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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Shackeng on 16 October 2018, 19:38:36
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Does anyone have knowledge or experience of the various systems offered for insulating conservatory rooves?
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Does anyone have knowledge or experience of the various systems offered for insulating conservatory rooves?
Roofs.
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Rooves as a plural for of roof is dated, but not incorrect. The Oxford English Dictionary lists “rooves” as an alternate to roofs, one of several outdated spellings used in the UK, and in New England as late as the 19th century. :P
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;D :y
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Sorry, Chris, I forgot your were in your nineties. ;D
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I have a conservatory, I insulated the walls etc l, with kingspan stuff, added proper radiator.
Problem is conservatory’s are shite, foundations tend to be crap and floor is not insulated either. It’s like trying to heat a kitchen cullender.
I’m now favouring bulldozing it and building a proper extension.
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Sorry, Chris, I forgot your were in your nineties. ;D
0uchh :(
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I have a conservatory, I insulated the walls etc l, with kingspan stuff, added proper radiator.
Problem is conservatory’s are shite, foundations tend to be crap and floor is not insulated either. It’s like trying to heat a kitchen cullender.
I’m now favouring bulldozing it and building a proper extension.
Mine has proper foundations, 100mm insulated floor, underfloor heating, and radiators, (I was site foreman), but of course still loses heat through the double glazing. There are several companies offering either internal, effectively, ceilings, or external insulated roof panels. :y
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I have a conservatory, I insulated the walls etc l, with kingspan stuff, added proper radiator.
Problem is conservatory’s are shite, foundations tend to be crap and floor is not insulated either. It’s like trying to heat a kitchen cullender.
I’m now favouring bulldozing it and building a proper extension.
Mine has proper foundations, 100mm insulated floor, underfloor heating, and radiators, (I was site foreman), but of course still loses heat through the double glazing. There are several companies offering either internal, effectively, ceilings, or external insulated roof panels. :y
Sounds better than mine then, I did look at replacement roofs either whole and tiled type or panels. Mine is double glazed roof.
Seriously expensive for what they are, If foundations are strong enough it would probably be similar price to build normal extension, they are that pricey!
Conservatories should be banned in my view, horrible things. Hate mine with a passion.
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Anna RyderRichardson of failed zoo fame is currently flogging conservatory roof insulation panels on the tellybox :y
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Anna RyderRichardson of failed zoo fame is currently flogging conservatory roof insulation panels on the tellybox :y
I bet she's great in the sack! :-* Dirty Ryder! :y ;D
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Rooves as a plural for of roof is dated, but not incorrect. The Oxford English Dictionary lists “rooves” as an alternate to roofs, one of several outdated spellings used in the UK, and in New England as late as the 19th century. :P
Does the same apply to 'hoofs 'and 'hooves'?
I see a lot of the word your incorrectly used in place of you are or you're on this forum. :)
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Does anyone have knowledge or experience of the various systems offered for insulating conservatory rooves?
Roofs.
Mr Shackeng was a pilot for forty years. He won't take kindly to being lectured on the finer points of spelling and punctuation by an errant scouser. :)
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I have a conservatory, I insulated the walls etc l, with kingspan stuff, added proper radiator.
Problem is conservatory’s are shite, foundations tend to be crap and floor is not insulated either. It’s like trying to heat a kitchen cullender.
I’m now favouring bulldozing it and building a proper extension.
Mine has proper foundations, 100mm insulated floor, underfloor heating, and radiators, (I was site foreman), but of course still loses heat through the double glazing. There are several companies offering either internal, effectively, ceilings, or external insulated roof panels. :y
Some friends of mine looked into this for their conservatory and came to the conclusion that by the time you'd paid out on the ceiling you may as well have demolished and built an extension in its place.
I'd seriously look at that instead, particularly if the foundations are good enough to support it already.
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Does anyone have knowledge or experience of the various systems offered for insulating conservatory rooves?
Roofs.
Mr Shackeng was a pilot for forty years. He won't take kindly to being lectured on the finer points of spelling and punctuation by an errant scouser. :)
Please do NOT insult the honorable gentleman ... he never was past of the "drivers, airframe, for the use of" branch of Her Majesty's Royal Air Force ..... please note his screenname .. shackENG ....
However as a Master Engineer of some seniority he would have often taught junior pilots the intricacies of correct Service Writing ...
:D :D :D
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Does anyone have knowledge or experience of the various systems offered for insulating conservatory rooves?
Roofs.
Mr Shackeng was a pilot for forty years. He won't take kindly to being lectured on the finer points of spelling and punctuation by an errant scouser. :)
Please do NOT insult the honorable gentleman ... he never was past of the "drivers, airframe, for the use of" branch of Her Majesty's Royal Air Force ..... please note his screenname .. shackENG ....
