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xenon headlights for 50 pound
« on: 21 September 2008, 20:16:46 »
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Re: xenon headlights for 50 pound
« Reply #1 on: 21 September 2008, 20:19:52 »
Got my set up from ebay for half that...


Though don't forget they are to some degree illegal unless you have the washes and the self leveling to suit...

Which I have, honest...
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Re: xenon headlights for 50 pound
« Reply #2 on: 22 September 2008, 08:28:55 »
realy i didnt no thought looks like ill have to get that as weill i have the manual ajusters inside the car how come this is illegal and i search everyware was it a shop ware you had them from
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Re: xenon headlights for 50 pound
« Reply #3 on: 22 September 2008, 08:35:19 »
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realy i didnt no thought looks like ill have to get that as weill i have the manual ajusters inside the car how come this is illegal and i search everyware was it a shop ware you had them from
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1199707220
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Re: xenon headlights for 50 pound
« Reply #4 on: 22 September 2008, 08:45:16 »
bugger me didnt no though that think ill risk it and upgrade and get some whashers at least thanks for that
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Re: xenon headlights for 50 pound
« Reply #5 on: 22 September 2008, 09:24:14 »
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bugger me didnt no though that think ill risk it and upgrade and get some whashers at least thanks for that


Not actually illegal.....as long as the bulbs have the correct approvals then washers etc are not required for aftermarket fit.
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Re: xenon headlights for 50 pound
« Reply #6 on: 22 September 2008, 09:34:18 »
do you happen to no how to fing this out then
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Re: xenon headlights for 50 pound
« Reply #7 on: 22 September 2008, 11:06:51 »
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bugger me didnt no though that think ill risk it and upgrade and get some whashers at least thanks for that


Not actually illegal.....as long as the bulbs have the correct approvals then washers etc are not required for aftermarket fit.
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps

2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling
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Re: xenon headlights for 50 pound
« Reply #8 on: 22 September 2008, 11:38:21 »
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bugger me didnt no though that think ill risk it and upgrade and get some whashers at least thanks for that


Not actually illegal.....as long as the bulbs have the correct approvals then washers etc are not required for aftermarket fit.
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps

2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling


Yes but, read it carefuly.

It transpires that there are no regulations for aftermarket HID fitment and that particular statement is trying to close up something the DfT are not keen on, hence why it is a fact sheet.......

The legal side of things relates to correct approval codes on the bulbs and nothing else and hence legaly you could fit them to the projector style headlights......

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Re: xenon headlights for 50 pound
« Reply #9 on: 22 September 2008, 11:48:51 »
Getting confused.

Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:

1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.

2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).

3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.

In practice this means:

1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.

2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.

3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.

Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.
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Re: xenon headlights for 50 pound
« Reply #10 on: 22 September 2008, 11:50:10 »
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bugger me didnt no though that think ill risk it and upgrade and get some whashers at least thanks for that


Not actually illegal.....as long as the bulbs have the correct approvals then washers etc are not required for aftermarket fit.
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps

2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling


Yes but, read it carefuly.

It transpires that there are no regulations for aftermarket HID fitment and that particular statement is trying to close up something the DfT are not keen on, hence why it is a fact sheet.......

The legal side of things relates to correct approval codes on the bulbs and nothing else and hence legaly you could fit them to the projector style headlights......

Thought the approval was specific to lenses/reflector/bulb as a unit? Or have I misread?



In practice this means:

1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.

2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.

3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.

Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.

In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.

The highlighted must surely mean the 3 points above need to be followed for retrofits?

Grey area indeed....   :-/


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Re: xenon headlights for 50 pound
« Reply #11 on: 22 September 2008, 12:25:27 »
Exactly.....the rules are very clear for new vehicle approvals.........and very clear for bulbs etc with the correct approvals but, there is nothing regarding meeting the 'new vehicle approvals standards' for after market fit.

Its not something the Police can enforce if the bulbs have the correct markings

Its not something that will fail an MOT....
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« Reply #12 on: 22 September 2008, 12:54:05 »
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Exactly.....the rules are very clear for new vehicle approvals.........and very clear for bulbs etc with the correct approvals but, there is nothing regarding meeting the 'new vehicle approvals standards' for after market fit.

Its not something the Police can enforce if the bulbs have the correct markings

Its not something that will fail an MOT....
But the highlighted bit above, from DFT site, hence what VOSA will use, and thus surely what Police will could enforce, clearly states the headlamp etc to be appropriately marked, but also must be properly maintained (obviously), and have washing/levelling  :-/

Agree that not MOT related, and if set up sensibly, be unlucky to get pulled for it...
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« Reply #13 on: 22 September 2008, 13:12:48 »
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Exactly.....the rules are very clear for new vehicle approvals.........and very clear for bulbs etc with the correct approvals but, there is nothing regarding meeting the 'new vehicle approvals standards' for after market fit.

Its not something the Police can enforce if the bulbs have the correct markings

Its not something that will fail an MOT....
But the highlighted bit above, from DFT site, hence what VOSA will use, and thus surely what Police will could enforce, clearly states the headlamp etc to be appropriately marked, but also must be properly maintained (obviously), and have washing/levelling  :-/

Agree that not MOT related, and if set up sensibly, be unlucky to get pulled for it...


As said, the DfT site states it as a factsheet...........and not a rule.

What they are trying to do is make people think twice by quoting the original vehicle approvals requirement because legislation does not cover this grey area!

The headlamp assembly markings for HID setups are:

DLSCR
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The only bit that changes is the top 5 letters for non-HID......not the E4!

I suspect the police will check for the E marking and nothing else and he same for the bulbs (but thats irrelivant).

As said, I can not find any law or MOT test that stops its use.

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« Reply #14 on: 22 September 2008, 13:25:59 »
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Exactly.....the rules are very clear for new vehicle approvals.........and very clear for bulbs etc with the correct approvals but, there is nothing regarding meeting the 'new vehicle approvals standards' for after market fit.

Its not something the Police can enforce if the bulbs have the correct markings

Its not something that will fail an MOT....
But the highlighted bit above, from DFT site, hence what VOSA will use, and thus surely what Police will could enforce, clearly states the headlamp etc to be appropriately marked, but also must be properly maintained (obviously), and have washing/levelling  :-/

Agree that not MOT related, and if set up sensibly, be unlucky to get pulled for it...


As said, the DfT site states it as a factsheet...........and not a rule.

What they are trying to do is make people think twice by quoting the original vehicle approvals requirement because legislation does not cover this grey area!

The headlamp assembly markings for HID setups are:

DLSCR
  OO
  E4
 2439

The only bit that changes is the top 5 letters for non-HID......not the E4!

I suspect the police will check for the E marking and nothing else and he same for the bulbs (but thats irrelivant).

As said, I can not find any law or MOT test that stops its use.

The highway code is not law, but expect to get pulled for disobeying it ;)

Your right, looks like its not covered in law, but is covered by that factsheet reasonably well. VOSA will go by dft view, and Police surely will obey VOSA?

Yes, they are looking like they are suggesting the rules for retrofit are supposed to match that for new cars, which sounds reasonable to me?

Seems also that there are no laws for new cars, again only EU guidelines?
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