hold does she have on him that enables her to keep her job ? Answers on a postcard . . . . 
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Nick W on 10 July 2018, 00:09:28



The only remotely sensible outcome is that Boris can put a viable alternative leadership bid together. He can't possibly be worse than any of the other options. Certainly no worse that the currrent Labour shadow front bench.


You must be joking?


Boris has been the Tory party's 'comedy' distraction for some time, as that's all he's good for. Any useful skills he might have had were beaten out of him a long time ago. The Tories have been short of any potentially capable leader for at least 2 decades, and they're now so badly oppsed that anyone who thinks they want the job should be considered so dangerously deluded that a bullet would be a good idea. Unfortunately, they are the governing party, which means  the country is also oppsed. The alternatives are different, but aren't really any better.


The blind patriotic optimism that is currently so popular is not going to do us any good without a coldly rational plan of what we want, how we're going to do it AND the political clout to carry it through. If ANYONE has those things, where have they been hiding?
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 10 July 2018, 00:43:01
All of the above may be true, but it would still be a lot worse if we had a marxist in number 10 who should have been hung for treason 30 years ago.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: aaronjb on 10 July 2018, 08:21:48
All of the above may be true, but it would still be a lot worse if we had a marxist in number 10 who should have been hung for treason 30 years ago.

If he's not in by Christmas, with Diane Mathematics Abbott as Deputy, I'll eat my hat..
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Mister Rog on 10 July 2018, 09:09:26
All of the above may be true, but it would still be a lot worse if we had a marxist in number 10 who should have been hung for treason 30 years ago.

Exactly

I'd vote for Mickey Mouse or the Antichrist rather than the current Labour leadership


Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 10 July 2018, 09:10:44
All of the above may be true, but it would still be a lot worse if we had a marxist in number 10 who should have been hung for treason 30 years ago.

Exactly

I'd vote for Mickey Mouse or the Antichrist rather than Labour.
Fixed.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Mister Rog on 10 July 2018, 11:09:24
All of the above may be true, but it would still be a lot worse if we had a marxist in number 10 who should have been hung for treason 30 years ago.

Exactly

I'd vote for Mickey Mouse or the Antichrist rather than Labour.
Fixed.

Well, ok

The problem is that there just isn't any party that I could really be happy with. It's all a case of "best of a bad lot"

Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: STEMO on 10 July 2018, 11:24:27
All of the above may be true, but it would still be a lot worse if we had a marxist in number 10 who should have been hung for treason 30 years ago.

Exactly

I'd vote for Mickey Mouse or the Antichrist rather than Labour.
Fixed.

Well, ok

The problem is that there just isn't any party that I could really be happy with. It's all a case of "best of a bad lot"
It's never been any different.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 10 July 2018, 11:25:12
When the GE is called, there should be a massive campaign to get as many people as possible to bother to vote. This is important because it is a fundamental right of a democratic process. All those who turn out should then spoil their ballot papers with 'None of the above'...

This should be a significant wake up call to the system, and whilst I appreciate that simply not bothering to vote will have the same effect, apathy is far less symbolic than action.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: aaronjb on 10 July 2018, 11:37:58
It's all a case of "best of a bad lot"

And that's how America ended up with Donald ;)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 10 July 2018, 12:36:53
It's all a case of "best of a bad lot"

And that's how America ended up with Donald ;)

Yep...a choice between an untrustworthy girlie or a ginger "pussy grabber". ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: tigers_gonads on 10 July 2018, 13:45:28
Give me the pussy grabber any day  ;D
Even if he is ginger  :D
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 10 July 2018, 13:50:34
Give me the pussy grabber any day  ;D
Even if he is ginger  :D

I imagine you've grabbed a few ginger pussies up there in darkest Hull, Mr Gonads. :)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: tigers_gonads on 10 July 2018, 15:24:32
Give me the pussy grabber any day  ;D
Even if he is ginger  :D

I imagine you've grabbed a few ginger pussies up there in darkest Hull, Mr Gonads. :)





I can sort of remember one time .....................


And yes it was dark, thank god  ;D
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 10 July 2018, 15:38:36
Give me the pussy grabber any day  ;D
Even if he is ginger  :D

I imagine you've grabbed a few ginger pussies up there in darkest Hull, Mr Gonads. :)





I can sort of remember one time .....................


