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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: STEMO on 07 April 2019, 07:11:22
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I was fast asleep in bed when I heard the doorbell going. I could hear voices so, still half asleep, I went to the front door. A scruffy looking individual asked me if the red car parked outside was mine, because he'd just seen someone set fire to it. I looked to the side of the house and, sure enough, flames were licking up from the centre of the rear bumper. Fella who knocked was off down the road, very strange.
Runs downstairs for a closer look, by now the car is well alight and my next door neighbour is out with a bowl of water, which isn't having much effect. I grabs my garden hose and run out with that and, after a while (that plastic really is a bastard to put out) it's out. It starts again, inside and underneath. Again I put it out. Phew.
Ring police...999....busy....have to wait. Eventually get through and tell the story, and am transferred to another number for an incident number. That just rings out, so I leave the missus holding on while I go back down to speak to the neighbour. We work it out that the guy who knocked at the door had obviously started the fire and we notice a fire engine further down the road. I ring the fire brigade only to be told that there are another two incidents involving three vehicles ongoing and one of the appliances will call to check mine is properly out.
When they arrive they open all the doors to let the smoke out and declare it safe. Turns out that they have this guy on cctv somewhere and he is still wandering around 'off his head' on something. I ask if they've let the police know and they tell me yes, but they're too busy to attend at that time.
So here I am, tired, pissed off and, probably, quite a bit poorer with a £400 excess to pay once I ring the insurance. I tried to report it to their 24 hour claim line last night, but the 'system was down'.
So........a nutter wandering around torching cars and police too bust to attend, and a 24 hour claims line that only works during office hours.
Guess I'd better get up and take the dog out soon because it's Bens backgammon tournament in Bradford today, and he won't even know anything has happened till I get him up and tell him. Oh to be a tired teenager ::)
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I'll take a pic later.
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Is your house upside down for you to answer the front door then run downstairs? :-\ :-\ Think I'd have been tempted to go looking for the guy with summat heavy in my hand.
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Ye gods. What a horrible scenario.
I bet the perp was in the crowd elsewhere watching the fire brigade putting out. Any cctv?
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Gutted for you Uncle Stemo :(
not only the insurance excess ,it will (even with protected no claims) increase your insurance costs :( both CARs and HOUSE premiums :'(
then you've got all the hassle of sorting a shytebox loan car ,and trying to find a replacement car ,whilst the insurance low ball you
then you'll still struggle to find a low mile ,mint replacement
thankfully , it sounds like no one got hurt
though 'Mr Matches' needs hurting :P a car full of fuel blowing up can grenade bits everywhere
what a sad world we live in :(
"police" need major investment and much more staff
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Very sorry to hear all that Steve. What a dreadful thing to happen. Hope you can sort everything out to some degree of satisfaction.
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Sorry to hear this........ :-\
The rozzer's are pretty hopeless and generally apathetic to crime. :-\
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Update: He did six cars in all. Ours will probably be just a back bumper and assorted bits behind, lights all work and micro switch on the boot.
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Three of the others are total write offs and one poor chap has a melted front door.
CID have just been and said that there is cctv but he hasn't seen it yet. I'm fickin knackered.
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If you look in front of the Audi, you will see a black mark that used to be a meriva.
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Update: He did six cars in all. Ours will probably be just a back bumper and assorted bits behind, lights all work and micro switch on the boot.
If your having the repairs done through insurance ,you need to make sure EVERYTHING is done ,probably not done the paint and underbody rust proofing any favours ,and crusty insulation on wiring looms and heat damage to fuel lines is not good if left to cause problems later :-\
if you "diy",get a rear bumper etc ,insurance may still go up,(because you reported it to insurance) and the rozzers will include it on "crime statistics "
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>:( WTF is the matter with people , why would you do that ?
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Six cars..... :-\
He could end up with twenty hours of community service or a police caution.... :-\
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.......if they catch the bastard.
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If he claims he did it to combat the damage cars do to the planet he will probably be let off and become a folk hero. ::)
Sometimes, it would be nice of we had U.S. gun laws. :-X
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Update: He did six cars in all. Ours will probably be just a back bumper and assorted bits behind, lights all work and micro switch on the boot.
If your having the repairs done through insurance ,you need to make sure EVERYTHING is done ,probably not done the paint and underbody rust proofing any favours ,and crusty insulation on wiring looms and heat damage to fuel lines is not good if left to cause problems later :-\
if you "diy",get a rear bumper etc ,insurance may still go up,(because you reported it to insurance) and the rozzers will include it on "crime statistics "
Our courtesy car will be getting arranged tomorrow (hope it's a manual three cylinder fabia like last time, wifey will enjoy driving a gutless manual :)). LV have re ted the contact number of the garage......in Kidderminster :o
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Kidderminster :o
hope you don't have to drop it off yourself ;D
it'll probably come back with more damage than it went with ;D
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What an awful night Stemo, hope everything gets sorted satisfactorily, LV are usually very good we've been with them for several years , good job he wasn't setting properties alight !
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It,s tough "up north". Blimey, what a night you and your neighbours have had. Hope they get the scrote but won,t hold my breath.
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>:( WTF is the matter with people , why would you do that ?
Somebody with a mental health issue, and that keeps our police forces busy across the country :(
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>:( WTF is the matter with people , why would you do that ?
Somebody with a mental health issue, and that keeps our police forces busy across the country :(
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Mental health issues, or on the other hand some people are just born bad in my experience.
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Good kicking would help him learn right and wrong maybe... sorry to hear about that, there sure are some are idiots about😞
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It is called 'Care in the Community'
In the 1960's and 70's there was criticism of poor care in mental asylums. Many of the inmates spent their time in decaying Victorian buildings off their heads on medication to keep them quiet.
