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[raywilb]

 article in daily mirror tories contemplating £800 road tax on diesel motors

[STEMO]

article in daily mirror tories contemplating £800 road tax on diesel motors

Don't think so. £800 tax on new diesels maybe.

[STEMO]

My wife's diesel is zero tax.

[Viral_Jim]

Car tax has been shaken up from 2017 anyway, in a good way I think. In future, the 1st 5 years tax will be determined by list price. >£40k is about £500/yr, under that, its £140/yr. After 5yrs, CO2 comes into play as it does now. Going forward, only Zero emissions cars will be Nil tax, and even then, if they're over £40k I think they still have to pay something.

An £800 tax on new diesels wouldn't surprise me. Probably a £300 "Diesel surcharge" on top of the above tax bands. A retrospective tax hike of that size seems very unlikely.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

....and to think that barely a decade ago derv powered cars were set to save the world with low Co2 figures.

[STEMO]

I have told my wife that her car must last at least 20 years, £0 tax will save a lot of money over that period. I may buy a zero tax car before 2017 as well.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I have told my wife that her car must last at least 20 years, £0 tax will save a lot of money over that period. I may buy a zero tax car before 2017 as well.

....and they say I'm wealthy.

How wrong can they be.

[Mr Gav]

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I have told my wife that her car must last at least 20 years, £0 tax will save a lot of money over that period. I may buy a zero tax car before 2017 as well.

Knackers to that, I want a car to put a smile on my face, if I want to pay nothing I`ll join Guffers crew 

[Viral_Jim]

In the scheme of costs of owning a car, road tax really doesn't feature, and certainly wouldn't make up the depreciation on a new motor. Unless you fancy keeping a car 15 or so years. Then would you really want to run a nil road tax car with complex injectors, DPF DMF etc for that long & far?


From a total cost of ownership perspective, spending £4K on a low mileage 1.8 insignia, then £500 on lpg'ing it would take some beating. Or £2500 on a late vectra.

[05omegav6]

In the scheme of costs of owning a car, road tax really doesn't feature, and certainly wouldn't make up the depreciation on a new motor. Unless you fancy keeping a car 15 or so years. Then would you really want to run a nil road tax car with complex injectors, DPF DMF etc for that long & far?


From a total cost of ownership perspective, spending £4K on a low mileage 1.8 insignia, then £500 on lpg'ing it would take some beating. Or £2500 on a late vectra.

Gentleman's veg to both of those suggestions both perfectly sensible by the way... but even Vectra C money can buy summat far more interesting

[Viral_Jim]

Most definitely! And, to be frank I would rather punch myself repeatedly in the wedding veg than drive 10yrs in a 1.8 insignia.

But then again the same goes for 99.9% of nil road tax cars.

Tesla model s being an exception to that which springs to mind.

[05omegav6]

Most definitely! And, to be frank I would rather punch myself repeatedly in the wedding veg than drive 10yrs in a 1.8 insignia.

But then again the same goes for 99.9% of nil road tax cars.

Tesla model s being an exception to that which springs to mind.

Performance wise, the 1.8 is comparable to the 2.2 Omega not a bad choice from the options available, but the Omega does everything the Insignia does, only better, especially as an estate

If your wallet or accountant can stomach the purchase cost, then there's very little reason not to buy the Model S. Phenominal car

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I have told my wife that her car must last at least 20 years, £0 tax will save a lot of money over that period. I may buy a zero tax car before 2017 as well.

£500 each year equates to £10 a week.

[TD]

I have told my wife that her car must last at least 20 years, £0 tax will save a lot of money over that period. I may buy a zero tax car before 2017 as well.

£500 each year equates to £10 a week.

That's 3 pints of beer 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I have told my wife that her car must last at least 20 years, £0 tax will save a lot of money over that period. I may buy a zero tax car before 2017 as well.

£500 each year equates to £10 a week.

That's 3 pints of beer 

Yep.....so why not buy something that gives you a semi whenever you drive it.

[dbug]

Mine costs £500 pa to tax - I don't view that as a particular issue, if I did I would have bought an older car with all the inevitable increased maintenance costs

[Viral_Jim]

Dbug, assuming this is the XJ in your profile, I'd consider £500 p.a. to be good value.



