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Re: Ashya King
« Reply #15 on: 02 September 2014, 10:16:26 »

I think that the authorities were right to track down this family to ensure that the lad is being properly looked after, but what has happened since is disgusting.  >:(  Arresting the parents and taking them away from the boy while he's in a foreign hospital is a terrible thing to do!  >:(

I really can't see why they couldn't have let them stay with the boy under guard in the hospital or tagged them maybe.  :-\
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Re: Ashya King
« Reply #16 on: 02 September 2014, 10:22:59 »

If the hospital staff reported the child as having been abducted, then Hants Police reacted in a way that any person reasonably might... Though perhaps they jumped the gun slightly. That said the staff at the hospital had a duty of care to ensure that the course of treatment they had chosen was working as intended. They could only do that with the child in their care/control.

The parents seem to have gone outside the processes in place for such situations... They coukd have left the child in Southampton (with no express consent to further treatment until a second opinion had been sought). Apparently they went to Spain to sell a property to pay for treatment in The Czech Republic :o

No rational person would entertain taking a seriously ill child, who is mid treatment on a 3500 mile road trip... (I assume the plan once the property was sold was to drive to Prague).

So yes the Police possibly over reacted, but the parents actions were, shall we say, misguided at best, negligent at worst :-\

Bang on my thoughts.  If you disagree with your doctor's opinion and/or course of treatment there are processes and ways to get things changed.  Running off with your child to a foreign country is not one of them.
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« Reply #17 on: 02 September 2014, 11:20:52 »

If the hospital staff reported the child as having been abducted, then Hants Police reacted in a way that any person reasonably might... Though perhaps they jumped the gun slightly. That said the staff at the hospital had a duty of care to ensure that the course of treatment they had chosen was working as intended. They could only do that with the child in their care/control.

The parents seem to have gone outside the processes in place for such situations... They coukd have left the child in Southampton (with no express consent to further treatment until a second opinion had been sought). Apparently they went to Spain to sell a property to pay for treatment in The Czech Republic :o

No rational person would entertain taking a seriously ill child, who is mid treatment on a 3500 mile road trip... (I assume the plan once the property was sold was to drive to Prague).

So yes the Police possibly over reacted, but the parents actions were, shall we say, misguided at best, negligent at worst :-\

Rational goes out of the window when its your own child that is ill.
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« Reply #18 on: 02 September 2014, 11:45:06 »

If the hospital staff reported the child as having been abducted, then Hants Police reacted in a way that any person reasonably might... Though perhaps they jumped the gun slightly. That said the staff at the hospital had a duty of care to ensure that the course of treatment they had chosen was working as intended. They could only do that with the child in their care/control.

The parents seem to have gone outside the processes in place for such situations... They coukd have left the child in Southampton (with no express consent to further treatment until a second opinion had been sought). Apparently they went to Spain to sell a property to pay for treatment in The Czech Republic :o

No rational person would entertain taking a seriously ill child, who is mid treatment on a 3500 mile road trip... (I assume the plan once the property was sold was to drive to Prague).

So yes the Police possibly over reacted, but the parents actions were, shall we say, misguided at best, negligent at worst :-\

Thats the best I can make out of the available facts so far. All of this could potentially have been avoided if you moved the child after informing the healthcare team. Lots of patients are repatriated to their country of choice as per their wishes in a carefully planned manner, most often with a medical escort.
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« Reply #19 on: 02 September 2014, 11:47:30 »

If the hospital staff reported the child as having been abducted, then Hants Police reacted in a way that any person reasonably might... Though perhaps they jumped the gun slightly. That said the staff at the hospital had a duty of care to ensure that the course of treatment they had chosen was working as intended. They could only do that with the child in their care/control.

The parents seem to have gone outside the processes in place for such situations... They coukd have left the child in Southampton (with no express consent to further treatment until a second opinion had been sought). Apparently they went to Spain to sell a property to pay for treatment in The Czech Republic :o

No rational person would entertain taking a seriously ill child, who is mid treatment on a 3500 mile road trip... (I assume the plan once the property was sold was to drive to Prague).

So yes the Police possibly over reacted, but the parents actions were, shall we say, misguided at best, negligent at worst :-\

Rational goes out of the window when its your own child that is ill.