By the 1980s there was enough agreement that 'something must be done' that the Care in the Community act was passed. The asylums were sold off for housing or retail parks. The inmates were given a pat on the back and told to look after themselves.
30 or 40 years have passed so it isn't the same people but where once there was a chance of spending time basket weaving or feeding the hospital pigs or working in the hospital laundry the new generation haven't got those options so some of them spend their time off their heads on spice and sleeping in decaying high streets.
Progress apparently...
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Good kicking would help him learn right and wrong maybe... sorry to hear about that, there sure are some are idiots about😞
"Let the punishment fit the crime" - The Micado. I would suggest burning him at the stake.....slowly!
Ron.
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Indeed, good shout Ron :y
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Such an unnecessary ballache >:(
At least the damage was confined to your car, and not the house (or garage :-X), only saving grace being lorry fuel rather than petrol. Expect it to be written off though... :-\
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Such an unnecessary ballache >:(
At least the damage was confined to your car, and not the house (or garage :-X), only saving grace being lorry fuel rather than petrol. Expect it to be written off though... :-\
Nah. They're not gonna write off an £8-9K car for that.
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has the burnt smell gone from inside :-\
that could be a ongoing issue ,even when fixed :(
a magic tree air freshener ,even if a genuine dealer fitted item :P is NOT the solution long term :-\
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Sorry to hear Steve.
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Sad to see Steve,hope it gets sorted quickly for you
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Such an unnecessary ballache >:(
At least the damage was confined to your car, and not the house (or garage :-X), only saving grace being lorry fuel rather than petrol. Expect it to be written off though... :-\
Nah. They're not gonna write off an £8-9K car for that.
Depends. Smoke damage, plus heat damage to the rear panel. Any cooked wiring will transfer heat alot further than the visible damage.
I suspect it will end up a Category B :-\
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Such an unnecessary ballache >:(
At least the damage was confined to your car, and not the house (or garage :-X), only saving grace being lorry fuel rather than petrol. Expect it to be written off though... :-\
Nah. They're not gonna write off an £8-9K car for that.
Depends. Smoke damage, plus heat damage to the rear panel. Any cooked wiring will transfer heat alot further than the visible damage.
I suspect it will end up a Category B :-\
cat N ,no structural ,uneconomic to repair surely
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The rear panel will potentially have been substantially weakened. Burnt cars and accident damaged are two very different things ;)
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Just read this Steve . . . unbelieveable :o :o :o :o gutted for you mate !
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Thanks, everyone, much appreciated. Moved it around this aft, checked all the lights, brakes, etc., all ok. I'll know if it's ok when the young fella drops off the courtesy car, jumps in ours and drives off. ;D
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I was supposed to be driving over to Liverpool to see mother tomorrow, but I don't think I can be arsed. I'm going for a nice long walk with doggie and the world can eff off. That's my altitude. ;D
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Sorry to see this Steve, the sort of hassle & cost from malicious behaviour we can all do without. >:(
This is a very big problem in Sweden where cars are torched by the cultural enhancers showing their gratitude for being able to move there, so I hope it is not going to become a trend here as well. :(
https://www.thelocal.se/20180816/whats-behind-the-car-burnings-in-western-sweden (https://www.thelocal.se/20180816/whats-behind-the-car-burnings-in-western-sweden)
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Sorry to see this Uncle STEMO. What a complete bastard! >:(
I've had a hectic weekend, so I've just seen this..... hic! ;) :)
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Such an unnecessary ballache >:(
At least the damage was confined to your car, and not the house (or garage :-X), only saving grace being lorry fuel rather than petrol. Expect it to be written off though... :-\
Nah. They're not gonna write off an £8-9K car for that.
After the bump up the bum in her Mini, they wanted to write that off (a ~£5-6k car) without even seeing it. For this:
(https://i.ibb.co/wzsNY5j/image.png) (https://ibb.co/wzsNY5j)
So if you phone up and say "fire damage" they'll probably assume the worst and begin the "Well on a car of that age, we could just write it off and ..."
I get the impression that they want to write the car off, because that drives the reman industry and drops lots of nice Cat N's onto the market for all their friends to fix up & sell on.
[edit to add] What an arse, though! Sorry you get to deal with the fall-out from some drugged up nut-job walking the streets determined to be a grade A arsehole. And sorry that the police are too busy to deal with crime.. >:(
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Extremely sorry to hear this STEMO ... not good at all :(
However, if I might ....
All this crap about the police not dealing with the crime instantly .... just how does anyone know this ??? Sending a copper out to look at the car and say "Oh dear" is NOT dealing with the crime ... The perpetrator had done other cars and wandered off, STEMO says so himself ... so, do you have substantive proof that there were no patrol cars looking for the guy 4, 5 streets away ??? Lets instantly find one guy wearing a hoody on a dark night in a city ..... not quite as easy as it sounds ....
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It's not what the police were actually doing that is necessarily at fault, but the perception that their face to the public instills. I've experienced this too. Their communications with members of the public is abysmal at the moment, at a time when they are percieved to have plenty of resources for dealing efficiently with people who stray a couple of MPH over the speed limit.
"Here's your crime number now f-off!" after being kept on hold, explaining yourself 3 times to 3 different people with zero local knowledge is par for the course these days, IME.
This is not to denigrate their front line officers who generally do a superb job of absorbing the sh!ie that's thrown at them from all directions.
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Extremely sorry to hear this STEMO ... not good at all :(
However, if I might ....
