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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Raeturbo on 16 September 2019, 22:46:36
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What a cock!!
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Doesn't surprise me.
Everyone buys in to this EU club unquestioningly. Through good times and bad.
To be honest apart from Donald Tusk’s poor comments they have all kept a civil approach . He was just articulating what many no doubt think.
Here in Spain it is hard to find anyone that thinks Brexit is a good idea. I drove down a new road today paid for by an EU grant of 489,600 euros and 34 cents. Very nice. I wonder who paid for that. Rhetorical question only.
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He’s a #@nker with the population of Bristol.
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Here in Spain it is hard to find anyone that thinks Brexit is a good idea. .....
I wonder why .... ::)
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Here in Spain it is hard to find anyone that thinks Brexit is a good idea. .....
I wonder why .... ::)
Because when we go the rest will have to pay more.
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Here in Spain it is hard to find anyone that thinks Brexit is a good idea. .....
I wonder why .... ::)
Because when we go the rest will have to pay more.
exactly ::)
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He’s a #@nker with the population of Bristol.
And probably with a smaller GDP. Cant see why it even qualifies as a country tbh.
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Here in Spain it is hard to find anyone that thinks Brexit is a good idea. .....
I wonder why .... ::)
Because when we go the rest will have to pay more.
exactly ::)
And other sensible countries will want to leave the gravey train club, and then the most corrupt legal club in the world will collapse.
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Here in Spain it is hard to find anyone that thinks Brexit is a good idea. I drove down a new road today paid for by an EU grant of 489,600 euros and 34 cents. Very nice. I wonder who paid for that. Rhetorical question only.
I've been to both France and Germany recently, and talked to people from all over Europe - Germany, Switzerland, France, Belgium, Austria - it's hard to find anyone from Europe who thinks Brexit is a good idea in my experience, regardless of country.. they all think we are insane, and stick us in the same 'bucket' as Trump..
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Much better than being in the same bucket as Corbyn :y
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What a cock!!
He prepared for a press conference, turned up then delivered his message in a competent manner. And he hasn't fallen for Johnson's posh bluff and bluster.
You're right, he's a monster
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If BREXIT is such a 'nightmare' for Mr Bettel, then he should veto any request for an extension of the A50 period that might be made by the UK Government. :)
Then we can all move on to the next stage! ;D
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What a cock!!
He prepared for a press conference, turned up then delivered his message in a competent manner. And he hasn't fallen for Johnson's posh bluff and bluster.
You're right, he's a monster
Indeed.
I'm quite certain that if BoJo had been on the other side of our political divide, there would be a fair clamour in these parts about his snowflake tendencies and being scared of a few people who are critical of his policies. ;D
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It descended into farce a long time ago. Expect plenty more before bedtime.
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i think most mp,s have not got a clue why the leave option was voted for with such a big majority. or they do know but because of political correctness do not mention it. also there seems a real imbalance on how the news about brexit is reported , it seems to be in the remain camp.
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Here in Spain it is hard to find anyone that thinks Brexit is a good idea. I drove down a new road today paid for by an EU grant of 489,600 euros and 34 cents. Very nice. I wonder who paid for that. Rhetorical question only.
I've been to both France and Germany recently, and talked to people from all over Europe - Germany, Switzerland, France, Belgium, Austria - it's hard to find anyone from Europe who thinks Brexit is a good idea in my experience, regardless of country.. they all think we are insane, and stick us in the same 'bucket' as Trump..
Many of my colleagues are Portuguese or Romanian. The Romanians in particular believe that joining the EU has actually done more harm than good as they have actually accentuated everything that was messed up with the soviet regime... The Portuguese are a bit more ambivalent to the whole thing, but historically see us as allies and are therefore mostly supported, albeit with the caveat that they are able to return home if it all goes horribly wrong...
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i think most mp,s have not got a clue why the leave option was voted for with such a big majority. or they do know but because of political correctness do not mention it. also there seems a real imbalance on how the news about brexit is reported , it seems to be in the remain camp.
Eh? Are we thinking of different referendums? :-\
As for the news, I think BoJo in particular has had a pretty soft ride. He has just about the worst voting record of any PM in modern times, even down to losing control of parliamentary business in his first week.
What did the papers have to say about it "Corbyn chickens out of election" or similar. ::)
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i think most MPs have not got a clue why the leave option was voted for with such a big majority. or they do know but because of political correctness do not mention it. also there seems a real imbalance on how the news about brexit is reported , it seems to be in the remain camp.
You think 48/52 from a 72% turnout is a big majority? That's always been called marginal by any of the politicians I knew.
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Here in Spain it is hard to find anyone that thinks Brexit is a good idea. I drove down a new road today paid for by an EU grant of 489,600 euros and 34 cents. Very nice. I wonder who paid for that. Rhetorical question only.
