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[Lizzie_Zoom]

Are you, like me, becoming very angry about this terrible and ridiculous case where now this poor 5 year old boy's parents are being held in custody even though no crime has apparently been committed. This little boy needs his parents like at no other time, but "administrative processes" have resulted in a grossly unfair situation that makes the UK look totally uncaring and like some totalitarian state were individual choice over your children's medical treatment is not allowed!

FFS!!!!!!

I usually stay clear now of sensitive political arguments on this forum, but this has angered me. God, we treat terrorists better than this!

Below is the address of the Governments Petition site, and specifically a petition on the subject of this case.  Please sign it for humanities sake. 

https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/69026

 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

It has been badly handled, Lizzie.

[tidla]

Be interesting to see what conclusion the judge comes to.

As anyone knows who has had a long term sick person in there household, different doctors have very views on the condition and treatment.

Personal experience told me sometimes the doctor being right is often more important than the best treatment of the patient.

Those in the Eu flood to our country for treatment ( something tourism) . From that i presume you can choose where you go for your treatment if funds permit?

[cleggy]

Lizzie,
Signed, this makes my blood boil and demonstrates what a pathetic country we wave become.
The loony tune Camoron can't stop Muslim wackos coming back to this country after they have been radicalized and chop some defenceless man's head off but in a case where parents try to do the best for their child they are hunted down and treated like criminals.
A tart can have her tits augmented and other cosmetic surgery on the NHS, but people who have contributed all their lives won't get urgent treatment.
GOD I NEED A DRINK, NO SEVERAL.
UKIP.

[redelitev6]

  This is what happens when you defy the power of the state , you must be taught a lesson at all costs 

[Jusme]

Initially I thought someone had been clever drumming up a crime to bring the full weight of the police into this case for the kiddie's sake. Now I just think its a farce and quite disgusting... 

UKIP. 

[Entwood]

As we only know what the "press" decide to tell/drip feed/brainwash us with .. and the press always have an agenda ..... to dramatise a situation in order to sell papers .. none of us can make a true assessment of the situation ...

I very much doubt a European Arrest Warrant would be issued simply because it was asked for, reasons would need to be given, and the health of the child would be the major concern at that time.

It's all well and good being an "armchair expert" .. but it might be useful to have some actual FACTS before pronouncing sentence

Of course ... the chance to throw UKIP publicity must never be overlooked ... but .. pray tell .. just what has this got to do with ANY political party It is purely a matter for the medics/police/Courts ...

but why let the truth get in the way of a good paper selling/political ranting story  ??

[Vamps]

There is a lot more to this than we are being told, initially the suggestion was it was a religious decision on behalf of the parents, that can't now be right as he had his / an operation..............

Health will be worried as it took 8 hours before the disappearance of this boy, apparently against the will of doctors, to be reported to the Police.............

What if, parents felt he could be treated better in another hospital, as they do not appear to have prevented treatment I struggle to know what law they have broken, the feeding system only needs plugging in to charge it.

Some health professionals have unreal expectations of families, and choose to be ignorant of family circumstances.............

Don't get me started, this case is a right Mess and I doubt the real truth will come out, the only 'Risk' I have heard is about his feeding machine going flat, and the use of it, many parents use this feeding technique on a daily basis.............

[humbucker]

Like so many other news stories, there is way more than meets the eye here. It's a bit daft to get worked up over something that you have a superficial knowledge of (because the full facts are being withheld). Absorbing tabloid drip feed is something that people should be wary of in this day and age. Keep an open mind. Losing your cool makes you look a fool.

[cleggy]

Alright it's a news story best just to ignore it without knowing all the facts. Well in my opinion if we don't ask for more we won't know the facts. The bottom line is that the over the top reaction in this case by issuing a European Arrest warrant when no actual crime has been committed, compared to the fact that muslims can leave and be welcomed back after killing innocents
demonstrates the priorities of this pathetic government. 
The only alternative is to give the people's party a chance.

[chrisgixer]

Are you, like me, becoming very angry about this ...

Yes.

[Jusme]

Was just wondering. If the child was removed against advice and on the journey to wherever had sadly died, would the parents then be charged with.............??

[05omegav6]

If the hospital staff reported the child as having been abducted, then Hants Police reacted in a way that any person reasonably might... Though perhaps they jumped the gun slightly. That said the staff at the hospital had a duty of care to ensure that the course of treatment they had chosen was working as intended. They could only do that with the child in their care/control.