All this crap about the police not dealing with the crime instantly .... just how does anyone know this ??? Sending a copper out to look at the car and say "Oh dear" is NOT dealing with the crime ... The perpetrator had done other cars and wandered off, STEMO says so himself ... so, do you have substantive proof that there were no patrol cars looking for the guy 4, 5 streets away ??? Lets instantly find one guy wearing a hoody on a dark night in a city ..... not quite as easy as it sounds ....
The fire brigade actually saw a person who they thought could well be the arsonist. They called the police themselves only to be told that there was no one available. The CID sergeant who came out yesterday said he wasn't surprised as they are very short handed.
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It's not what the police were actually doing that is necessarily at fault, but the perception that their face to the public instills. I've experienced this too. Their communications with members of the public is abysmal at the moment, at a time when they are percieved to have plenty of resources for dealing efficiently with people who stray a couple of MPH over the speed limit.
"Here's your crime number now f-off!" after being kept on hold, explaining yourself 3 times to 3 different people with zero local knowledge is par for the course these days, IME.
This is not to denigrate their front line officers who generally do a superb job of absorbing the sh!ie that's thrown at them from all directions.
That was, more or less, our experience. Kept waiting for 15 mins to talk to the crime reporting bods.
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Just heard there were two more last night. Wifey's is going for repair tomorrow, hope they don't torch her courtesy car.
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Just heard there were two more last night. Wifey's is going for repair tomorrow, hope they don't torch her courtesy car.
You, tomorrow night:
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Just heard there were two more last night. Wifey's is going for repair tomorrow, hope they don't torch her courtesy car.
You, tomorrow night:
(https://i.ibb.co/Mg22fT1/image.png) (https://ibb.co/Mg22fT1)
Where's me gun gone? ;D
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Ah, so you're more:
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;D
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Just heard there were two more last night. Wifey's is going for repair tomorrow, hope they don't torch her courtesy car.
You, tomorrow night:
(https://i.ibb.co/Mg22fT1/image.png) (https://ibb.co/Mg22fT1)
Where's me gun gone? ;D
Perhaps you should mention that you've found it next time you contact the Police? ;D
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It's not what the police were actually doing that is necessarily at fault, but the perception that their face to the public instills. I've experienced this too. Their communications with members of the public is abysmal at the moment, at a time when they are percieved to have plenty of resources for dealing efficiently with people who stray a couple of MPH over the speed limit.
"Here's your crime number now f-off!" after being kept on hold, explaining yourself 3 times to 3 different people with zero local knowledge is par for the course these days, IME.
This is not to denigrate their front line officers who generally do a superb job of absorbing the sh!ie that's thrown at them from all directions.
A number of years ago I caught a lad trespassing on the heritage railway, he had just let off a fire extinguisher in a couple of carriages and had pinched some period Guards clothing.
The fact we had 'detained' him resulted in a full Blues drive in double quick time to the centre......I am sure if we had not got him it may have been very different!
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It's not what the police were actually doing that is necessarily at fault, but the perception that their face to the public instills. I've experienced this too. Their communications with members of the public is abysmal at the moment, at a time when they are percieved to have plenty of resources for dealing efficiently with people who stray a couple of MPH over the speed limit.
"Here's your crime number now f-off!" after being kept on hold, explaining yourself 3 times to 3 different people with zero local knowledge is par for the course these days, IME.
This is not to denigrate their front line officers who generally do a superb job of absorbing the sh!ie that's thrown at them from all directions.
A number of years ago I caught a lad trespassing on the heritage railway, he had just let off a fire extinguisher in a couple of carriages and had pinched some period Guards clothing.
The fact we had 'detained' him resulted in a full Blues drive in double quick time to the centre......I am sure if we had not got him it may have been very different!
Pity you don't have some electic rails you could have 'found' him on!
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It's not what the police were actually doing that is necessarily at fault, but the perception that their face to the public instills. I've experienced this too. Their communications with members of the public is abysmal at the moment, at a time when they are percieved to have plenty of resources for dealing efficiently with people who stray a couple of MPH over the speed limit.
"Here's your crime number now f-off!" after being kept on hold, explaining yourself 3 times to 3 different people with zero local knowledge is par for the course these days, IME.
This is not to denigrate their front line officers who generally do a superb job of absorbing the sh!ie that's thrown at them from all directions.
But they have not got those resources Kevin and the vast majority of speeding offences are issued after cameras have done their work, not traffic officers or even roadside speed traps. The traffic officers are in desperately short supply and that is why so many are driving around without insurance, no tax, no MOT and no licence. How many miles can you drive now without seeing one traffic car? Certainly far more miles than before 2008 , and even more so before 1990; then often many cars were often stationed along the motorway, or simply seen driving up and down roads. Now they just are not there because those in political power think the job can be more cheaply and effectively done using cameras. A load of rubbish of course, but there you go! >:( >:( >:(
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As for police response to crime, I must be careful in what I say in line with The Official Act and Police confidentiality, but I will simply say senior police chiefs have been "reviewing" what 'crimes' could be downgraded to non-response (beyond what the public see now) to free up the limited resources they have to respond satisfactory to 'higher rated crimes'.
STEMO's bumper fire would be definitely not be individually investigated, and only the other fires would constitute a need to investigate further, with eventually charging action, if those thought responsibility were not first time offenders and worth the effort. I must say no more :-X :-X :-X :-X
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What a poor state of affairs.
Are the level of crimes per capita the same as when we were young? For example arson.
Mrs V had her purse removed from her handbag and the handbag zipped up again in a Spanish tourist city. We contacted the police and they said they knew the Romanian gang working the city centre but they were too slick to get caught with any goods. The hassle of replacing all your cards and bank cards plus a new passport and 200 euros of cash. In the old days they would have been moved on but now that would be agin their umin rights.