I've been to both France and Germany recently, and talked to people from all over Europe - Germany, Switzerland, France, Belgium, Austria - it's hard to find anyone from Europe who thinks Brexit is a good idea in my experience, regardless of country.. they all think we are insane, and stick us in the same 'bucket' as Trump..
They would say that though, seeing as we pay their bills.
A majority of over a million is a decent majority by any measure.
Imo you have to be blinded by bias to not realise that there was an organised attempt to stitch Boris up yesterday. The protesters (led by a Canadian !) were allowed very close to the speakers podiums, the cheerleader had a very loud megaphone screaming "Bog of Boris, bollix to Brexit, STOOOPP BREXXXXIT" etc.etc.
Boris and his people knew that whatever he said, non of it was going to be hearD, so he asked for the press conference to take place inside the large Govt. building. He was told there wasn't a room big enough to hold a press conference, and at that point twigged he was being setup, so told them tO stick it up their arris.
Smart move on his part.
The sight of the PM of this" country" (the same size as Leeds) castigating the absent British PM and indeed the people of Britain, made him look like the moron he is. Unfit to hold office, even in a country far to small to be called a country.
Why anyone would want to be joined at the hip with people like that is beyond me.
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1,269,501 more people voted to leave the European Union than voted to remain. :)
Just for perspective that's 678,834 more than the population of Luxembourg (590,667). :P ;D
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1,269,501 more people voted to leave the European Union than voted to remain. :)
Just for perspective that's 678,834 more than the population of Luxembourg (590,667). :P ;D
Did they get two votes then?
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1,269,501 more people voted to leave the European Union than voted to remain. :)
Just for perspective that's 678,834 more than the population of Luxembourg (590,667). :P ;D
I know, isn't it shocking how thick so many people are ;D ;D ;D
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They would say that though, seeing as we pay their bills.
A majority of over a million is a decent majority by any measure.
By any measure?
A one million majority out of a total count of 2 million is a big majority.
but out of 200 million is a tiny majority.
The 1.2 million Leave vote is undeniably a majority, but you cannot make comparisons(big, small, decent - whatever that means) without referencing the baseline numbers
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The sight of the PM of this" country" (the same size as Leeds) castigating the absent British PM and indeed the people of Britain, made him look like the moron he is. Unfit to hold office, even in a country far too small to be called a country.
Who gets to decide how big a country is? Luxembourg is 165 out 195 countries worldwide listed by population. Where do you draw the line? 5 million - that's Ireland gone. 10 million - Sweden just scrapes in. 25 million - congratulations Australia, you've only recently become big enough to be a country.
Lets call it 65 million so we come in near the bottom of the list to make it fair. And just as importantly we still beat France :y
Bettel is competently representing his electorate. He doesn't agree with your opinion, but that doesn't make him unfit to hold office.
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1,269,501 more people voted to leave the European Union than voted to remain. :)
Just for perspective that's 678,834 more than the population of Luxembourg (590,667). :P ;D
I know, isn't it shocking how thick so many people are ;D ;D ;D
Thick to vote against this ?
https://order-order.com/2019/09/14/lib-dems-applaud-call-eu-become-empire/
Or intelligent enough to realise that possible financial considerations aren't the mot important thing in life. There are some things which are far more important.
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Here in Spain it is hard to find anyone that thinks Brexit is a good idea. I drove down a new road today paid for by an EU grant of 489,600 euros and 34 cents. Very nice. I wonder who paid for that. Rhetorical question only.
I've been to both France and Germany recently, and talked to people from all over Europe - Germany, Switzerland, France, Belgium, Austria - it's hard to find anyone from Europe who thinks Brexit is a good idea in my experience, regardless of country.. they all think we are insane, and stick us in the same 'bucket' as Trump..
They would say that though, seeing as we pay their bills.
A majority of over a million is a decent majority by any measure.
Imo you have to be blinded by bias to not realise that there was an organised attempt to stitch Boris up yesterday. The protesters (led by a Canadian !) were allowed very close to the speakers podiums, the cheerleader had a very loud megaphone screaming "Bog of Boris, bollix to Brexit, STOOOPP BREXXXXIT" etc.etc.
Boris and his people knew that whatever he said, non of it was going to be hearD, so he asked for the press conference to take place inside the large Govt. building. He was told there wasn't a room big enough to hold a press conference, and at that point twigged he was being setup, so told them tO stick it up their arris.
Smart move on his part.
The sight of the PM of this" country" (the same size as Leeds) castigating the absent British PM and indeed the people of Britain, made him look like the moron he is. Unfit to hold office, even in a country far to small to be called a country.
Why anyone would want to be joined at the hip with people like that is beyond me.
Of course it was a stitch up, the PM of Luxembourg couldn't help but make that clear during his rant. Once he got over his opening jest, pointing to the empty lectern, he banged on about 'who would be to blame' if there was no deal. He seemed more interested in playing the blame game, saying Boris was trying to blame the EU (which, in fairness, he was) but it was really the UK at fault.