However as a Master Engineer of some seniority he would have often taught junior pilots the intricacies of correct Service Writing ...
:D :D :D
Correct. :y
Among the duties of a Warrant Officer, From the Manual of Air Force Law: IIRC ...advise and instruct Junior Officers. ::)
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I have a conservatory, I insulated the walls etc l, with kingspan stuff, added proper radiator.
Problem is conservatory’s are shite, foundations tend to be crap and floor is not insulated either. It’s like trying to heat a kitchen cullender.
I’m now favouring bulldozing it and building a proper extension.
Mine has proper foundations, 100mm insulated floor, underfloor heating, and radiators, (I was site foreman), but of course still loses heat through the double glazing. There are several companies offering either internal, effectively, ceilings, or external insulated roof panels. :y
Sounds better than mine then, I did look at replacement roofs either whole and tiled type or panels. Mine is double glazed roof.
Seriously expensive for what they are, If foundations are strong enough it would probably be similar price to build normal extension, they are that pricey!
Conservatories should be banned in my view, horrible things. Hate mine with a passion.
We love ours, it has a seating area and a dining area for 6, and is well used. A mirror image of this: http://www.vivaldi-conservatories.co.uk/images/pshapeimages/p_shape_conservatory_winter.jpg
:y
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Ours is not that big, it’s about 4.6m by 3m.
Currently drawing up plans to bulldoze it and build a proper extension, 7.5m by 4m. 8)
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That’s a big area of roof to insulate, I doubt you will see quotes sub 5 figures to put a decent roof on that. Even more so due to shape...
If foundations are good enough, strongly consider brick extension with timber roof.
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Ours is not that big, it’s about 4.6m by 3m.
Currently drawing up plans to bulldoze it and build a proper extension, 7.5m by 4m. 8)
sell it on ebay, you will get cash,then , buyer will come dismantle and take away, you will save £174 quid on the skip you won't need and labour of removing it :y
that's what I do , or rebuild conservatory elsewhere for someone else ,done that too ;D
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Ours is not that big, it’s about 4.6m by 3m.
Currently drawing up plans to bulldoze it and build a proper extension, 7.5m by 4m. 8)
sell it on ebay, you will get cash,then , buyer will come dismantle and take away, you will save £174 quid on the skip you won't need and labour of removing it :y
that's what I do , or rebuild conservatory elsewhere for someone else ,done that too ;D
Many have said put it on eBay, might do that. But, I would get great satisfaction in operating a mini digger to destroy it. :D
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This is the first conservatory we've had , only been in the house for 7 weeks but at the moment we love it got cane type table & chairs & cane sofa & chairs eat meals out there listen to music etc. Guy at work was quoted £6000 to have a "proper" roof put on his declined the offer.
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This is the first conservatory we've had , only been in the house for 7 weeks but at the moment we love it got cane type table & chairs & cane sofa & chairs eat meals out there listen to music etc. Guy at work was quoted £6000 to have a "proper" roof put on his declined the offer.
Cheers for that. I might get a quote just for a laugh. We do use it in the winter, particularly with dinner guests, but I'm just so mean I hate turning the heating on. Mind you, I get free electricity from my solar panels, so the underfloor costs very little, and a fan heater warms it very quickly. 8)
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This is the first conservatory we've had , only been in the house for 7 weeks but at the moment we love it got cane type table & chairs & cane sofa & chairs eat meals out there listen to music etc. Guy at work was quoted £6000 to have a "proper" roof put on his declined the offer.
Cheers for that. I might get a quote just for a laugh. We do use it in the winter, particularly with dinner guests, but I'm just so mean I hate turning the heating on. Mind you, I get free electricity from my solar panels, so the underfloor costs very little, and a fan heater warms it very quickly. 8)
Get a radiator fitted that’s on main house feed, that’s what I did. Helps a lot. :y
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Ours is not that big, it’s about 4.6m by 3m.
Currently drawing up plans to bulldoze it and build a proper extension, 7.5m by 4m. 8)
sell it on ebay, you will get cash,then , buyer will come dismantle and take away, you will save £174 quid on the skip you won't need and labour of removing it :y
that's what I do , or rebuild conservatory elsewhere for someone else ,done that too ;D
Many have said put it on eBay, might do that. But, I would get great satisfaction in operating a mini digger to destroy it. :D
The "great satisfaction" from trying to remove it with a mini digger would soon pale to insignificance ,once you started having to clear up all the broken glass by hand and the other clean up . a mini digger probably won't be man enough to chew the dwarf wall ? and base up into manageable chunks :(
even with a good builder,cleaning up on an extension build , will become tedious , unless you have "staff" ::) (other than the resident cleaner Mrs Tunnie :-X )
Sorry for the sad news I deliver, or as TB would say of me "oppsing depressing" :D ;D
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Firstly, you cant fit a 'proper' roof as the structure is not able to take the associated loads.