If nothing else for the amount of Her Majesty's Highway it takes up at any one time 

[dbug]

Dbug, assuming this is the XJ in your profile, I'd consider £500 p.a. to be good value.



If nothing else for the amount of Her Majesty's Highway it takes up at any one time 

It is and not disagreeing    And as the good Doc Opti says, if I put suspension in sports mode and use the paddle gear change, a semi usually results, and the £10 tax per week pales into insignificance compared to petrol costs 

[Broomies Mate]

Why can't they charge the VED on the ACTUAL emission from YOUR car?  It is tested at the MOT station every year, including recording the mileage travelled since last MOT (if you want).

Admittedly, my mathematically retarded brain wouldn't be best suited to drawing-up the calculations required, but I'm sure someone with a modicum of number-crunching could do it.

I don't see why my highly maintained car which currently does around 6k a year and from the Emissions print-out runs on clouds should be charged at the same rate as an identical car which travels 30k a year and gets an oil change when the 'abuser' feels like it.

I suppose it would cause problems when buying/selling a vehicle? 

Incorporating VED into taxation on fuel would be another option, but that doesn't address the good car/bad car argument.

[Kevin Wood]

Why can't they charge the VED on the ACTUAL emission from YOUR car?  It is tested at the MOT station every year...

MOT emissions and VED emissions are two completely different things.

[GastronomicKleptomaniac]

I have told my wife that her car must last at least 20 years, £0 tax will save a lot of money over that period. I may buy a zero tax car before 2017 as well.

£500 each year equates to £10 a week.

That's 3 pints of beer 

Or 4 if you're a Northerner...

[Kevin Wood]

I have told my wife that her car must last at least 20 years, £0 tax will save a lot of money over that period. I may buy a zero tax car before 2017 as well.

£500 each year equates to £10 a week.

That's 3 pints of beer 

Or 4 if you're a Northerner...

.. where a quarter of each pint is foam, so it amounts to the same thing.

[Nick W]

Why can't they charge the VED on the ACTUAL emission from YOUR car?  It is tested at the MOT station every year...

MOT emissions and VED emissions are two completely different things.

Yes , the MOT emissions is just a basic check that the engine and setup aren't catastrophically bad at idle.

[baggers]

article in daily mirror tories contemplating £800 road tax on diesel motors

And so they should, they kick enough shit out of the back.  Get behind a 4 year old+ diesel and your lucky if your not left in a cloud of crap.

[TheBoy]

article in daily mirror tories contemplating £800 road tax on diesel motors

And so they should, they kick enough shit out of the back.  Get behind a 4 year old+ diesel and your lucky if your not left in a cloud of crap.

Yup, my shitbox sootchucker works better than dipping rear view mirror at night...

[05omegav6]

Why can't they charge the VED on the ACTUAL emission from YOUR car?  It is tested at the MOT station every year...

MOT emissions and VED emissions are two completely different things.

True, and just think how you could fiddle the results if you used snake oil instead of petrol, or one of the many excellent suggestions in tother thread

Government would be broke, sorry more broke, in no time at all

[Nick W]

Why can't they charge the VED on the ACTUAL emission from YOUR car?  It is tested at the MOT station every year...

MOT emissions and VED emissions are two completely different things.

True, and just think how you could fiddle the results if you used snake oil instead of petrol, or one of the many excellent suggestions in tother thread

Just imagine how much easier it would be if we controlled fuelling via electronically controlled injectors. Then we could get a nerd to write some clever software to fiddle the test without any expensive additions.

What could possibly go wrong?

[05omegav6]

Why can't they charge the VED on the ACTUAL emission from YOUR car?  It is tested at the MOT station every year...

MOT emissions and VED emissions are two completely different things.

True, and just think how you could fiddle the results if you used snake oil instead of petrol, or one of the many excellent suggestions in tother thread

Just imagine how much easier it would be if we controlled fuelling via electronically controlled injectors. Then we could get a nerd to write some clever software to fiddle the test without any expensive additions.

What could possibly go wrong?

Well... now you mention it...

[baggers]

article in daily mirror tories contemplating £800 road tax on diesel motors

And so they should, they kick enough shit out of the back.  Get behind a 4 year old+ diesel and your lucky if your not left in a cloud of crap.

Yup, my shitbox sootchucker works better than dipping rear view mirror at night...

    

[Rods2]

No emissions means VW's will soon be zero VED rated then.