I don't care who's fault it is/was/will be, we need some sort of closure very soon. Every other piece of government business is suffering because of the obsession with Brexit, both here and on the incontinent. Surely the Europeans must realise that another extension is futile, because any 'deal' offered will not pass through parliament, and we are bound to end up either leaving with no deal or remaining.
Unfortunately, the only ways that can be achieved is by the Lib Dem's getting in (remain), Tories getting in (leave) or one/two/several EU members saying 'enough is enough' and vetoing an extension (leave).
Any resolution cannot come quick enough for me.
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i think most mp,s have not got a clue why the leave option was voted for with such a big majority. or they do know but because of political correctness do not mention it. also there seems a real imbalance on how the news about brexit is reported , it seems to be in the remain camp.
The BEEB is only the audio version of the Grauniad. Sacking offence to be seen reading anything else. :-X
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made him look like the moron he is. Unfit to hold office
Its unclear which leader you are referring to, UK or Lux.
In fact, I think that the Lux PM was professional, and its "our" man who is being a complete tit.
I'd always credited BoJo as a clever man acting stupid. Seems he's isn't, and is simply a stupid man acting like a spoilt brat. I'm actually embarrassed.
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Why? Boris was clearly stitched up. ::)
Why hold the press conference right by the gate where rent-a-mob were baying for blood? ???
Do you really believe that a property like that didn't have a suitable room inside or another outdoor space, garden/terrace etc away from the lynch mob? ::)
The embarrassing thing if any is that Boris and his team walked into the trap. ;)
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Boris done the right thing what did you want to happen? What if the protesters were leavers would you have the same opinion? Why should he have exposed himself to the simpletons? I’m not unclear, he’s a cock whatever country he’s leading as I said in the first post. Planned theatrical bollo)( and anyone dismissing a 1.2 Million majority is either suffering mental issues or mathematical ones.
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We are stuffed
Three years on and the remainers are polarised to stay in their beloved EU
The leavers are fervent still in their desire to get out
There are those vacillating between the two camps.
Haven't seen anything from either side to heal the rift.
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Not using negative words like 'rift' or 'divide' or 'camp' or 'entrenched' would be a start.
It will happen, so we may as well work on moving forward with a single mind and 'can-do' attitude...
After all, that's what drove our grandparents to defend our green and pleasant land... Otherwise, why did they bother?
This same 'can-do' attitude is what built the colonies and keeps them strong still.
If the Remoaners genuinely want to live in the fetid pond in the corner of the EU that we are fast becoming, they are certainly going the right way about it :-X
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I think the Eu are trying to bend us over, I wish I knew how to put a poll up on here to see the results. Anyone.....................
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Anyone else think compulsory voting should be made law ? would it not give a true reflection of the peoples wishes ? 17.4 million leave votes out of an electorate of 46.5 million leaves a lot to be desired ( ducks and runs for the hills ) ;)
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Not using negative words like 'rift' or 'divide' or 'camp' or 'entrenched' would be a start.
It will happen, so we may as well work on moving forward with a single mind and 'can-do' attitude...
After all, that's what drove our grandparents to defend our green and pleasant land... Otherwise, why did they bother?
This same 'can-do' attitude is what built the colonies and keeps them strong still.
If the Remoaners genuinely want to live in the fetid pond in the corner of the EU that we are fast becoming, they are certainly going the right way about it :-X
That's all very well, but you have 48% of people who voted not in any way represented in what came after. Hence why we are now most likely heading for a result that only a minority would want (wind the clock back 3yrs and pretty much no mainstream politician was even acknowledging no deal as a possibility).
In this century, and for some time before that, that kind of "this is what's happening get over it" mentality doesn't wash. May's unwillingness to engage with the broader parliament, or even acknowledge the 'losing side' has ensured a good decade or two of rift.
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Equally that 48% could. Have voted leave.
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Equally that 48% could. Have voted leave.
Eh?
I don't understand your point? Just because you are not in the majority of a vote doesn't mean that you change your views. In this day and age, if you want people to get on board you have to respect their viewpoint. Since the result, both PMs have behaved like it was a landslide result and ignored the minority.
Telling 'remoamers' to 'get over it' is no more likely to get them to change their views than telling trump voters they're bigoted imbeciles. :y
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By your own admission 48% didn’t know what they were voting for, so how do you know the 52% knew what they were voting For? Probably be much more of a majority if they knew they were going to get shafted!
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Equally that 48% could. Have voted leave.
Eh?
I don't understand your point? Just because you are not in the majority of a vote doesn't mean that you change your views. In this day and age, if you want people to get on board you have to respect their viewpoint. Since the result, both PMs have behaved like it was a landslide result and ignored the minority.
Telling 'remoamers' to 'get over it' is no more likely to get them to change their views than telling trump voters they're bigoted imbeciles. :y
That just illustrates my point. Nothing has changed. The EU have hardened their approach with leaders parachuted in who are toeing the establishments line.