And yes it was dark, thank god  ;D

Nothing wrong with a ginger minge. :)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: omegod on 10 July 2018, 15:55:06
I would welcome Corbyn as PM with open arms,  but DA can sod off
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 10 July 2018, 16:12:23
Are you stoned/drunk/insane/had a bump on the head? * :o

*delete as applicable.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 10 July 2018, 17:08:45
I would welcome Corbyn as PM with open arms,  but DA can sod off

Please watch some old footage of the atrocities committed by the IRA, then research just how strong his support for them was.
He should have been hung for treason, and McDonnell is worse, if that's possible.
The friendly old uncle image is nothing more than an act. Behind the mask is something close to evil.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: STEMO on 10 July 2018, 17:09:18
Are you stoned/drunk/insane/had a bump on the head? * :o

*delete as applicable.
I think you'll find a sizeable part of the electorate will be voting for him if there is an election. That's why we have them, you see, so that people who have different views to yours can make those views known.
I remember on here the days before the brexit vote.....anyone who voted to leave was stoned/drunk/insane, but we know what happened there.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: omegod on 10 July 2018, 17:29:57
Are you stoned/drunk/insane/had a bump on the head? * :o

*delete as applicable.

No deletion required thanks, If you need binoculars to see the evil that is practiced by the majority of the Tory party and their recent policies then I have a spare pair.   
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: STEMO on 10 July 2018, 18:22:50
I would welcome Corbyn as PM with open arms,  but DA can sod off

Please watch some old footage of the atrocities committed by the IRA, then research just how strong his support for them was.
He should have been hung for treason, and McDonnell is worse, if that's possible.
The friendly old uncle image is nothing more than an act. Behind the mask is something close to evil.
Margaret thatcher closed all the mines up here, completely devastating whole communities. Far more relevant to people than what happened 'over the water'.
When she died, and her funeral was on tv, the good people round here built a bonfire and put an effigy of her on it. Hard to argue with that depth of feeling.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 10 July 2018, 18:33:42
I would welcome Corbyn as PM with open arms,  but DA can sod off

Please watch some old footage of the atrocities committed by the IRA, then research just how strong his support for them was.
He should have been hung for treason, and McDonnell is worse, if that's possible.
The friendly old uncle image is nothing more than an act. Behind the mask is something close to evil.
Margaret thatcher closed all the mines up here, completely devastating whole communities. Far more relevant to people than what happened 'over the water'.
When she died, and her funeral was on tv, the good people round here built a bonfire and put an effigy of her on it. Hard to argue with that depth of feeling.

Yep......Thatcher divided the country. Pissing off the North of the country does not make a good PM.

By the time she was knifed in the back by her own party in 1990 she was as mad as a March hare anyway. :)

Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 10 July 2018, 18:57:55
Are you stoned/drunk/insane/had a bump on the head? * :o

*delete as applicable.
I think you'll find a sizeable part of the electorate will be voting for him if there is an election. That's why we have them, you see, so that people who have different views to yours can make those views known.
I remember on here the days before the brexit vote.....anyone who voted to leave was stoned/drunk/insane, but we know what happened there.

Actually STEMO I remember as a remainer that I was considered all of the above and more!  Funny how we all have a different perception of things! ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: omegod on 10 July 2018, 19:03:25
Yeah the Corbyn / IRA link has been very well promoted by the Stasi completely unbiased BBC.  Estimates of between 3095 and 30,000 killed by Pinochet, didn't stop Thatcher sticking her nose up his a*se, 
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 10 July 2018, 19:09:45
Are you stoned/drunk/insane/had a bump on the head? * :o

*delete as applicable.
I think you'll find a sizeable part of the electorate will be voting for him if there is an election. That's why we have them, you see, so that people who have different views to yours can make those views known.
I remember on here the days before the brexit vote.....anyone who voted to leave was stoned/drunk/insane, but we know what happened there.