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Freedom of movement has alot to answer for :-X
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It's not what the police were actually doing that is necessarily at fault, but the perception that their face to the public instills. I've experienced this too. Their communications with members of the public is abysmal at the moment, at a time when they are percieved to have plenty of resources for dealing efficiently with people who stray a couple of MPH over the speed limit.
"Here's your crime number now f-off!" after being kept on hold, explaining yourself 3 times to 3 different people with zero local knowledge is par for the course these days, IME.
This is not to denigrate their front line officers who generally do a superb job of absorbing the sh!ie that's thrown at them from all directions.
A number of years ago I caught a lad trespassing on the heritage railway, he had just let off a fire extinguisher in a couple of carriages and had pinched some period Guards clothing.
The fact we had 'detained' him resulted in a full Blues drive in double quick time to the centre......I am sure if we had not got him it may have been very different!
I know the safety officer of a preserved railway not a million miles from me who had to remind the plod that they were up for a charge of trespassing on the railway and a potential of a £1000 fine each and/or a prison sentence when they started poking around on the track one evening investigating an allegation of a "jumper".
"Oh, it's okay. It's a preserved railway"
"It's really not OK!"
"But they don't run at night anyway"
"Can you hear that feint chuffing sound?"
"gulp"
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"gulp"
Plot twist: It was Kevin around the corner with a speaker, amplifier and C90 cassette recording of a steam train.
As for police response to crime, I must be careful in what I say in line with The Official Act and Police confidentiality, but I will simply say senior police chiefs have been "reviewing" what 'crimes' could be downgraded to non-response (beyond what the public see now) to free up the limited resources they have to respond satisfactory to 'higher rated crimes'.
STEMO's bumper fire would be definitely not be individually investigated, and only the other fires would constitute a need to investigate further, with eventually charging action, if those thought responsibility were not first time offenders and worth the effort. I must say no more :-X :-X :-X :-X
In other words, you can do what you like unless it involves fiddling with children or speeding :P
(I'm joking - the police do a hard job, and it's not one I'd want to do!)
Time for The Purge (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2184339/), anyone?
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The country has gone far too soft , too many excuses made for criminals deprived childhood , dysfunctional families etc the list goes on with various excuses for this scum. But if you take the law into your own hands god help you. Unfortunately it's just going to get worse because no one has the balls to do anything about it.
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Unfortunately it's just going to get worse because no one has the balls to do anything about it.
Indeed. We (collectively as a nation) haven't even got the balls to Brexit or not Brexit, but just make a decision already and get on with it.. ;D :-X
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We give more in overseas aid, then is spent on policing.
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The country has gone far too soft , too many excuses made for criminals deprived childhood , dysfunctional families etc the list goes on with various excuses for this scum. But if you take the law into your own hands god help you. Unfortunately it's just going to get worse because no one has the balls to do anything about it.
[/quote. Yes, agree 100% keeping on the correct side of the law is getting harder when these fkers seem to be able to get away with robbing,vandalising,scamming,etc and don’t get punished.
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We give more in overseas aid, then is spent on policing.
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Fk! I hope that’s not true ???
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It's not what the police were actually doing that is necessarily at fault, but the perception that their face to the public instills. I've experienced this too. Their communications with members of the public is abysmal at the moment, at a time when they are percieved to have plenty of resources for dealing efficiently with people who stray a couple of MPH over the speed limit.
"Here's your crime number now f-off!" after being kept on hold, explaining yourself 3 times to 3 different people with zero local knowledge is par for the course these days, IME.
This is not to denigrate their front line officers who generally do a superb job of absorbing the sh!ie that's thrown at them from all directions.
I have to concur, following the last (or was it previous) armed robbery that bro suffered. He called the ol' bill, but was asked to "call back when the thieves have gone'
Fortunately, one of his over 60yr old members of staff dealt with it, and she shooo'd them away Nora Batty style.
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But they have not got those resources Kevin and the vast majority of speeding offences are issued after cameras have done their work, not traffic officers or even roadside speed traps. The traffic officers are in desperately short supply
Not round here, there are loads of them. And if you *really* need one in a hurry, go to the Super Sausage café on the A5 any time of day.
There is a clear issue around efficiency, which always happens when you give a civil service department an influx of cash. I doubt its the fault of the average plod, but the way their management (mis)manage resources.
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And STEMOs experience highlights why we need a mass cull. these people cant have their issues resolved, and scum breeds scum.
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These issues haven't arisen since the cuts imposed by Treasonous May. They have been around for at least 20 years.
The cuts don't help of course, but there is an indemic problem within the Police, which seems to indicate they don't se solving old fashioned crimes with real proper law abiding victims, as something they should care about too much.
I had a burglary in 2001.Called the Police, told them who did it and where to find my property they had stolen.
They weren't really interested, but to try and pacify me went and asked the blokes if they had done it. ::)
Came back to me and said "they said it wasn't them".
I asked the copper "did you look to see if my property was where I said it would be?"
"No, that might have caused some upset or anger".
A lot of my respect for the British Bobby disappeared that day. :(
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An senior ex-policeman that I know said that nowadays new recruits join up. find a cushy desk job to do their paperwork and sit back for 30 years until they get their (generous) pension!
Ron.