The UK politicians cant agree on a way forward.
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Not using negative words like 'rift' or 'divide' or 'camp' or 'entrenched' would be a start.
It will happen, so we may as well work on moving forward with a single mind and 'can-do' attitude...
After all, that's what drove our grandparents to defend our green and pleasant land... Otherwise, why did they bother?
This same 'can-do' attitude is what built the colonies and keeps them strong still.
If the Remoaners genuinely want to live in the fetid pond in the corner of the EU that we are fast becoming, they are certainly going the right way about it :-X
That's all very well, but you have 100% of people who voted not in any way represented in what came after. Hence why we are now most likely heading for a result that only a minority would want (wind the clock back 3yrs and pretty much no mainstream politician was even acknowledging no deal as a possibility).
In this century, and for some time before that, that kind of "this is what's happening get over it" mentality doesn't wash. May's unwillingness to engage with the broader parliament, or even acknowledge the 'losing side' has ensured a good decade or two of rift.
Fixed. We have ALL been turned over... Which is the bigger issue. Separating Brexit from a GE is the only way forward.
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That just illustrates my point. Nothing has changed. The EU have hardened their approach with leaders parachuted in who are toeing the establishments line.
The UK politicians can't agree on a way forward.
It would be even worse if one of the more public disagreers(sorry!) suddenly became Prime Minister and had to deal with the problem himself.
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They should all be working together as one on this, that’s what they’re fu(king paid for.
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Not using negative words like 'rift' or 'divide' or 'camp' or 'entrenched' would be a start.
It will happen, so we may as well work on moving forward with a single mind and 'can-do' attitude...
After all, that's what drove our grandparents to defend our green and pleasant land... Otherwise, why did they bother?
This same 'can-do' attitude is what built the colonies and keeps them strong still.
If the Remoaners genuinely want to live in the fetid pond in the corner of the EU that we are fast becoming, they are certainly going the right way about it :-X
That's all very well, but you have 48% of people who voted not in any way represented in what came after. Hence why we are now most likely heading for a result that only a minority would want (wind the clock back 3yrs and pretty much no mainstream politician was even acknowledging no deal as a possibility).
In this century, and for some time before that, that kind of "this is what's happening get over it" mentality doesn't wash. May's unwillingness to engage with the broader parliament, or even acknowledge the 'losing side' has ensured a good decade or two of rift.
This bloke was pretty mainstream. He was the PM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5ky8IJaJ_Y
Him again plus Osborne Hammond benn etc. etc. Other videos are available.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=bRITISH+POLITICIANs+speak+of+leaving+eu+on+wto+terms+2016.&&view=detail&mid=DDB861CA1F9D95F94F0FDDB861CA1F9D95F94F0F&&FORM=VRDGAR
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=bRITISH+POLITICIANs+speak+of+leaving+eu+on+wto+terms+2016.&&view=detail&mid=F9A7953CE9888C15CFFDF9A7953CE9888C15CFFD&&FORM=VRDGAR
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They should all be working together as one on this, that’s what they’re fu(king paid for.
It really isn't. If in the GE that's happened since the referendum the mp stood on a remain agenda, that's what they should be working towards.
Given its a representative democracy and all that jazz :y
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No, it was voted on and the result should be adhered to, the GE was not another referendum.
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Is it democratic to vote for an MP because he or she is standing on a party manifesto and then for that MP to leave the party and go join a different party and manifesto?
I have always felt there should be a by election in all such cases. I dare say not worth the trouble and cost given you are heading for a GE anyway apparently.
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No, it was voted on and the result should be adhered to, the GE was not another referendum.
Nobody said it was ??? But if an MP is voted into office on a set of policies in a manifesto, they should be working to execute those policies in parliament. It's literally what they're there to do. Not to act to implement a decision taken by a previous government, regardless of how much you want them to.
I have always felt there should be a by election in all such cases. I dare say not worth the trouble and cost given you are heading for a GE anyway apparently.
Yes, in principle I agree, there should. They were voted in on the basis that they were going to try and deliver on one manifesto, so to switch it out mid-way through should trigger a need for re-election.
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I agree Varche a candidate stands on the policies of the party they represent and is voted for on such.If they then jump ship to another party they're no longer representing the policies they were voted in to do,so they should go to a by-election to see if their constituents now want the new policies they stand for.
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At the last election, both Tories and Labour manifestos said they would honour the referendum result by leaving the EU including the customs union and single market. Seems laughable now, doesn't it.
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Well... I think we will be worse off if we don’t come out now without a deal, after all this fuss. They’ve got us by the bollo)(. Out meant out and the whole of parliament had a duty to come together and get us the best deal they could. Remain had been taken off the table.