Actually STEMO I remember as a remainer that I was considered all of the above and more!  Funny how we all have a different perception of things! ;D ;D ;)

Yep...it was the remainers like Lizzie and myself who were considered unhinged. I would say about 80% of OOF voted to leave. Having said that I have never been a fan of the EU. It is deeply flawed. It just seemed to me that to remain was the 'least worst' option.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 10 July 2018, 19:14:09
Now we are leaving I would prefer we leave 'properly'.......none of this soft brexit crap. That isn't leaving at all. :-\

We have this dilemma. We want to leave but seem intent on clinging to the EU because it's a big bad world out there.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 10 July 2018, 19:14:48
His own words and his own deeds. Nothing to do with bias.
Pinochet aside, this was supporting the slaughter and maiming of British men , women, children, soldiers, police etc etc within the UK for 30 years. He even invited the IRA leadership to the commons as his personal guests, weeks after they had attmpted to murder the whole elected British Govt.
In his simple world view, anyone who is left wing, anti capitalist, anti West, anti U.S. or anti U.K is someone he can call a friend.
I truly cannot understand how any British person could vote for him and his gang.
Btwe, Ive never voted Tory in my life.

Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 10 July 2018, 19:26:13
His own words and his own deeds. Nothing to do with bias.
Pinochet aside, this was supporting the slaughter and maiming of British men , women, children, soldiers, police etc etc within the UK for 30 years. He even invited the IRA leadership to the commons as his personal guests, weeks after they had attmpted to murder the whole elected British Govt.
In his simple world view, anyone who is left wing, anti capitalist, anti West, anti U.S. or anti U.K is someone he can call a friend.
I truly cannot understand how any British person could vote for him and his gang.
Btwe, Ive never voted Tory in my life.

Neither have I.

I would also have some difficulty voting for old Jezza.

He seems to represent the past rather than the future. It would be 1977 forever if he became PM. :D
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: STEMO on 10 July 2018, 19:34:10
Are you stoned/drunk/insane/had a bump on the head? * :o

*delete as applicable.
I think you'll find a sizeable part of the electorate will be voting for him if there is an election. That's why we have them, you see, so that people who have different views to yours can make those views known.
I remember on here the days before the brexit vote.....anyone who voted to leave was stoned/drunk/insane, but we know what happened there.

Actually STEMO I remember as a remainer that I was considered all of the above and more!  Funny how we all have a different perception of things! ;D ;D ;)
Yes, I meant remain, sorry.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 10 July 2018, 19:37:32
Are you stoned/drunk/insane/had a bump on the head? * :o

*delete as applicable.
I think you'll find a sizeable part of the electorate will be voting for him if there is an election. That's why we have them, you see, so that people who have different views to yours can make those views known.
I remember on here the days before the brexit vote.....anyone who voted to leave was stoned/drunk/insane, but we know what happened there.

Actually STEMO I remember as a remainer that I was considered all of the above and more!  Funny how we all have a different perception of things! ;D ;D ;)
Yes, I meant remain, sorry.

You are elderly and confused. Of course you are forgiven. :)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 10 July 2018, 21:24:40
Now we are leaving I would prefer we leave 'properly'.......none of this soft brexit crap. That isn't leaving at all. :-\

We have this dilemma. We want to leave but seem intent on clinging to the EU because it's a big bad world out there.

I think that Boris Johnson summed it up in his resignation letter saying that the dream is dying, suffocated by needless self doubt.   :(
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Nick W on 10 July 2018, 22:01:08
I think that Boris Johnson summed it up in his resignation letter saying that the dream is dying, suffocated by needless self doubt.   :(


He was one of the leading leave campaigners, in a senior government position. And yet the first we hear of his dissatisfaction with the process is his resignation.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 10 July 2018, 22:29:26
Gagged from speaking out by the position. Now unencumbered, he is as free as us to speak out...

Unless that was your sarcastic face ::)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 10 July 2018, 22:38:47
I think that Boris Johnson summed it up in his resignation letter saying that the dream is dying, suffocated by needless self doubt.   :(


He was one of the leading leave campaigners, in a senior government position. And yet the first we hear of his dissatisfaction with the process is his resignation.

Where have you been?  ???

Boris was probably the most outspoken Minister in favour of BREXIT over the last couple of years. ::)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Raeturbo on 10 July 2018, 23:46:01
I think that Boris Johnson summed it up in his resignation letter saying that the dream is dying, suffocated by needless self doubt.   :(


He was one of the leading leave campaigners, in a senior government position. And yet the first we hear of his dissatisfaction with the process is his resignation.

Where have you been?  ???

Boris was probably the most outspoken Minister in favour of BREXIT over the last couple of years. ::)
. Err that’s what he said??
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: aaronjb on 11 July 2018, 09:02:04
I think you'll find a sizeable part of the electorate will be voting for him if there is an election.