Generally what appears to be done is that Celotex (or equivalent) is fitted to the under side using wooden battens and then plaster boarded over, some also then add a light weight roof covering (shingles or similar, I Have seen concrete tiles used but these would be way to heavy, even with Marley lights).
I do have some concerns with this as the upper side of the insulation will attract condensation and there is no ventilation in this part.
Either way, no matter what you do its going to be a compromise.
(I to hate conservatories, a plastic shed with lots of glass which still has to have an external door between it and the house its to big a compromise)
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Ours is not that big, it’s about 4.6m by 3m.
Currently drawing up plans to bulldoze it and build a proper extension, 7.5m by 4m. 8)
sell it on ebay, you will get cash,then , buyer will come dismantle and take away, you will save £174 quid on the skip you won't need and labour of removing it :y
that's what I do , or rebuild conservatory elsewhere for someone else ,done that too ;D
Many have said put it on eBay, might do that. But, I would get great satisfaction in operating a mini digger to destroy it. :D
The "great satisfaction" from trying to remove it with a mini digger would soon pale to insignificance ,once you started having to clear up all the broken glass by hand and the other clean up . a mini digger probably won't be man enough to chew the dwarf wall ? and base up into manageable chunks :(
even with a good builder,cleaning up on an extension build , will become tedious , unless you have "staff" ::) (other than the resident cleaner Mrs Tunnie :-X )
Sorry for the sad news I deliver, or as TB would say of me "oppsing depressing" :D ;D
I'm getting a builder in for the extension, so cleaning up is not a problem, I'd just ask to have first go when it's attacked.
Next couple of weeks having plans drawn up and using them for fixed price quotes for removal and new extension built.
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Bless...
The whippersnapper thinks that builders tidy up... :D
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Well, if they want me to pay their last instalment, they will make tidy at the end.
No tidy. No final payment. :)
It will be split into ~8 equal payments, as they expect it to take 8 weeks and I pay as they go along and that I'm happy with progress. Done work for some friends of ours, they were very happy.
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This is the first conservatory we've had , only been in the house for 7 weeks but at the moment we love it got cane type table & chairs & cane sofa & chairs eat meals out there listen to music etc. Guy at work was quoted £6000 to have a "proper" roof put on his declined the offer.
Cheers for that. I might get a quote just for a laugh. We do use it in the winter, particularly with dinner guests, but I'm just so mean I hate turning the heating on. Mind you, I get free electricity from my solar panels, so the underfloor costs very little, and a fan heater warms it very quickly. 8)
Get a radiator fitted that’s on main house feed, that’s what I did. Helps a lot. :y
See #7. Two built in from main CH.
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Firstly, you cant fit a 'proper' roof as the structure is not able to take the associated loads.
Generally what appears to be done is that Celotex (or equivalent) is fitted to the under side using wooden battens and then plaster boarded over, some also then add a light weight roof covering (shingles or similar, I Have seen concrete tiles used but these would be way to heavy, even with Marley lights).
I do have some concerns with this as the upper side of the insulation will attract condensation and there is no ventilation in this part.
Either way, no matter what you do its going to be a compromise.
(I to hate conservatories, a plastic shed with lots of glass which still has to have an external door between it and the house its to big a compromise)
Presumably you mean on security grounds. I have to say that the doors into and out of ours are as equally as secure as our patio doors on the other end of the house, with all the current standard triple locking etc. :y
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https://www.ultraframe-conservatories.co.uk/news/do-i-need-an-external-door-between-my-home-and-my-conservatory-
Basically, if there are no doors then the conservatory forms part of the house and (can) mean that, when built, the whole house has to be remodelled in order to comply with building regs.
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This is the first conservatory we've had , only been in the house for 7 weeks but at the moment we love it got cane type table & chairs & cane sofa & chairs eat meals out there listen to music etc. Guy at work was quoted £6000 to have a "proper" roof put on his declined the offer.
Cheers for that. I might get a quote just for a laugh. We do use it in the winter, particularly with dinner guests, but I'm just so mean I hate turning the heating on. Mind you, I get free electricity from my solar panels, so the underfloor costs very little, and a fan heater warms it very quickly. 8)
Get a radiator fitted that’s on main house feed, that’s what I did. Helps a lot. :y
In the link Aaron posted, it says the heating system should be independent and separately controlled. :-\
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This is the first conservatory we've had , only been in the house for 7 weeks but at the moment we love it got cane type table & chairs & cane sofa & chairs eat meals out there listen to music etc. Guy at work was quoted £6000 to have a "proper" roof put on his declined the offer.