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I see that Farage has been shouting that Boris was stitched up by the Lux pm,I can see a deal being struck between Boris and Nigel ::)
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I see that Farage has been shouting that Boris was stitched up by the Lux pm,I can see a deal being struck between Boris and Nigel ::)
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/farage-attacks-pipsqueak-luxembourg-pm-over-boris-humiliation-a4239736.html
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Farage believes it likely that the EU are going to make some adjustment to the backstop, so they and he can declare successful negotiations and try and get Treasonous Mays deal through the commons at the fourth attempt. I suspect he may well be right.
If Boris tries this Farage is going to put up candidates in every seat come the election.
If Boris doesn't try it, Farage is willing to cooperate to do as much damage to Corbyn as possible in the north and hopefully wreck Labours chances of winning a majority.
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Why? Boris was clearly stitched up. ::)
Why hold the press conference right by the gate where rent-a-mob were baying for blood? ???
Do you really believe that a property like that didn't have a suitable room inside or another outdoor space, garden/terrace etc away from the lynch mob? ::)
The embarrassing thing if any is that Boris and his team walked into the trap. ;)
Firstly, he (and thus the country) looks weak for being too childish/spoilt to face it.
Secondly, it was really for TV cameras, who would be plugged in to the lectern mics, and the sound engineers working hard to get what both PMs were saying, not crap going on virtually out of shot.
All politics is a stitch up game, and he aint new to this.
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No chance, like you can’t hear the shouts when folk are being interviewed at Westminster? Nonsense, and I think it made him look far better than getting into that s#it. No he’s not new to this he dealt with it amicably.
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Why? Boris was clearly stitched up. ::)
Why hold the press conference right by the gate where rent-a-mob were baying for blood? ???
Do you really believe that a property like that didn't have a suitable room inside or another outdoor space, garden/terrace etc away from the lynch mob? ::)
The embarrassing thing if any is that Boris and his team walked into the trap. ;)
Firstly, he (and thus the country) looks weak for being too childish/spoilt to face it.
Secondly, it was really for TV cameras, who would be plugged in to the lectern mics, and the sound engineers working hard to get what both PMs were saying, not crap going on virtually out of shot.
All politics is a stitch up game, and he aint new to this.
No you're wrong as usual! :P ;D
Boris was right to swerve the press conference as who knows what the puffed up Burgher would have said to the cameras if he was actually stood next to him. ::) ;)
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Why? Boris was clearly stitched up. ::)
Why hold the press conference right by the gate where rent-a-mob were baying for blood? ???
Do you really believe that a property like that didn't have a suitable room inside or another outdoor space, garden/terrace etc away from the lynch mob? ::)
The embarrassing thing if any is that Boris and his team walked into the trap. ;)
Firstly, he (and thus the country) looks weak for being too childish/spoilt to face it.
Secondly, it was really for TV cameras, who would be plugged in to the lectern mics, and the sound engineers working hard to get what both PMs were saying, not crap going on virtually out of shot.
All politics is a stitch up game, and he aint new to this.
No you're wrong as usual! :P ;D
Boris was right to swerve the press conference as who knows what the puffed up Burgher would have said to the cameras if he was actually stood next to him. ::) ;)
So you want to go back to a world where senior politicians don't have to face the media when they are concerned they may get some criticism? As that is what you are effectively saying.
For that reason, I believe it is you who is wrong ;). As usual :P ;D
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No chance, like you can’t hear the shouts when folk are being interviewed at Westminster? Nonsense, and I think it made him look far better than getting into that s#it. No he’s not new to this he dealt with it amicably.
Just about everyone thinks he has come off worse, and is shown to be weak, and thus the UK is weak.
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Why? Boris was clearly stitched up. ::)
Why hold the press conference right by the gate where rent-a-mob were baying for blood? ???
Do you really believe that a property like that didn't have a suitable room inside or another outdoor space, garden/terrace etc away from the lynch mob? ::)
The embarrassing thing if any is that Boris and his team walked into the trap. ;)
Firstly, he (and thus the country) looks weak for being too childish/spoilt to face it.
Secondly, it was really for TV cameras, who would be plugged in to the lectern mics, and the sound engineers working hard to get what both PMs were saying, not crap going on virtually out of shot.
All politics is a stitch up game, and he aint new to this.
No you're wrong as usual! :P ;D
Boris was right to swerve the press conference as who knows what the puffed up Burgher would have said to the cameras if he was actually stood next to him. ::) ;)
So you want to go back to a world where senior politicians don't have to face the media when they are concerned they may get some criticism? As that is what you are effectively saying.
For that reason, I believe it is you who is wrong ;). As usual :P ;D
Not at all, but holding a press conference bang next to the lynch mob at the gates was just ridiculous and if it had been a noisy anti EU mob they'd have gone round the back to the Rose Garden or inside to the Ballroom pronto! :)
So for that reason, I believe it is you who is wrong ;). As usual :P ;D
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Yet another example of the biased lazy journalism from our media. All doy long our tv screens have been filled with the images of an angry father of a sick child tackling Boris on a hospital visit about the NHS.
The "angry father of a sick child is actually a Labour activist and former staffer to Emily Thornberry.