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If Uncle STEMO had dialled 999 and told the police that he had been mis-gendered, South Yorkshire's finest would have descended on Barnsley on mass! ;)
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If Uncle STEMO had dialled 999 and told the police that he had been mis-gendered, South Yorkshire's finest would have descended on Barnsley on mass! ;)
If only to gawk :D
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If Uncle STEMO had dialled 999 and told the police that he had been mis-gendered, South Yorkshire's finest would have descended on Barnsley on mass! ;)
If only to gawk :D
Yes I'm sure it's a sight to behold! ;D
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Rabbit
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If Uncle STEMO had dialled 999 and told the police that he had been mis-gendered, South Yorkshire's finest would have descended on Barnsley on mass! ;)
If only to gawk :D
Yes I'm sure it's a sight to behold! ;D
Me running around in my boxies with my hose out was quite enough for anyone, thank you. ;D
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Well that's not where I left that ::)
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Rabbit
Well that's not where I left that ::)
it's between my Butt-plug and biggriffin's Dildo :y
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Rabbit
Well that's not where I left that ::)
it's between my Butt-plug and biggriffin's Dildo :y
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Caught and re inserted into the correct thread ;)
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Well that's not where I left that ::)
it's between my Butt-plug and biggriffin's Dildo :y
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Caught and re inserted into the correct slot ;)
FTFY :o
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I resisted ::)
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An senior ex-policeman that I know said that nowadays new recruits join up. find a cushy desk job to do their paperwork and sit back for 30 years until they get their (generous) pension!
Ron.
Rowlocks......
The senior ex policeman (like me) paid 11% of his top line into their pension for 30 years.
They (like me) only get their own coin back. NO input from anyone else, eg Govt or golden hedge fund, not one brass razzoo from any other source.
The pension percentage taken today from a serving cop pays out tomorrow to the pensioners (again, like me). No golden bucket somewhere in the Cayman Isles accruing interest. Retirees are simply living longer and creating a draw that cannot be readily refilled.
Hence the financial requirement for current officers to pay an even bigger percentage of their monthly, for far longer, to get less of a pension as final salary pensions are no longer. And ongoing loss of motivation and to see ‘the job’ as just that and not a career.
To continue, said senior ex policeman is out of touch of how policing operates now (unlike me...) as police officers are leaving in droves as they are unable to get said ‘cushy-desk jobs’ as they are now occupied by civilians (possibly ex job, ex senior officers, receiving their pensions already) but who now contribute an even greater percentage to government funds by way of taxes.
Or alternatively, someone has choicely taken parts of reality for a sound bite.
Just for clarification, and to put an alternate view to Bigrons Big Broadbrushing of a public misconception. :)
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Apologies STMO - neglected to add that I’m sorry to read of your plight. Sadly, the chances of appropriate punishment to the culprit are slim at best, for a varied assortment of reasons. I hope your financial loss is at a minimum.
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Apologies STMO - neglected to add that I’m sorry to read of your plight. Sadly, the chances of appropriate punishment to the culprit are slim at best, for a varied assortment of reasons. I hope your financial loss is at a minimum.
Thanks, Broocie, £300 excess is all I can see it costing immediately. There will be consequences with regards to premiums in the future, of course. But this is all part of my 'life's a bitch and then you die' philosophy. I'm not about to cry myself to sleep. ;D
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I too had a final salary pension once .....
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I too had a final salary pension once .....
Wifey, too. She should have been retiring at 60, now 67.
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I too had a final salary pension once .....
Wifey, too. She should have been retiring at 60, now 67.
Likewise. Mrs H21 is similarly hindered.....
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I too had a final salary pension once .....
Wifey, too. She should have been retiring at 60, now 67.
That is a common problem.
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I too had a final salary pension once .....
Wifey, too. She should have been retiring at 60, now 67.
That is a common problem.
And a symptom of relying on employers and the government to provide retirement income.
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Two coppers on horseback have just passed outside. Better late than......... ;D
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Two coppers on horseback have just passed outside. Better late than......... ;D
Do you think they will catch the gentleman who torched your car? :)
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An senior ex-policeman that I know said that nowadays new recruits join up. find a cushy desk job to do their paperwork and sit back for 30 years until they get their (generous) pension!
Ron.
Rowlocks......
The senior ex policeman (like me) paid 11% of his top line into their pension for 30 years.
They (like me) only get their own coin back. NO input from anyone else, eg Govt or golden hedge fund, not one brass razzoo from any other source.
The pension percentage taken today from a serving cop pays out tomorrow to the pensioners (again, like me). No golden bucket somewhere in the Cayman Isles accruing interest. Retirees are simply living longer and creating a draw that cannot be readily refilled.
Hence the financial requirement for current officers to pay an even bigger percentage of their monthly, for far longer, to get less of a pension as final salary pensions are no longer. And ongoing loss of motivation and to see ‘the job’ as just that and not a career.
To continue, said senior ex policeman is out of touch of how policing operates now (unlike me...) as police officers are leaving in droves as they are unable to get said ‘cushy-desk jobs’ as they are now occupied by civilians (possibly ex job, ex senior officers, receiving their pensions already) but who now contribute an even greater percentage to government funds by way of taxes.
Or alternatively, someone has choicely taken parts of reality for a sound bite.
Just for clarification, and to put an alternate view to Bigrons Big Broadbrushing of a public misconception. :)
That ex-senior officer is certainly out of touch with the modern policing I see, as the situation described by hotel21 is exactly what the situation is with certainly Kent Police, as the front desks, and many of those behind the scenes, are manned by civilians and all the individuals I work with in various departments at the Maidstone Training College and HQ are civilians. It is only senior police officers who I see "at desks", and who issue the commands to us civilians with us giving the support, me as an advisor, and the Police Officers out there, spread extremely thinly, in the field.