Cheers for that. I might get a quote just for a laugh. We do use it in the winter, particularly with dinner guests, but I'm just so mean I hate turning the heating on. Mind you, I get free electricity from my solar panels, so the underfloor costs very little, and a fan heater warms it very quickly. 8)
Get a radiator fitted that’s on main house feed, that’s what I did. Helps a lot. :y
See #7. Two built in from main CH.
Sounds like it's all there, if you want an insulated roof it really does sound like making it a brick extension is best. You could re-use the double glazing windows in some parts, brick elsewhere so it supports a standard, insulated and tiled roof. I did strongly look at what Fuse19 mentioned, baton structure with insulation pushed in, then boarded and plastered. It's a hack, it's not right and only way to do it internally.
Other way is what I've seen top section is replaced or added to, but I doubt the conservatory itself could take the weight. Then there is the cost, given size of yours, it would be £10k easily to do that.
My conservatory does not have decent foundations, hence I'm starting from scratch.
How far does the conservatory go out? You could get it done under permitted development, as current footprint of existing extension.
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I think like everything else in life there are conservatories and there are conservatories. ;)
A couple of friends have had them done by a local firm round here who are definitely not the cheapest by any means, but the end product is very good! :y
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This is the first conservatory we've had , only been in the house for 7 weeks but at the moment we love it got cane type table & chairs & cane sofa & chairs eat meals out there listen to music etc. Guy at work was quoted £6000 to have a "proper" roof put on his declined the offer.
Cheers for that. I might get a quote just for a laugh. We do use it in the winter, particularly with dinner guests, but I'm just so mean I hate turning the heating on. Mind you, I get free electricity from my solar panels, so the underfloor costs very little, and a fan heater warms it very quickly. 8)
Get a radiator fitted that’s on main house feed, that’s what I did. Helps a lot. :y
In the link Aaron posted, it says the heating system should be independent and separately controlled. :-\
Correct
A conservatory is not covered under building control as its classed as an external 'temporary' space isolated from the house.
Hence any heating system must be independent from the main house setup (you may get away with thermostatic valves), an external door must be fitted (which meats required insulation and security requirements etc.) and that's just the tip of the iceburg
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removable flow and return links on heating ,under floor or rad would sneak past that reg .
conservatory is also a "special location" if intending to have that newfangled electricity stuff to provide light ,so if retro-fitting ,requires certification under building control regs.
If the lighting or other power circuit is plugged into the house via 3 pin plug (no direct connection) it becomes effectively a portable appliance :y
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This is the first conservatory we've had , only been in the house for 7 weeks but at the moment we love it got cane type table & chairs & cane sofa & chairs eat meals out there listen to music etc. Guy at work was quoted £6000 to have a "proper" roof put on his declined the offer.
Cheers for that. I might get a quote just for a laugh. We do use it in the winter, particularly with dinner guests, but I'm just so mean I hate turning the heating on. Mind you, I get free electricity from my solar panels, so the underfloor costs very little, and a fan heater warms it very quickly. 8)
Get a radiator fitted that’s on main house feed, that’s what I did. Helps a lot. :y
In the link Aaron posted, it says the heating system should be independent and separately controlled. :-\
Yes, that is the main issue with mine as the -although very large - rads are at the end of a system which had already been extended, and which is why I put in the very efficient underfloor heating as well. It is quite easyfor me to keep it warm in winter, I just object to losing so much heat through the roof. However, I expect we will put up with it, as it is on the East end of the house, it only needs a little sun AM/early PM to be very comfortable. :y
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This is the first conservatory we've had , only been in the house for 7 weeks but at the moment we love it got cane type table & chairs & cane sofa & chairs eat meals out there listen to music etc. Guy at work was quoted £6000 to have a "proper" roof put on his declined the offer.
Cheers for that. I might get a quote just for a laugh. We do use it in the winter, particularly with dinner guests, but I'm just so mean I hate turning the heating on. Mind you, I get free electricity from my solar panels, so the underfloor costs very little, and a fan heater warms it very quickly. 8)
Get a radiator fitted that’s on main house feed, that’s what I did. Helps a lot. :y
In the link Aaron posted, it says the heating system should be independent and separately controlled. :-\
It is... It's called the Solar/Door Temperature Regulation System...
Utterly useless, but completely independent of any actual control :D
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Bless...
The whippersnapper thinks that builders tidy up... :D
They certainly won't if the mess is a smashed conservatory ???
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Oh yes they will.
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Builders will do whatever you pay them to do. Site clearance is not an uncommon job.
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Oh yes they will.
You're right.
My post should have included this:
....that some oppswit smashed unnecessarily
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Oh yes they will.
Sucks through teeth, shakes head ,side to side , drag of fine hand rolled fag ,
"It'll cost ya " :D ;D