I know people who are positively wetting themselves in anticipation of being able to vote him in - good union members and young people in low paid jobs who believe he will be their saviour, mostly.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Viral_Jim on 11 July 2018, 10:30:05
I know people who are positively wetting themselves in anticipation of being able to vote him in - good union members and young people in low paid jobs who believe he will be their saviour, mostly.

For young ppl, its quite hard to argue with tbh.

Since 2009 (so practically living memory for the 18-25 yo's), their benefits have been cut, as have funds to help access to education, housing benefit vs rent, the rise zero hrs contracts meaning a lack of secure employment, but meanwhile support for the benefits which most benefit the older generations (triple lock on pensions, tax breaks for the wealthy) have stayed firmly in place.

I'm not saying Corbyn is the answer, or even the better alternative. But from their p.o.v. any port in a storm.  ::)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: tigers_gonads on 11 July 2018, 10:47:37
I know people who are positively wetting themselves in anticipation of being able to vote him in - good union members and young people in low paid jobs who believe he will be their saviour, mostly.

For young ppl, its quite hard to argue with tbh.

Since 2009 (so practically living memory for the 18-25 yo's), their benefits have been cut, as have funds to help access to education, housing benefit vs rent, the rise zero hrs contracts meaning a lack of secure employment, but meanwhile support for the benefits which most benefit the older generations (triple lock on pensions, tax breaks for the wealthy) have stayed firmly in place.

I'm not saying Corbyn is the answer, or even the better alternative. But from their p.o.v. any port in a storm.  ::)




You can add to that the so called joke which is the Working Wage which since the mass migration from Eastern Europe of un / semi skilled workers has become the norm  >:( >:(


And believe me, i've never voted labour in my life and if i'm honest, i'd be towards the front of the queue to but a bullet in that traitorous Cee U Next Tuesday Corbin  ;)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 11 July 2018, 11:06:40
The working/minimum wage provides a target to aim down at. Besides, if all those expecting the government (us) to pay for their housing etc actually had the mind to do the work that the immigrants do, then perhaps they might get better contracts/money... Genuine zero hour contracts actually pay a decent rate because they provide labour for infrastructure.

Shitty shop jobs have low rates and hours to a) maximise profit... If no one worked for these companies then, again, a radical rethink would see wholesale changes to the employment market both in terms of wages and job security. The side effect of this would be an increase in cost which would affect all of us* b) make employment numbers look better... Government won't change this, if anything the lefties will actively encourage this behavior.

There's plenty of work around, if you can be arsed to do it. So no sympathy from me there.

*I would wager that this extra cost on products/services would actually work out cheaper for everyone by way of higher wages than the burden of supporting those who won't work.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: STEMO on 11 July 2018, 12:32:10
This chap at the dispatch box today, David Liddington, I think, reminds me of 'Yes, Prime Minister'.
He looks like Nigel Hawthorne.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 11 July 2018, 12:39:01
This chap at the dispatch box today, David Liddington, I think, reminds me of 'Yes, Prime Minister'.
He looks like Nigel Hawthorne.

Can't remember his name, but the actor I remember most from 'Yes Minister' played second fiddle to Basil Brush.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: STEMO on 11 July 2018, 12:46:11
Derek Fowlds.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 11 July 2018, 12:53:47
Derek Fowlds.


Sounds familiar. Same actor as in Heartbeat.....I think.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: STEMO on 11 July 2018, 12:54:44
Derek Fowlds.


Sounds familiar. Same actor as in Heartbeat.....I think.
Yep, but he had a face like a chewed caramel in heartbeat.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 11 July 2018, 12:59:38
Derek Fowlds.


Sounds familiar. Same actor as in Heartbeat.....I think.
Yep, but he had a face like a chewed caramel in heartbeat.

Yes.....ugly old bastard.

Fortunately I have defied the ageing process and look exactly as I did when I was 21. :)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: STEMO on 11 July 2018, 13:01:57
Derek Fowlds.


Sounds familiar. Same actor as in Heartbeat.....I think.
Yep, but he had a face like a chewed caramel in heartbeat.

Yes.....ugly old bastard.

Fortunately I have defied the ageing process and look exactly as I did when I was 21. :)
Yes, but you looked 60 when you were 21. ;D
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: tigers_gonads on 11 July 2018, 14:50:56
The working/minimum wage provides a target to aim down at. Besides, if all those expecting the government (us) to pay for their housing etc actually had the mind to do the work that the immigrants do, then perhaps they might get better contracts/money... Genuine zero hour contracts actually pay a decent rate because they provide labour for infrastructure.