Our Crime and Police Commissioner has managed an increase in Kent Police recruitment, with extra Council Tax funding, and 200 front line officers are being trained and placed in the field, at the sharp end, NOT at "cushy desks" (now no such thing). With this recruitment is another 80 CIVILIAN staff, who will do the behind the scenes, in support, work and yes, at desks. The modern, current, Police Force cannot survive with trained, warranted, Police Officers sitting at desks; most nights just 'the few' Officers are covering the whole of Kent, with no reserves, fighting a Battle of Crime. They are stretched, with, patrols shooting from one side of the County 999 call, to the other sides 999; hence why I have noted waits of 2 hours for a "police response" to such calls.
That is why they MUST have back the 20,000 officers, then some, to fight to correct what some are calling a broken justice system. :(
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My sincere apologies to all concerned; it seems that I was given out-of-date information. My "informant" was quite old and now runs a cafe in Dorset! :-[
Ron.
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Courtesy car just dropped off, a Skoda fabia Monte Carlo. It's quite a nice looking little box, and quite nippy once you stop stalling it due to the third pedal. ;D Petrol, 1.0, 95PS with start/stop, DAB radio, Bluetooth, etc., all in all not bad for a courtesy car.
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Two coppers on horseback have just passed outside. Better late than......... ;D
Do you think they will catch the gentleman who torched your car? :)
Well, they've less chance of being set on fire whilst going door to door ;)
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... it due to the third pedal. ...
Why do they still fit 3 pedals to some cars ...... :-\ :-\ :-\
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... it due to the third pedal. ...
Why do they still fit 3 pedals to some cars ...... :-\ :-\ :-\
Perhaps Jake the peg is still alive..... :)
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Two coppers on horseback have just passed outside. Better late than......... ;D
Do you think they will catch the gentleman who torched your car? :)
Well.....erm......let me see.........no.
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They caught these three Barnsley lads, though:
https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/crime/south-yorkshire-police-cars-set-alight-in-arson-attack-outside-station-1-9683787
Maybe because it was police cars? ::)
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Two coppers on horseback have just passed outside. Better late than......... ;D
Do you think they will catch the gentleman who torched your car? :)
Well.....erm......let me see.........no.
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They're using horses because their vehicles have been torched..😀😁😂
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Two coppers on horseback have just passed outside. Better late than......... ;D
Do you think they will catch the gentleman who torched your car? :)
Well.....erm......let me see.........no.
At least you can console yourself in the fact that, with a bit of luck, he'll tread in some horse manure when he does his rounds later tonight. ::)
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Two coppers on horseback have just passed outside. Better late than......... ;D
Do you think they will catch the gentleman who torched your car? :)
Well.....erm......let me see.........no.
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They're using horses because their vehicles have been torched..😀😁😂
Psychic? See my post above yours.
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My sincere apologies to all concerned; it seems that I was given out-of-date information. My "informant" was quite old and now runs a cafe in Dorset! :-[
Ron.
You fell into the trap, which we can all do, Ron of listening to someone who thinks "it's not like it was in my day". Those individuals fail to update their knowledge of their "specialist" area.
I have mentioned in the past how we used to work alongside the police in my old profession, and actually had join our team two retired senior police officers to head up a Security Department to take the pressure off our aims to fight crime withing the organisation. These two retired officers, one a Detective Chief Inspector, the other a Detective Chief Superintendent, were pre-PACE. They had, in their time, completely different ways of bringing serious criminals to justice before PACE, and recognised in discussions with me how they used to cut corners and use what would be now considered unsafe methods to secure convictions. They would consider modern Police Detectives as snowflakes, and would certainly state, as they did, that the Force is not like it used to be "in their day". Even my close friend, who I saw rise from a PC on the beat to retire fairly recently as a Chief Superintendent of a Traffic Division, would identify with the fact that policing has changed dramatically and the pressure is unnecessarily on them to keep the thin blue line strong. Even modern hi-tech devices, like all the on board the patrol car equipment and even hand held units whereby they can avoid sitting at a desk back at base and write up statements, and much more, that are processed into the central system 'on the move', does not replace the bodies that the Police once had.
Times have changed greatly, but for the worse when it comes to fighting crime >:( >:(
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Courtesy car just dropped off, a Skoda fabia Monte Carlo. It's quite a nice looking little box, and quite nippy once you stop stalling it due to the third pedal. ;D Petrol, 1.0, 95PS with start/stop, DAB radio, Bluetooth, etc., all in all not bad for a courtesy car.
Don't fill it with the fuel of Satan by mistake. :)
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Courtesy car just dropped off, a Skoda fabia Monte Carlo. It's quite a nice looking little box, and quite nippy once you stop stalling it due to the third pedal. ;D Petrol, 1.0, 95PS with start/stop, DAB radio, Bluetooth, etc., all in all not bad for a courtesy car.
Don't fill it with the fuel of Satan by mistake. :)
Actually do :D
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..... and would certainly state, as they did, that the Force is not like it used to be "in their day". ...
Having watched the 3 programmes recently about bringing 'The Yorkshire Ripper' to book it's a good job things have changed. It was a opps up from start to finish and Sutcliffe was only caught by a fluke & the good judgement of a single copper who had a hunch
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..... and would certainly state, as they did, that the Force is not like it used to be "in their day". ...
Having watched the 3 programmes recently about bringing 'The Yorkshire Ripper' to book it's a good job things have changed. It was a opps up from start to finish and Sutcliffe was only caught by a fluke & the good judgement of a single copper who had a hunch
Back in the mid eighties a friend of mine was turned away by ' a lady of the night ' because he apparently looked too much like the Yorkshire Ripper.
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..... and would certainly state, as they did, that the Force is not like it used to be "in their day". ...