The parents seem to have gone outside the processes in place for such situations... They coukd have left the child in Southampton (with no express consent to further treatment until a second opinion had been sought). Apparently they went to Spain to sell a property to pay for treatment in The Czech Republic

No rational person would entertain taking a seriously ill child, who is mid treatment on a 3500 mile road trip... (I assume the plan once the property was sold was to drive to Prague).

So yes the Police possibly over reacted, but the parents actions were, shall we say, misguided at best, negligent at worst

[Marks DTM Calib]

The issue I have is that the parents took the child without discussion from a place of care there by risking the child's health, that is the bad bit.

They are now suffering (possibly a poorly handled and over blown) the consequence of that foolish decision.

[ted_one]

Just been watching the limp wristed tosser deputy Prime Minister Clegg droning on about spending A BILLION POUNDS!!!!! on free school meals ermm now let me think Proton Beam machine or free school meals, Proton Beam machine or free school meals, say no more,other than shame on you GB. AND START GETTING YOUR PRIORITIES IN ORDER!!!

[Sir Tigger KC]

I think that the authorities were right to track down this family to ensure that the lad is being properly looked after, but what has happened since is disgusting.    Arresting the parents and taking them away from the boy while he's in a foreign hospital is a terrible thing to do! 

I really can't see why they couldn't have let them stay with the boy under guard in the hospital or tagged them maybe. 

[Gaffers]

If the hospital staff reported the child as having been abducted, then Hants Police reacted in a way that any person reasonably might... Though perhaps they jumped the gun slightly. That said the staff at the hospital had a duty of care to ensure that the course of treatment they had chosen was working as intended. They could only do that with the child in their care/control.

The parents seem to have gone outside the processes in place for such situations... They coukd have left the child in Southampton (with no express consent to further treatment until a second opinion had been sought). Apparently they went to Spain to sell a property to pay for treatment in The Czech Republic

No rational person would entertain taking a seriously ill child, who is mid treatment on a 3500 mile road trip... (I assume the plan once the property was sold was to drive to Prague).

So yes the Police possibly over reacted, but the parents actions were, shall we say, misguided at best, negligent at worst

Bang on my thoughts.  If you disagree with your doctor's opinion and/or course of treatment there are processes and ways to get things changed.  Running off with your child to a foreign country is not one of them.

[henryd]

If the hospital staff reported the child as having been abducted, then Hants Police reacted in a way that any person reasonably might... Though perhaps they jumped the gun slightly. That said the staff at the hospital had a duty of care to ensure that the course of treatment they had chosen was working as intended. They could only do that with the child in their care/control.

The parents seem to have gone outside the processes in place for such situations... They coukd have left the child in Southampton (with no express consent to further treatment until a second opinion had been sought). Apparently they went to Spain to sell a property to pay for treatment in The Czech Republic

No rational person would entertain taking a seriously ill child, who is mid treatment on a 3500 mile road trip... (I assume the plan once the property was sold was to drive to Prague).

So yes the Police possibly over reacted, but the parents actions were, shall we say, misguided at best, negligent at worst

Rational goes out of the window when its your own child that is ill.

[D]

If the hospital staff reported the child as having been abducted, then Hants Police reacted in a way that any person reasonably might... Though perhaps they jumped the gun slightly. That said the staff at the hospital had a duty of care to ensure that the course of treatment they had chosen was working as intended. They could only do that with the child in their care/control.

The parents seem to have gone outside the processes in place for such situations... They coukd have left the child in Southampton (with no express consent to further treatment until a second opinion had been sought). Apparently they went to Spain to sell a property to pay for treatment in The Czech Republic

No rational person would entertain taking a seriously ill child, who is mid treatment on a 3500 mile road trip... (I assume the plan once the property was sold was to drive to Prague).

So yes the Police possibly over reacted, but the parents actions were, shall we say, misguided at best, negligent at worst

Thats the best I can make out of the available facts so far. All of this could potentially have been avoided if you moved the child after informing the healthcare team. Lots of patients are repatriated to their country of choice as per their wishes in a carefully planned manner, most often with a medical escort.