Shitty shop jobs have low rates and hours to a) maximise profit... If no one worked for these companies then, again, a radical rethink would see wholesale changes to the employment market both in terms of wages and job security. The side effect of this would be an increase in cost which would affect all of us* b) make employment numbers look better... Government won't change this, if anything the lefties will actively encourage this behavior.

There's plenty of work around, if you can be arsed to do it. So no sympathy from me there.

*I would wager that this extra cost on products/services would actually work out cheaper for everyone by way of higher wages than the burden of supporting those who won't work.


In your part of the world maybe but not everywhere  ::)

No offence but your a southerner and unless you have lived up here for a big chunk of your life, you really haven't a clue what its like up north   :-* :D

This country has been split in two for best part of 60 years.
Up here, work for the common man and women came from manufacturing and production.
Whether you was a skilled person with a trade, a so called semi skilled person with skills who supported the skilled people OR you swept the mess up on the floor.
Either way, you worked in a factory because that is simply what you did.

With the advent of automation and technology, these jobs started to dwindle but these jobs was never replaced (and putting my capitalist money grabbing head on, why should they when the owners / share holder can profit the money saved)
Added to that, you have union leaders like Scargill, Len McCluskey and Jack Jones who became that powerful that they could hold the country to ransom with the good old call of one out everybody out so people like Thatcher went out to destroy them.

Once the unions where destroyed and the industries that they dominated had also been destroyed, the southern based Tories stuck two fingers up to the north and left it to rot  >:(
When B liar got into power, those who hadn't got a job was encouraged to live off the state  >:(
Those people who was then stuck on the dole very quickly became unemployable because the jobs / wages on offer didn't come anywhere near what the state gave them to keep them quite and quite frankly, the British workforce is lazy so lapped it up :(

In approx 2005, B lair opened the floodgates to the labour market to the Eastern Europeans.
The working wage become the The Wage of the unskilled / semi skilled because companies didn't have to pay anymore and they loved it. The Eastern Europeans came over with a better work ethos to build a better life for themselves and took what's left of the jobs because by now the unskilled British worker was lazy.
I've often asked myself why did ALL parties affectively abandon the north  :-\
Well this is my theory .................... 

Politicians look after the people who vote for them.
Around here and many other places, you have Labour OR the Limp Dems (who are a friggin joke anyway) and UKIP (who became nothing more then a protest vote because the thick bastids could never put any policies on the table  :()
In these areas, 8 out 10 times, people vote labour.  So why should labour spend money in these areas when they will get the votes regardless ?
Quite simply, as a rule, they don't  >:(   They just make false promises and its lapped up by the voters  >:( >:(
The torries are just the same.  They go on about the northern powerhouse.  Well you can bet your life that any money available goes to marginal seats and any infrastructure built passes through these areas were the vote swings   :(
Again, its the "i'm alright jack, opps you attitude that IS politics in this country  :(

That's MY take on why there is a shortage of proper jobs (not zero hour / 60 hour a week to make a living jobs) around these parts  :'(

So back to BREXIT  ;D

What has this got to do with BREXIT ?
Well now the benefits have been rightly cut, those great unwashed now have 2 choices ............... either work OR turn to crime  :(
Sadly, rightly or wrongly, the British workforce are classed as lazy.  If a employer has a choice of employing a eastern European or a British person for a services or production line job, he will take the European every time  :'(

BREXIT was a chance to not only gain back political independence from the EU but limit the influx of foreign labour and force the British companies to put British workers first. IF they don't come up to scratch, they sack them (and contra to popular belief, if your dismissed you rightly get sweet F All off the state for upto 6 months)  :y :y


This country is totally FOOOKED  :'(
 
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Varche on 11 July 2018, 15:14:15
I know people who are positively wetting themselves in anticipation of being able to vote him in - good union members and young people in low paid jobs who believe he will be their saviour, mostly.

For young ppl, its quite hard to argue with tbh.

Since 2009 (so practically living memory for the 18-25 yo's), their benefits have been cut, as have funds to help access to education, housing benefit vs rent, the rise zero hrs contracts meaning a lack of secure employment, but meanwhile support for the benefits which most benefit the older generations (triple lock on pensions, tax breaks for the wealthy) have stayed firmly in place.