Having watched the 3 programmes recently about bringing 'The Yorkshire Ripper' to book it's a good job things have changed. It was a opps up from start to finish and Sutcliffe was only caught by a fluke & the good judgement of a single copper who had a hunch
Back in the mid eighties a friend of mine was turned away by ' a lady of the night ' because he apparently looked too much like the Yorkshire Ripper.
::)
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..... and would certainly state, as they did, that the Force is not like it used to be "in their day". ...
Having watched the 3 programmes recently about bringing 'The Yorkshire Ripper' to book it's a good job things have changed. It was a opps up from start to finish and Sutcliffe was only caught by a fluke & the good judgement of a single copper who had a hunch
Back in the mid eighties a friend of mine was turned away by ' a lady of the night ' because he apparently looked too much like the Yorkshire Ripper.
::)
I know. ;D
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Lousy break Steve, but you have got the right attitude, Illegitimum non carborundum :y
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..... and would certainly state, as they did, that the Force is not like it used to be "in their day". ...
Having watched the 3 programmes recently about bringing 'The Yorkshire Ripper' to book it's a good job things have changed. It was a opps up from start to finish and Sutcliffe was only caught by a fluke & the good judgement of a single copper who had a hunch
Back in the mid eighties a friend of mine was turned away by ' a lady of the night ' because he apparently looked too much like the Yorkshire Ripper.
::)
I know. ;D
Honest...... :)
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..... and would certainly state, as they did, that the Force is not like it used to be "in their day". ...
Having watched the 3 programmes recently about bringing 'The Yorkshire Ripper' to book it's a good job things have changed. It was a opps up from start to finish and Sutcliffe was only caught by a fluke & the good judgement of a single copper who had a hunch
Back in the mid eighties a friend of mine was turned away by ' a lady of the night ' because he apparently looked too much like the Yorkshire Ripper.
::)
I know. ;D
Honest...... :)
Of course.... :)
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My sincere apologies to all concerned; it seems that I was given out-of-date information. My "informant" was quite old and now runs a cafe in Dorset! :-[
Ron.
No problem. Every day is still a school day, no matter how old we get. :y
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note to self : replace utterly useless Jack Russel terrior & get huge doggie that can bring a man down on command ; but must be good with chilren :) & can preferabally see in total darkness ::); cos the county of Hampshire now goes lights out between the hours of 1 & 4 AM >:(
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note to self : replace utterly useless Jack Russel terrior & get huge doggie that can bring a man down on command ; but must be good with chilren :) & can preferabally see in total darkness ::); cos the county of Hampshire now goes lights out between the hours of 1 & 4 AM >:(
Lights out? They don't even have street lights in my corner of Hampshire. ;)
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note to self : replace utterly useless Jack Russel terrior & get huge doggie that can bring a man down on command ; but must be good with chilren :) & can preferabally see in total darkness ::); cos the county of Hampshire now goes lights out between the hours of 1 & 4 AM >:(
Lights out? They don't even have street lights in my corner of Hampshire. ;)
Electricity?
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..... and would certainly state, as they did, that the Force is not like it used to be "in their day". ...
Having watched the 3 programmes recently about bringing 'The Yorkshire Ripper' to book it's a good job things have changed. It was a opps up from start to finish and Sutcliffe was only caught by a fluke & the good judgement of a single copper who had a hunch
Back in the mid eighties a friend of mine was turned away by ' a lady of the night ' because he apparently looked too much like the Yorkshire Ripper.
::)
I know. ;D
Honest...... :)
Of course.... :)
I give you my word as a gentleman that I speak only the truth. :)
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note to self : replace utterly useless Jack Russel terrior & get huge doggie that can bring a man down on command ; but must be good with chilren :) & can preferabally see in total darkness ::); cos the county of Hampshire now goes lights out between the hours of 1 & 4 AM >:(
Lights out? They don't even have street lights in my corner of Hampshire. ;)
Electricity?
Yes, it's not like Lincolnshire. :y
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note to self : replace utterly useless Jack Russel terrior & get huge doggie that can bring a man down on command ; but must be good with chilren :) & can preferabally see in total darkness ::); cos the county of Hampshire now goes lights out between the hours of 1 & 4 AM >:(
Lights out? They don't even have street lights in my corner of Hampshire. ;)
Electricity?
Yes, it's not like Lincolnshire. :y
Nothing wrong with candles.
Indoor toilets are expected by 2050. :)........some twenty years before the people of the 'Norf' can expect such progress.
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note to self : replace utterly useless Jack Russel terrior & get huge doggie that can bring a man down on command ; but must be good with chilren :) & can preferabally see in total darkness ::); cos the county of Hampshire now goes lights out between the hours of 1 & 4 AM >:(
Lights out? They don't even have street lights in my corner of Hampshire. ;)
Yep, in the depths of glorious Hampshire, that I still love, you do not need them. Just enjoy the great countryside and the sound and smells of beautiful steam engines, that at night do have lights on them, whilst munching watercress! Ahhhhhh, heaven!! :D :D ;)
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Yep, in the depths of glorious Hampshire, that I still love, you do not need them. Just enjoy the great countryside and the sound and smells of beautiful steam engines, that at night do have lights on them, whilst munching watercress! Ahhhhhh, heaven!! :D :D ;)
Not sure if you've been following it but the steam engines are a little bit curtailed currently:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uDQ4TTNOZE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uDQ4TTNOZE)
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Yep, in the depths of glorious Hampshire, that I still love, you do not need them. Just enjoy the great countryside and the sound and smells of beautiful steam engines, that at night do have lights on them, whilst munching watercress! Ahhhhhh, heaven!! :D :D ;)
Not sure if you've been following it but the steam engines are a little bit curtailed currently:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uDQ4TTNOZE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uDQ4TTNOZE)
Wow!! At last they are replacing that bridge!!
