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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: terry paget on 23 January 2020, 21:03:55
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As heading. Alternator not charging, I was fitting a spare alternator, when I noticed a drip from the water pump. Has anyone changed one?
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What engine?
In pretty much any event I imagine it's going to be a faff. Driven off the timing belt in a small ca with a transverse engine.
Then again I have hands like sh!t shovels so I find any work like that to be a p!sser. YMMV :y
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Why, in God's good name, did you not change it when you did the headgasket and cambelt? ???
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Why, in God's good name, did you not change it when you did the headgasket and cambelt? ???
Cost,? If it ain't broke? or didn't think it would need doing? Terry doesn't do preventative maintenance.
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Why, in God's good name, did you not change it when you did the headgasket and cambelt? ???
Cost,? If it ain't broke? or didn't think it would need doing? Terry doesn't do preventative maintenance.
£17 well saved :y
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Apparently not... :-X
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Why, in God's good name, did you not change it when you did the headgasket and cambelt? ???
Engine is 1.6 petrol. I did not change water pump, because I lacked confidence in my head gasket repair; head gasket that had failed was less than a year old, I presumed so were cam belt and water pump. I did not expect my repair to last long, these cars are prone to HG failure; in fact it has lasted five years.
My son did not mention it was losing coolant. HG still seems OK. Car is 16 years old.
Any idea what an independent garage would charge to do the job?
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Typically done as an 'additional part cost' tacked onto a cambelt change...
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Its a cambelt off job to do but not difficult,I would fit new belt kit as a matter of course with the new pump :y
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Typically done as an 'additional part cost' tacked onto a cambelt change...
I agree, when changing cambelts if the water pump is driven by cambelt, change water pump, that's wot I was taught,. Others just see the cost at the time, not the long term saving...
Fix once save twice. :'(
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K-series timing belt isn't too bad a job, and the water pump is an integral part of it for the reasons BG gave. About £70 worth of parts.
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Thanks for the advice gentlemen.
I need to lock the crankshaft, to remove the crankshaft pulley. Haynes tells me to make a simple tool, then 'remove the metal cover from the flywheel housing at the opposite site to the starter motor.' Picture shows a man's hand at LHS of front of engine. I see no plate there. Please advise.
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Thanks for the advice gentlemen.
I need to lock the crankshaft, to remove the crankshaft pulley. Haynes tells me to make a simple tool, then 'remove the metal cover from the flywheel housing at the opposite site to the starter motor.' Picture shows a man's hand at LHS of front of engine. I see no plate there. Please advise.
Remove the starter then and lock flywheel with a podger bar
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Thanks for the advice gentlemen.
I need to lock the crankshaft, to remove the crankshaft pulley. Haynes tells me to make a simple tool, then 'remove the metal cover from the flywheel housing at the opposite site to the starter motor.' Picture shows a man's hand at LHS of front of engine. I see no plate there. Please advise.
Remove the starter then and lock flywheel with a podger bar
Thanks. Is a podger bar a crow bar?
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a "podger" is a spanner with a pointed handle .. the point is put in misaligned holes and use to pull them into alignment ...
https://www.machinemart.co.uk/c/podger-spanners/
big screwdriver often used to achieve the same in my garage !!
I think Big G is suggesting you use one, or similar, to wedge and lock the flywheel :)
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Remove the starter then and lock flywheel with a podger bar
Thanks. Is a podger bar a crow bar?
has a flat tip on one end and a tapered round one on the other, so you only need one tool to pry things apart and align holes.
A short piece of angle in the ring gear wedged against one of the starter bolts works for me.
You can buy flywheel locking tools that look like two pivoting crowbars, but they don't work when the gearbox is still bolted to the engine.
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Haynes only gives removing the crankshaft pulley two spanners - easy job - but it seems to be not trivial.
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a "podger" is a spanner with a pointed handle .. the point is put in misaligned holes and use to pull them into alignment ... .....
But more commonly a podger/heel bar ;) https://www.amazon.co.uk/MultiWare-150-500mm-Podger-Slipper-Lever/dp/B076ZJMHQW
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Original head gasket was replaced with a multilayer steel gasket, along with cam belt kit and water pump, in June 2012, at 54,624 miles. That HG failed in December 2015, 71,932 miles. I replaced it with an elastomer HG. Car would not start 2 weeks ago, 90005 miles; I was called in. It jump started OK, but only showed 13.1 volts across the battery so I diagnosed failed alternator. I then noticed red liquid below water pump.
I changed the alternator on Sunday, new one charges fine, 14.4v across the battery. I found a small leak from water pump, engine running or not. Bad news is, despite wearing heavy rubber gloves, my hands are badly bruised.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/3oywhkou6jc2b53/HANDbruise.jpg?dl=1)
Old age, I told my GP today; she agreed. I told my son to take the car away, use it, and check coolant level weekly. He thanked me, said his wife had planned to scrap it in 2015.
I fear I shall have to restrict myself to simple jobs henceforth.
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Ooo Terry. That looks nasty.
I know that I only have to look at a car and I get bruises and (my favourite) a gash to the head!!
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Time to stop the heavy jobs, Terry. Whilst I applaud your willingness and kindness to your offspring, I think a bit of Terry time is overdue.
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Ouch !! Terry ..... Last time I had bruising like that I had to give my doc a very serious listening too ... on the dangers of thrombosis .... he was concerned about the bruise "breaking up" and causing much bigger problems ... :( I'm surprised your GP has let you away so lightly !!
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Without wishing to sound alarmist - In 2000 my 68 year old Mum got a similar bruise on her leg, after something fell off a shelf in a shop and hit her. It then broke up and part of it settled on her lung. She sounded like a 60 a day smoker all of a sudden.
She was admitted to hospital for treatment, but next morning part of it broke off and went to her heart.
It was just like someone turned off a switch. She closed her eyes and died.
Be careful Terry.
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Have had a couple of similar scares with Mother, both have ended up with an ambulance and a week in the ICU...
Always a concern as she's forever collecting bruises without realising how.
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Listen to all of that, Terry......please. :)
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Yes Terry, time to let the offspring maintain their own wheels, while you put your feet up for a while. Those bruises don,t look good. Are you on blood thinners mate?
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Agree with everything that's been said, get 'em round and working under your watchful gaze!
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Yes Terry, time to let the offspring maintain their own wheels, while you put your feet up for a while. Those bruises don,t look good. Are you on blood thinners mate?
No.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/6dz3fgobho3xm3b/TERRY%20%26%20GEARBOX.jpg?dl=1)
Here I am in happier days, changing the gearbox on my ex-police Senator.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/g3tmb08t1oz1yy0/senators25%25.jpg?dl=1)
And here is my fleet of Senators, again in happier days.
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I do love a senny!
Was it rust that did for 'em?
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That,s an impressive array there Terry. :y
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I do love a senny!
Was it rust that did for 'em?
No, clutch failure. In those days I regarded a clutch change as beyond me. It took JamesV6CDX to persuade me I could change a clutch, which is of course what I was changing in the picture above, not the gearbox. My thanks to JamesV6CDX, and to Doctor Gollum for much advice as well.
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Yes, it's often nervousness/lack of faith in your own ability that's the barrier to doing a job. Once it's done, you wonder what all the fuss was about. :y
The garage/workshop in the pic of you with the gearbox looks a nice setup! Other than the golfing bats ruining the ambiance obviously. ;)
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I've done waterpump on K series 1.6, and easy enough. Hardest bit, as you found, is locking the crank to undo pulley bolt. There is a special tool, but a crowbar in the flywheel is similar.