I'm not saying Corbyn is the answer, or even the better alternative. But from their p.o.v. any port in a storm.  ::)

Just had lunch with a group of friends and we concluded he same. It was also concluded that our age group had it good.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 11 July 2018, 15:15:59
There's 3061 jobs on Indeed in KoH...
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Varche on 11 July 2018, 15:26:50
Not my phrase but I like it.

DOG’S BREXIT


There was a programme about the failure of the NorthernPowerhouse on Iplayer. Might still be there.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 11 July 2018, 17:57:05
These young people who are gagging for a Corbyn Govt. Are they really so dim and uninformed, that they don't understand that he and McDonnell would wreak havoc on the economy in a very short space of time, and there would be a lot less money and jibs for everyone then ?
Every Labour Govt. in history has left the economy in a worse state than they found it. The next one would very obviously be the worst of all in that respect.
I honestly believe that citizens should apply to become voters and be required to take a test on basic awareness and understanding of political issues before voting cards are handed out.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: STEMO on 11 July 2018, 18:19:50
These young people who are gagging for a Corbyn Govt. Are they really so dim and uninformed, that they don't understand that he and McDonnell would wreak havoc on the economy in a very short space of time, and there would be a lot less money and jibs for everyone then ?
Every Labour Govt. in history has left the economy in a worse state than they found it. The next one would very obviously be the worst of all in that respect.
I honestly believe that citizens should apply to become voters and be required to take a test on basic awareness and understanding of political issues before voting cards are handed out.
None of the young people I know want to be crane drivers.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 11 July 2018, 18:22:43
These young people who are gagging for a Corbyn Govt. Are they really so dim and uninformed, that they don't understand that he and McDonnell would wreak havoc on the economy in a very short space of time, and there would be a lot less money and jibs for everyone then ?
Every Labour Govt. in history has left the economy in a worse state than they found it. The next one would very obviously be the worst of all in that respect.
I honestly believe that citizens should apply to become voters and be required to take a test on basic awareness and understanding of political issues before voting cards are handed out.

Is this another way of saying 'thick people' shouldn't be allowed to vote?...... ;)

And who decides who is fit to vote and who isn't?

I'm pretty sure JRM would have a different idea of who is competent to vote than JC would. :y
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 11 July 2018, 18:27:12
These young people who are gagging for a Corbyn Govt. Are they really so dim and uninformed, that they don't understand that he and McDonnell would wreak havoc on the economy in a very short space of time, and there would be a lot less money and jibs for everyone then ?
Every Labour Govt. in history has left the economy in a worse state than they found it. The next one would very obviously be the worst of all in that respect.
I honestly believe that citizens should apply to become voters and be required to take a test on basic awareness and understanding of political issues before voting cards are handed out.

Is this another way of saying 'thick people' shouldn't be allowed to vote?...... ;)

And who decides who is fit to vote and who isn't?

I'm pretty sure JRM would have a different idea of who is competent to vote than JC would. :y

What's Jesus Christ to do with it? ::) ::)

Mind you Jeremy Corbyn thinks he can walk on water and change water to wine!! ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 11 July 2018, 18:35:18
These young people who are gagging for a Corbyn Govt. Are they really so dim and uninformed, that they don't understand that he and McDonnell would wreak havoc on the economy in a very short space of time, and there would be a lot less money and jibs for everyone then ?
Every Labour Govt. in history has left the economy in a worse state than they found it. The next one would very obviously be the worst of all in that respect.
I honestly believe that citizens should apply to become voters and be required to take a test on basic awareness and understanding of political issues before voting cards are handed out.

Is this another way of saying 'thick people' shouldn't be allowed to vote?...... ;)

And who decides who is fit to vote and who isn't?

I'm pretty sure JRM would have a different idea of who is competent to vote than JC would. :y

Depends how you define thick. Uneducated people can be highly intelligent, but have problems articulating their intelligence. People who are too mentally lazy to bother trying to understand the issues from all points of view, would rightly fail the test.
I wouldn't want to ban genuinely thick people from voting, as Im both uneducated and thick, so wouldn't be able to vote.  ;D
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Varche on 24 July 2018, 22:46:31
Raab sidelined, May and Robbins have in actual fact been the dept for Brexit all along.

And now Parloament has broken for summer hols.