Was it a setup / stitchup type of scenario ? I don't know, but if Guido Fawkes can indentify him within a few hours, why couldn't the BBC. SKY, ITV, C4 etc ?
https://order-order.com/2019/09/18/boris-heckler-labour-activist/
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Yet another example of the biased lazy journalism from our media. All doy long our tv screens have been filled with the images of an angry father of a sick child tackling Boris on a hospital visit about the NHS.
The "angry father of a sick child is actually a Labour activist and former staffer to Emily Thornberry.
Was it a setup / stitchup type of scenario ? I don't know, but if Guido Fawkes can indentify him within a few hours, why couldn't the BBC. SKY, ITV, C4 etc ?
https://order-order.com/2019/09/18/boris-heckler-labour-activist/
Will the beeb mention this on later bulletins, or just rerun the report? Well? I know what I think.
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Yet another example of the biased lazy journalism from our media. All doy long our tv screens have been filled with the images of an angry father of a sick child tackling Boris on a hospital visit about the NHS.
The "angry father of a sick child is actually a Labour activist and former staffer to Emily Thornberry.
Was it a setup / stitchup type of scenario ? I don't know, but if Guido Fawkes can indentify him within a few hours, why couldn't the BBC. SKY, ITV, C4 etc ?
https://order-order.com/2019/09/18/boris-heckler-labour-activist/
You mean like in Johnson's first disastrous weeks as PM, when he lost 6 votes in 6 days but all the papers could report was that Corbyn was chicken for not backing a general election that BJ himself claimed he didn't want?
Johnson has the wherewithal to buy best spin doctors, aides and flunkies available, if he can't engineer a way out of that, or the Luxembourg debacle, it really is a poor show.
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Err.. Corbyn is afraid of an election, Eg Chicken, didn’t you know?
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Err.. Corbyn is afraid of an election, Eg Chicken, didn’t you know?
I don't think an election will solve anything. Politicians will tell lies for a month or so, and then we'll get a no-overall-majority government.
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Yes I was just replying :y
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Farage believes it likely that the EU are going to make some adjustment to the backstop, so they and he can declare successful negotiations and try and get Treasonous Mays deal through the commons at the fourth attempt. I suspect he may well be right.
If Boris tries this Farage is going to put up candidates in every seat come the election.
If Boris doesn't try it, Farage is willing to cooperate to do as much damage to Corbyn as possible in the north and hopefully wreck Labours chances of winning a majority.
I actually think that we will end up with Mays dreadful deal possibly with a minor tweak or two. Worse than remain and worse than "No Deal".
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That’s what I think too :-[
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You mean like in Johnson's first disastrous weeks as PM, when he lost 6 votes in 6 days but all the papers could report was that Corbyn was chicken for not backing a general election that BJ himself claimed he didn't want?
Johnson has the wherewithal to buy best spin doctors, aides and flunkies available, if he can't engineer a way out of that, or the Luxembourg debacle, it really is a poor show.
He still has to stand up and be seen to be leading. It's an important part of being PM, or leader of his party. It's never been one of his skills, and he doesn't have any technical competence to make up for it.
Walking away from an appointment is weak, especially when the other party stays and makes the most of it. The sort of thing an effective politician does instinctively.
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No I think he’s playing it right he can’t be arsed with the bulls#it and he’s making it clear. Good on him I say he’s standing up for us.
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He either has a cunning plan, or he's totally bewildered. ;D
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The way forward is to leave with no deal.
Give it three , maybe five years.
Then entertain the possibility of a vote to rejoin the EU. Obviously loads of caveats would apply. For example raise the threshold for the vote. A proper debate with Rods2 presenting for staying out. We would also need to knowthe rejoining terms.
Simples
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The way forward is to leave with no deal.
Give it three , maybe five years.
Then entertain the possibility of a vote to rejoin the EU. Obviously loads of caveats would apply. For example raise the threshold for the vote. A proper debate with Rods2 presenting for staying out. We would also need to knowthe rejoining terms.
Simples
There can only be one of two outcomes, leave with no deal or remain. Leaving with 'a deal' cannot be an option because parliament won't pass it. Leaving with 'a deal' cannot be put on any ballot paper because 'a deal' is unquantifiable.
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Farage believes it likely that the EU are going to make some adjustment to the backstop, so they and he can declare successful negotiations and try and get Treasonous Mays deal through the commons at the fourth attempt. I suspect he may well be right.
If Boris tries this Farage is going to put up candidates in every seat come the election.
If Boris doesn't try it, Farage is willing to cooperate to do as much damage to Corbyn as possible in the north and hopefully wreck Labours chances of winning a majority.
I actually think that we will end up with Mays dreadful deal possibly with a minor tweak or two. Worse than remain and worse than "No Deal".
It will be interesting to see what happens if we don't, bearing in mind BJ would have to somehow recall parliament to vote on the deal, but then fenangle his way out of a no-deal that's been made impossible in law. ???