True, and that is when people could do things that could hurt/harm a child. And the healthcare professional has a legal duty to protect said child by reporting it to the police.
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« Reply #20 on: 02 September 2014, 11:49:36 »

Agreed :y  Also there would be the possibility of another opinion as to the treatment of the child,but without the access to other perhaps untried/unavailable procedures in this country,then I would guess that the terminal prognosis would be the only outcome....think if it was anyone in our family then we would certainly be looking else where,even if it was clutching at straws,it's only natural to want to do that :'(
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Re: Ashya King
« Reply #21 on: 02 September 2014, 11:51:40 »



https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/69026

 :y :y

That epetition sounds like a rant, I am sorry, but I am not signing such gibberish.
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« Reply #22 on: 02 September 2014, 11:56:19 »

It certainly has a lot of 'content'  ::)
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« Reply #23 on: 02 September 2014, 13:09:49 »

If the hospital staff reported the child as having been abducted, then Hants Police reacted in a way that any person reasonably might... Though perhaps they jumped the gun slightly. That said the staff at the hospital had a duty of care to ensure that the course of treatment they had chosen was working as intended. They could only do that with the child in their care/control.

The parents seem to have gone outside the processes in place for such situations... They coukd have left the child in Southampton (with no express consent to further treatment until a second opinion had been sought). Apparently they went to Spain to sell a property to pay for treatment in The Czech Republic :o

No rational person would entertain taking a seriously ill child, who is mid treatment on a 3500 mile road trip... (I assume the plan once the property was sold was to drive to Prague).

So yes the Police possibly over reacted, but the parents actions were, shall we say, misguided at best, negligent at worst :-\

Rational goes out of the window when its your own child that is ill.
You're not wrong, but it's unusual for both parents to be unanimously irrational,  unless only one gets a say... But I'll stop that there as this is abiut the childs well being rather than religion or politics...
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« Reply #24 on: 02 September 2014, 17:11:31 »

Looks like an element of common sense is in danger of breaking out at last.

Cps withdrawn warrant, and authority's showing an ounce of concern for the child. Whatever next? Whoever is at the route of this needs to look at public spending re 3rd and 4th runways and hs2.
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« Reply #25 on: 02 September 2014, 18:13:09 »



https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/69026

 :y :y

That epetition sounds like a rant, I am sorry, but I am not signing such gibberish.

A rant? Gibberish?

Well thank God others in the know thought not and all action against the parents is ceasing. CPS has withdrawn it's warrant, due no doubt to the fact that no law had been broken, yet the parents were being held in prison and away from their poor son. :y :y :y :y

Yes Chris, at last common sense has prevailed as some have reacted to this gross injustice involving OTT action by the authorities. Not for the first time eh! ::) ::) ::)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29036154
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« Reply #26 on: 02 September 2014, 18:35:39 »



https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/69026

 :y :y

That epetition sounds like a rant, I am sorry, but I am not signing such gibberish.

A rant? Gibberish?

Well thank God others in the know thought not and all action against the parents is ceasing. CPS has withdrawn it's warrant, due no doubt to the fact that no law had been broken, yet the parents were being held in prison and away from their poor son. :y :y :y :y

Yes Chris, at last common sense has prevailed as some have reacted to this gross injustice involving OTT action by the authorities. Not for the first time eh! ::) ::) ::)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29036154

Unfortunately yes, that epetition sounds like a rant rather than a logically though out petition. There is a difference between a petition and a personal rant. Perhaps the last line makes sense, the first bit is gibberish to me.

Re: the second point, I am sure you know more about that than me.

I dont think anyone disgarees that the authorities were heavy handed. But perhaps all this could have been avoided with some common sense from the parents as well.

I speak from personal experience when I had to move my child from a hospital in Kent to Kings College hospital due to the poor care he received. I let the people in charge know, signed a form, got a discharge letter and drove him to Kings. Couldnt have been easier. And the tax payers money wasnt wasted on a manhunt.
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Re: Ashya King
« Reply #27 on: 02 September 2014, 21:51:09 »

I'm with Lizzie. :y :y ;)
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« Reply #28 on: 03 September 2014, 12:53:34 »

I'm with Lizzie. :y :y ;)

Thanks Cleggy! :y :y

I'm just so pleased that a little boy will now have seen his mother :) :) :)
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« Reply #29 on: 03 September 2014, 13:11:26 »

I just can't get excited about this.....not at all. I think social media has a lot to do with most of the stuff that makes the news.
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