You could not make it up.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: ronnyd on 24 July 2018, 22:52:01
Perhaps our new Brexit secretary was a bit too Brexit for appeaser May. :-\
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 24 July 2018, 23:18:12
He is supposed to be a cross between a figurehead and a messenger boy. Whether he is prepared to keep going along woith this charade remains to be seen.  :-\
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Varche on 24 July 2018, 23:26:13
Deckchair attendant?
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 24 July 2018, 23:37:10
Yep, that about covers it.  :y ::)………...hopefully the next crisis will result in the requisite number of letters being sent to the 1922 committee chairman, and they can thenput a bullet behind her right ear, so to speak.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Steve B on 24 July 2018, 23:48:31
Yep, that about covers it.  :y ::)………...hopefully the next crisis will result in the requisite number of letters being sent to the 1922 committee chairman, and they can thenput a bullet behind her right ear, so to speak.
yep..its time for that old hag to go.....
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Rods2 on 25 July 2018, 06:22:18
She will totally sell out the UK with BRINO so the surrender is completed, signed and sealed, before the summer recess for MP's has finished. So this is an unelected, unaccountable, 'neutral' civil service Olly Robins driven 'fait accompli', if it wasn't so sic and bad, I would see the EU dictatorship irony in what they have done. >:( >:( >:( >:(

We have been shafted by the trojan horse remainer PM, there is only one electoral revenge and that is to kill off the Conservative party and replace it with a proper right wing one & I will be very actively campaigning to do this with to a lessor or greater extent 17.4 million leave others. :y :y :y

One of the reasons I've always really, really detested May beyond her total incompetitance, easily led gullibility and zero political instincts is her constant playing of the faux Conservative socialist tool and the damage and I suspect now death she has caused to the Conservative party. This brand damage and disloyalty to me started with her 'nasty party' speech and she has been a total and utter Judas ever since. >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Varche on 25 July 2018, 09:24:01
Funnily enough, i said straight after the result thatBritain needed a third party. One of middle ground pro Britain and pro Brexit. Not UKIP.

I cannot see it happening,  the current Conservative business driven, Labour lookafter the disadvantaged, Lib dems Guardian readers?  is so deeply entrenched tomale a new party impossible in Britain.

Plus you can “ thin slice” at the 17.5 million. Many will be happy to have any result as they are fed up, anythng to stop Corbyn getting in and so on. I think there isnt sufficient support for a viable new party however laudable. Might be different if there is a catastrophic event.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 25 July 2018, 10:27:46
Is Brexit not running smoothly then. :)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Kevin Wood on 25 July 2018, 10:39:55
Funnily enough, i said straight after the result thatBritain needed a third party. One of middle ground pro Britain and pro Brexit. Not UKIP.

I cannot see it happening,  the current Conservative business driven, Labour lookafter the disadvantaged, Lib dems Guardian readers?  is so deeply entrenched tomale a new party impossible in Britain.

Plus you can “ thin slice” at the 17.5 million. Many will be happy to have any result as they are fed up, anythng to stop Corbyn getting in and so on. I think there isnt sufficient support for a viable new party however laudable. Might be different if there is a catastrophic event.

I don't know. I'd say both the Tories and Labour are split severely enough to self-destruct given a small impetus. Maybe May getting knifed in the back and the government collapsing would do the job? There MUST be undercurrents of a new party happening at the moment, and the only reason for the status quo is that May is keeping the Tory snouts in the trough by hanging on and, if when that falls apart, Labour will be in by default, despite having an equally shite leader, due to the Lib er.. Dem.. what were they, again?.

This assumes we have any diligent politicians with principals left, of course. Maybe we haven't.  :-\
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 25 July 2018, 12:48:43
Maybe there is room for a National socialist Party to take hold of the reins, like in Germany in 1933. ::)

It was run by a funny little Austrian chap with dodgy facial hair........what was his name again? 
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 25 July 2018, 12:49:02
Vince Cable is currently trying to start a new centre left anti Brexit party. Nigel Farage and Steve Bannon are talking about forming what SKY news referred to on Sunday morning as a "new far right party" !  ::)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 25 July 2018, 12:54:32
Vince Cable is currently trying to start a new centre left anti Brexit party. Nigel Farage and Steve Bannon are talking about forming what SKY news referred to on Sunday morning as a "new far right party" !  ::)

No prizes given for guessing which option you like most. ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 25 July 2018, 13:07:44
Neither. I wouldn't have anything to do with a far right party. Neither would Farage.  ;)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Varche on 25 July 2018, 13:13:03
where is Boris or David Davis?
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 25 July 2018, 13:19:45
Neither. I wouldn't have anything to do with a far right party. Neither would Farage. ;)

With Tommy Robinson in prison an opportunity awaits shouty Nige. :)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Varche on 25 July 2018, 13:29:55
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/columnists/boris-johnson-tory-leadership/

Interesting comment.