What the country really needs is some stability. As a remainer, I'd prefer that to be by staying in the EU (obviously), but personally, we're financially well up this year due to the pound being in the sh!tter, so, from that perspective, long may the uncertainty continue ;D.
Walking away from an appointment is weak, especially when the other party stays and makes the most of it. The sort of thing an effective politician does instinctively.
Agreed, scurrying back to Blighty because of a small group of "leftie snowflake remoaners" (to put it in OOF terms) leaves him looking comically weak and at odds with the Incredible Hulk-esque persona hes trying and failing miserably to generate. He's falling into the same trap Davis did, going over there, giving the foreign jonnys what for and coming back with sod all for his troubles. He, and the country he represents are rightly a laughing stock on the world stage just now.
There can only be one of two outcomes, leave with no deal or remain. Leaving with 'a deal' cannot be an option because parliament won't pass it. Leaving with 'a deal' cannot be put on any ballot paper because 'a deal' is unquantifiable.
Given that BJ has been (and possibly still is), a 'remoaner', what do you think is the most likely?
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I think it’s unlikely he will tone down a lot on what he’s promised,.... but there you go he’s an MP you can’t trust any of them IMHO of course.
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Farage believes it likely that the EU are going to make some adjustment to the backstop, so they and he can declare successful negotiations and try and get Treasonous Mays deal through the commons at the fourth attempt. I suspect he may well be right.
If Boris tries this Farage is going to put up candidates in every seat come the election.
If Boris doesn't try it, Farage is willing to cooperate to do as much damage to Corbyn as possible in the north and hopefully wreck Labours chances of winning a majority.
I actually think that we will end up with Mays dreadful deal possibly with a minor tweak or two. Worse than remain and worse than "No Deal".
You are likely right Rog, but I think that the Labour Party will come to the country's rescue and will vote against it purely on the basis that it is not their deal! ;D
The Illiberal Undemocrats will also vote against as they are now committed to revoking A50 without a Peoples Vote, probably because they don't trust the people to vote the right way. ::)
The SNP will vote against as their preferred situation is for the UK still to be in the EU if and when they manage to hold IndyRef2, so that they can claim that the EU will let Scotland stay in if they vote for independence. ;)
The other small anti BREXIT parties, Change (or whatever they call themselves), Plaid etc will vote against just because a deal takes us out. Then there are the ERG and DUP who will take a lot of persuading and the embittered Tory exiles.
So even if Boris can get a deal, I think it is unlikely that he will get it through Parliament, and unless he has an ace up his sleeve to get round the Benn Bill or whatever cunning plan this Parliament can come up with to stop us leaving on the 31st, we are at the mercy of the EU Council. :-\
The sting in the tail of the Benn Bill is that not only does it direct the PM to ask for an extension, he has to agree to whatever time scale the EU offers! >:(
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he’s standing up for us.
Really? By acting like a weak, spoilt snowflake-like pillock?
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That’s your interpretation which is opposite to my correct one.
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That’s your interpretation which is opposite to my correct one.
Well, its seems the whole world disagrees with you ;D.
I had expected much better of Boris, who I thought was more switched on than that, and just played the bafoon.
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Only one in the world? Don’t be silly, the way he’s playing it he has plenty of time to talk. He obviously knew there was an hostile crowd and PM why play their game? He didn’t have to, he wants them to think maybe correctly that’s he’s not really bothered coming out with a deal and can speak in better surroundings causing the EU elite even more aggro. Playing the buffoon will fit in well with the rest of the parasitic morons anyway :y
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I don't particularly like Boris and I certainly don't trust him. However, if you are familiar with the facts of the story, I don't think you could fail to conclude that he was setup, he realised it was happening, so walked away and left the bloke talking to himself.
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I don't particularly like Boris and I certainly don't trust him. However, if you are familiar with the facts of the story, I don't think you could fail to conclude that he was setup, he realised it was happening, so walked away and left the bloke talking to himself.
Yes indeed, sometimes it takes bigger ballo)( to just walk away :y
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I don't particularly like Boris and I certainly don't trust him. However, if you are familiar with the facts of the story, I don't think you could fail to conclude that he was setup, he realised it was happening, so walked away and left the bloke talking to himself.
And in the process showed himself to those he is trying to negotiate with that he's just a little be soft and pathetic. Great job.
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He chose the lesser of two evils imo, and if anything showed he wasn't willing to play their games by their rules.
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If Boris did anything wrong in Luxembourg, it was that he didn't send a stronger message that he wasn't going to be treated like that. :)
Maybe he did though, just not publicly. ;)
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That’s your interpretation which is opposite to my correct one.
Well, its seems the whole world disagrees with you ;D.
I had expected much better of Boris, who I thought was more switched on than that, and just played the bafoon.
I have been saying he is a buffoon for ages now, but I hoped he would prove me wrong. No chance it seems! ::) ::) :)
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I have said it before but we just do not seem to have any states” person” s any more.