No, I did not know about that Kevin, so thanks! :-* :y :y
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..............and it led me on to find this 'last trains' film:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7I05NCiiPE
The new bridge should be splendid though and greatly assist the traffic flow beneath it 8) 8) :y
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..... and would certainly state, as they did, that the Force is not like it used to be "in their day". ...
Having watched the 3 programmes recently about bringing 'The Yorkshire Ripper' to book it's a good job things have changed. It was a opps up from start to finish and Sutcliffe was only caught by a fluke & the good judgement of a single copper who had a hunch
Back in the mid eighties a friend of mine was turned away by ' a lady of the night ' because he apparently looked too much like the Yorkshire Ripper.
::)
I know. ;D
Honest...... :)
Of course.... :)
I give you my word as a gentleman that I speak only the truth. :)
As a fellow gentleman, I believe that you speak the truth. :)
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They were both there, so one of them is telling porkies :D
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They were both there, so one of them is telling porkies :D
Which one was the prostitute? ;D
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Courtesy car just dropped off, a Skoda fabia Monte Carlo. It's quite a nice looking little box, and quite nippy once you stop stalling it due to the third pedal. ;D Petrol, 1.0, 95PS with start/stop, DAB radio, Bluetooth, etc., all in all not bad for a courtesy car.
She certainly had a chance to reacquaint herself with the third pedal today. 2 hours 15 minutes Barnsley to Sheffield. The M1 was closed southbound for most of the day so the whole of South Yorkshire was a rat run.
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Bloody hell STEMO that's a strange occurrence, what a pyro nutter !
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Bloody hell STEMO that's a strange occurrence, what a pyro nutter !
Only six cars, Jon, quiet night in Liverpool. ;D
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A bit late to the thread been absent due to wife having a suspected heart attack.
What a bummer Steve , there are some weird people amongst us.
I'm pleased it was confined to the car and didn't spread but what a bizzare thing to do.
Get an IP camera fitted they are very effective ,cheap and may act as a deterent in the future.
The Police really should go after this guy and put an end to his actions.
Hope you get it all sorted.
Don
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A bit late to the thread been absent due to wife having a suspected heart attack.
What a bummer Steve , there are some weird people amongst us.
I'm pleased it was confined to the car and didn't spread but what a bizzare thing to do.
Get an IP camera fitted they are very effective ,cheap and may act as a deterent in the future.
The Police really should go after this guy and put an end to his actions.
Hope you get it all sorted.
Don
Suspected heart attack sounds more serious to me, Don, cars can be replaced. I hope your wife makes a full recovery.
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A bit late to the thread been absent due to wife having a suspected heart attack.
What a bummer Steve , there are some weird people amongst us.
I'm pleased it was confined to the car and didn't spread but what a bizzare thing to do.
Get an IP camera fitted they are very effective ,cheap and may act as a deterent in the future.
The Police really should go after this guy and put an end to his actions.
Hope you get it all sorted.
Don
Suspected heart attack sounds more serious to me, Don, cars can be replaced. I hope your wife makes a full recovery.
Seconded. Family trumps everything else.
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A bit late to the thread been absent due to wife having a suspected heart attack.
What a bummer Steve , there are some weird people amongst us.
I'm pleased it was confined to the car and didn't spread but what a bizzare thing to do.
Get an IP camera fitted they are very effective ,cheap and may act as a deterent in the future.
The Police really should go after this guy and put an end to his actions.
Hope you get it all sorted.
Don
Suspected heart attack sounds more serious to me, Don, cars can be replaced. I hope your wife makes a full recovery.
Seconded. Family trumps everything else.
Thirded. Sorry to hear this Don and I hope Mrs Olympia gets well soon. :y
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Thanks lads, I won't hijack the thread but she is on the mend and all looking good again .
She had one in 2011 so it was a very worrying time.
Don
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Thanks lads, I won't hijack the thread but she is on the mend and all looking good again .
She had one in 2011 so it was a very worrying time.
Don
Good to hear :y
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Just had a call to say the boss's car will be back tomorrow. Very good :y
Cue Gollum.......... ::)
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Just had a call to say the boss's car will be back tomorrow. Very good :y
Cue Gollum.......... ::)
Jeez. We're still waiting for Admiral to take 'er indoors car in for repair after it's accident at the start of March!
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Blimey :o
that is fast
maybe they had a colour matched bumper in stock
not uncommon for repairers to use salvaged genuine parts
(which I'm ok with,genuine parts and recycling )
bet you'll miss that extra pedal and power on the loan sh*tbox Uncle Stemo :P
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Blimey :o
that is fast
maybe they had a colour matched bumper in stock
not uncommon for repairers to use salvaged genuine parts
(which I'm ok with,genuine parts and recycling )
bet you'll miss that extra pedal and power on the loan sh*tbox Uncle Stemo :P
They ordered the bumper before they took the car on the photo evidence.
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Blimey :o
that is fast
maybe they had a colour matched bumper in stock
not uncommon for repairers to use salvaged genuine parts
(which I'm ok with,genuine parts and recycling )
bet you'll miss that extra pedal and power on the loan sh*tbox Uncle Stemo :P
They ordered the bumper before they took the car on the photo evidence.
good quick service :y :y
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Bit of duck tape and a rattle can of red paint works wonders :D ;D ;D
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Just had a call to say the boss's car will be back tomorrow. Very good :y
Cue Gollum.......... ::)
Wait until you get it back...