Can't see Farage appealing to mainstream voters. Damaged goods bit like the UKIP brand.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 July 2018, 13:36:18
Maybe there is room for a National socialist Party to take hold of the reins, like in Germany in 1933. ::)

It was run by a funny little Austrian chap with dodgy facial hair........what was his name again?
Boris...
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Nick W on 25 July 2018, 15:50:05
where is Boris or David Davis?


keeping a low profile so they don't get handed the poisoned chalice of having to do something about Brexit.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 25 July 2018, 16:06:17
I suspect Davis wants to exit stage left at the next election and Boris is sweating spinal fluid, plotting and scheming.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 26 July 2018, 09:11:55
Meanwhile, Juncker the drunkard has announced that the EU is going to explore how it can lower its trade tarrifs against the U.S.
British politicians please take note, and take a leaf out of Trumps book on how to deal with those R soles in Brussels.  ::)
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: LC0112G on 26 July 2018, 11:11:51
Meanwhile, Juncker the drunkard has announced that the EU is going to explore how it can lower its trade tarrifs against the U.S.
British politicians please take note, and take a leaf out of Trumps book on how to deal with those R soles in Brussels.  ::)

That's one way to spin it I suppose, although it's Trump that is effectively backing down.

He imposed unilateral tariffs on some EU/China/Canada/Mexico imports to the US. The EU/China etc retaliated by imposing tariffs on some US exports to the EU/China etc. Trump ends up having to subsidise US farmers to the tune of $12Bn due to loss of exports. US politicians, particularly Republicans, don't like farming subsidies. Trump starts talking to EU/China etc about removing subsidies.

Difficult to see how spending $12Bn extra of tax payers money is any kind of victory, unless there is a greater than $12Bn boost to the US economy due to the original tariffs.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 26 July 2018, 11:21:17
My understanding is that the $12 billion subsidy is mainly due to Chinese tariffs, not the EU ?
The Europhile objective view.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44961560

Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: STEMO on 26 July 2018, 11:59:08
Trump is totally unpredictable, bordering on unstable. He just tries to please whoever is in front of him.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 July 2018, 12:12:42
Trump is totally unpredictable, bordering on unstable. He just tries to please whoever is in front of him.

I'd go along with that. He can be entertaining at times but I doubt all his dogs are barking.
Title: Re: Brexit Friday.
Post by: Rods2 on 27 July 2018, 22:17:20
Trump's Tweets are getting more & more unhinged & hysterical where the wheels of justice are getting closer & where he threw his main legal advisor & fixer Nick Cohen under a bus a few weeks ago. The problem is Cohen knows what all Trump's skeletons are & where their buried & where Trump has a habit of throwing people under a bus when he's finished with them Cohen have many of their deeds on audio tape to protect himself, which Mueller now has. ;D ;D ;D Some of these are now being leaked, probably by Cohen to get a better deal and less jail time through Mueller when he negotiates his plea bargained flipping.

Apparently putting stuff in the public domain that show you have good evidence on bigger fish is a good defense ploy when negotiating better plea bargaining terms. The FBI's standard terms are you must plead guilty to the charges & tell them absolutely everything without any lying, Break any of those terms & the deal is off. The plea-bargaining then kicks in at the sentencing time.

This weeks revelations are that they setup a payoff corporation, during the election to payoff Trump 'indiscretions' & that Trump was told beforehand about & approved the meeting with DT Jr & others meeting Russian intelligence officials in a hotel room where alleged collusion took place, although I'm sure Trump's campaign speech on Russia having DNC emails and Hillary's server the next day was entirely coincidental. ::) ::) ::)

The money is on August & September being the months when the brown stuff really hits the fan big time for tRUmp & his crime clan. :y :y :y Any of you with any illusions that tRUmp is anything other than a vile, evil career criminal are going to be left in the near future with no doubts about it. :o :o :o