None of the leaders or wannabe leaders command respect.
Shame we are ripping ourselves apart very publicly in front of a quite united EU. It is like the way we treat our sportsmen and women. Other countries laud their players even if they dont win. Britain we rubbish everyone.
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I don't particularly like Boris and I certainly don't trust him. However, if you are familiar with the facts of the story, I don't think you could fail to conclude that he was setup, he realised it was happening, so walked away and left the bloke talking to himself.
And in the process showed himself to those he is trying to negotiate with that he's just a little be soft and pathetic. Great job.
. Soft and pathetic, where on earth did you conjure that from, he wasn’t there! He turned it down, he did not appear, he failed to turn up, he avoided and scuppered a fore planned situation which would have done him more harm than good. That’s his job!
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I don't particularly like Boris and I certainly don't trust him. However, if you are familiar with the facts of the story, I don't think you could fail to conclude that he was setup, he realised it was happening, so walked away and left the bloke talking to himself.
And in the process showed himself to those he is trying to negotiate with that he's just a little be soft and pathetic. Great job.
. Soft and pathetic, where on earth did you conjure that from, he wasn’t there! He turned it down, he did not appear, he failed to turn up, he avoided and scuppered a fore planned situation which would have done him more harm than good. That’s his job!
Which has made him look weak and pathetic. Jeez.
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I don't particularly like Boris and I certainly don't trust him. However, if you are familiar with the facts of the story, I don't think you could fail to conclude that he was setup, he realised it was happening, so walked away and left the bloke talking to himself.
And in the process showed himself to those he is trying to negotiate with that he's just a little be soft and pathetic. Great job.
. Soft and pathetic, where on earth did you conjure that from, he wasn’t there! He turned it down, he did not appear, he failed to turn up, he avoided and scuppered a fore planned situation which would have done him more harm than good. That’s his job!
Which has made him look weak and pathetic. Jeez.
As he did during the recent hospital confrontation when he denied the press were there, as the BBC were filming him, which the aggrieved father pointed out to the Buffoon and again made him appear, at the very least, stupid! ::) ::) >:(
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The aggrieved father who happened to be a Labour protagonist... ::)
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^^ yes of course I agree^^..... it’s all a farce our PM is playing his cards close to his chest, he’s all we got at the moment pity some people who may not like his character/mannerisms didn’t shut up and back him, how the hell is expected to get anywhere when his own people are stabbing him in the back? Would they rather Corbyn perhaps?
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^^ yes of course I agree^^..... it’s all a farce our PM is playing his cards close to his chest, he’s all we got at the moment pity some people who may not like his character/mannerisms didn’t shut up and back him, how the hell is expected to get anywhere when his own people are stabbing him in the back? Would they rather Corbyn perhaps?
Corbyn. The Labour Party are tearing themselves apart quite nicely at conference. Two of the Sunday broadsheets reported that the move against the deputy leader, Tom Watson, by momentum, was to stop him becoming leader in the event that Jeremy Corbyn resigned. Apparently, he has stated to those close to him that this is a real possibility, because he is 'under too much pressure'.
Add to that the outrageous language coming from the Trotskyites about turning the country into a left wing version of Cuba, and I think we are safe from a Labour government.
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I bloody well hope so!
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The aggrieved father who happened to be a Labour protagonist... ::)
And how does that affect Boris's blunder wrongly claiming the press were not there? ::)
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Frankly, who gives a shit? Beyond, millenials, snowflakes and communists obviously... ::)
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The aggrieved father who happened to be a Labour protagonist... ::)
Yup. And possibly a setup. But he showed that same childish, spoilt brat nature by claiming there was no media present when there appears to have been a BBC film crew (camera man and sound engineer at least) and some press not 5yrds away.
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The aggrieved father who happened to be a Labour protagonist... ::)
Yup. And possibly a setup. But he showed that same childish, spoilt brat nature by claiming there was no media present when there appears to have been a BBC film crew (camera man and sound engineer at least) and some press not 5yrds away.
That were probably all prearranged to make a bit of a stir... Smoke and mirrors etc... Where was the actual fire? ;)
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The aggrieved father who happened to be a Labour protagonist... ::)
Yup. And possibly a setup. But he showed that same childish, spoilt brat nature by claiming there was no media present when there appears to have been a BBC film crew (camera man and sound engineer at least) and some press not 5yrds away.
That were probably all prearranged to make a bit of a stir... Smoke and mirrors etc... Where was the actual fire? ;)
I'm not saying it was a non story. Personally, I think the NHS should be shut down*. But he was there, and if he didn't notice the press, a camera crew, and a fikcing great big bright light for filming, then he really is stupid or blind.
* Obviously Boris thinks otherwise, as he was trying to suggest to the voters that the NHS would get £350m extra a week, but the whole world and his dog knows that was a Corbyn style thing to win votes from the stupid.... ...of which Britain is full of.