[D]

If the hospital staff reported the child as having been abducted, then Hants Police reacted in a way that any person reasonably might... Though perhaps they jumped the gun slightly. That said the staff at the hospital had a duty of care to ensure that the course of treatment they had chosen was working as intended. They could only do that with the child in their care/control.

The parents seem to have gone outside the processes in place for such situations... They coukd have left the child in Southampton (with no express consent to further treatment until a second opinion had been sought). Apparently they went to Spain to sell a property to pay for treatment in The Czech Republic

No rational person would entertain taking a seriously ill child, who is mid treatment on a 3500 mile road trip... (I assume the plan once the property was sold was to drive to Prague).

So yes the Police possibly over reacted, but the parents actions were, shall we say, misguided at best, negligent at worst

Rational goes out of the window when its your own child that is ill.

True, and that is when people could do things that could hurt/harm a child. And the healthcare professional has a legal duty to protect said child by reporting it to the police.

[ted_one]

Agreed   Also there would be the possibility of another opinion as to the treatment of the child,but without the access to other perhaps untried/unavailable procedures in this country,then I would guess that the terminal prognosis would be the only outcome....think if it was anyone in our family then we would certainly be looking else where,even if it was clutching at straws,it's only natural to want to do that

[D]

https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/69026

 

That epetition sounds like a rant, I am sorry, but I am not signing such gibberish.

[ted_one]

It certainly has a lot of 'content' 

[05omegav6]

If the hospital staff reported the child as having been abducted, then Hants Police reacted in a way that any person reasonably might... Though perhaps they jumped the gun slightly. That said the staff at the hospital had a duty of care to ensure that the course of treatment they had chosen was working as intended. They could only do that with the child in their care/control.

The parents seem to have gone outside the processes in place for such situations... They coukd have left the child in Southampton (with no express consent to further treatment until a second opinion had been sought). Apparently they went to Spain to sell a property to pay for treatment in The Czech Republic

No rational person would entertain taking a seriously ill child, who is mid treatment on a 3500 mile road trip... (I assume the plan once the property was sold was to drive to Prague).

So yes the Police possibly over reacted, but the parents actions were, shall we say, misguided at best, negligent at worst

Rational goes out of the window when its your own child that is ill.

You're not wrong, but it's unusual for both parents to be unanimously irrational,  unless only one gets a say... But I'll stop that there as this is abiut the childs well being rather than religion or politics...

[chrisgixer]

Looks like an element of common sense is in danger of breaking out at last.

Cps withdrawn warrant, and authority's showing an ounce of concern for the child. Whatever next? Whoever is at the route of this needs to look at public spending re 3rd and 4th runways and hs2.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/69026

 

That epetition sounds like a rant, I am sorry, but I am not signing such gibberish.

A rant? Gibberish?

Well thank God others in the know thought not and all action against the parents is ceasing. CPS has withdrawn it's warrant, due no doubt to the fact that no law had been broken, yet the parents were being held in prison and away from their poor son.

Yes Chris, at last common sense has prevailed as some have reacted to this gross injustice involving OTT action by the authorities. Not for the first time eh!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29036154

[D]

https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/69026

 

That epetition sounds like a rant, I am sorry, but I am not signing such gibberish.

A rant? Gibberish?

Well thank God others in the know thought not and all action against the parents is ceasing. CPS has withdrawn it's warrant, due no doubt to the fact that no law had been broken, yet the parents were being held in prison and away from their poor son.

Yes Chris, at last common sense has prevailed as some have reacted to this gross injustice involving OTT action by the authorities. Not for the first time eh!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29036154

Unfortunately yes, that epetition sounds like a rant rather than a logically though out petition. There is a difference between a petition and a personal rant. Perhaps the last line makes sense, the first bit is gibberish to me.

Re: the second point, I am sure you know more about that than me.

I dont think anyone disgarees that the authorities were heavy handed. But perhaps all this could have been avoided with some common sense from the parents as well.

I speak from personal experience when I had to move my child from a hospital in Kent to Kings College hospital due to the poor care he received. I let the people in charge know, signed a form, got a discharge letter and drove him to Kings. Couldnt have been easier. And the tax payers money wasnt wasted on a manhunt.

[cleggy]

I'm with Lizzie.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I'm with Lizzie.

Thanks Cleggy!

I'm just so pleased that a little boy will now have seen his mother

[The Sheriff]

I just can't get excited about this.....not at all. I think social media has a lot to do with most of the stuff that makes the news.