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General Discussion Area / Re: Why do we want to leave the EU?
« on: 23 January 2019, 18:36:25 »
You could have a field day on there.
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Take a ride in a car of that era & you'll realise how much cars have improved but got to admit they do look great.
Indeed. Unless it's made by Lotus whereby it'll handle beautifully, on the rare occasion it actually runs, and look bloody awful. *
*- unless it's an Elan.
It appears the trolls her love sewage on their beaches and want the UK to go back to before the EU rules it must be fixed.
And they love the fact that air pollution is killing 40,000 people a year.
And they are so pleased that their government just does not care about it.
And they are too blind and bigoted to see that the EU does care about it.
Still, all the polls showed that the lower your educational qualifications, the more likely you were to vote to leave, so it does sort of explain it.
I saw a claim on another forum that buried in the Lisbon Treaty is a provision to standardise the way healthcare is delivered across the EU.
Now I'm no expert on this but as far as I'm aware most countries on the continent operate a hybrid system where people have to have basic health insurance and governments pick up the tab for the rest via taxation. In the Republic of Ireland for example it costs about 60 Euros to see a GP I believe?
If this is true it seems likely that if we ended up staying in the EU and the EU decided to standardise healthcare, the government of the day would be forced to restructure the NHS to a European system where we all have to have health insurance and maybe even end the principle of free at the point of delivery.
The obvious answer is No, we'd just Veto it!, but and this where it gets interesting as the EU are due to end national vetoes and issues will be decided with Qualified Majority Voting. So it seems likely that if this is true and happened, more countries would vote to keep the status quo rather than restructure their healthcare systems.
I havn't read the Lisbon Treaty so it might be a huge conspiracy theory, but it's an interesting thought non the less!
And the next time you come across some shouty Momentum leftie/remainer headbanger claiming that the Tories are going to sell the NHS to the Yanks, this is a handy comeback!
Fake news.
Doing so requires treaty change, which in turn requires the unanimous approval of all EU28/EU27 member states. The veto exists unless we (and every other EU country) chose to give it up.
Same for all this tosh about rebates, EU army, forced into Schengen, forced to use the Euro etc. I've no doubt that some in the EU would like these things to happen, but it can't unless all EU members agree.
I doubt it Lizzie, but it dosn't stop the scare/doom mongers from bringing it up!If that was aimed at me, no, I brought it up as a sensible, though tongue-in-cheek, option to solve all the issues...
Republic of Ireland - scared, very scared, for good reason
IRA - happy initially (which shows it would be a bad thing) - then mercilessly slaughtered - a good thing
Unionists - Angry beyond belief at the death of democracy, and complete betrayal by Westminster, they would make sure we all care
Pragmatic EU leavers - if they are happy with that, they aren't pragmatic, they are incredibly weak and terminally stupid.
Hardcore hard exit EU leavers - very angered, and in despair about the death of Democracy.
Hmmm, maybe it is an option
And just as predictably, was used in the commons today to apply pressure on May to think carefully about what she is doing.Agreed, but they know its a way to make enough headlines to potentially influence things. Maybe the vote should have been to leave, bu 1.t make NI part of Ireland. That also solves the backstop
Its sick.Also, a Labour MP in the commons today called the hard line brexiteers in the Tory party Fascists. To my knowledge, squeaker Bercow didn't so much as raise an eyebrow. Disgusting.Bercow's 2. recent actions do seem to be bias towards the leave side. Maybe he was evening things up