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[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

There are some traitorous dogs here at OOF who have described the performance of the Omega as 'slow by modern standards'......you know who you are.....

What is even worse is that these same traitorous dogs dare to suggest that Vauxhall's finest would be humbled by just about every turbo-diesel on the planet. Balls.

In defence of the mighty Omega I have just run some performance tests on my totally stock 88000 mile MV6.

I have chosen acceleration through the gears between 30 MPH and 70 MPH as this the yardstick that most magazines use........0-60MPH is more about traction an gearing than outright power.

Here goes........My car recorded a 30-70 mph time of 7.9 secs........taking 184.4 metres.

Competitors.....BMW 320D....................................7.6 secs
                     Jaguar XF 2.2D..............................8.0
                    Vauxhall Insignia 2.0CDTI 160............8.4
                    Golf 2.0 TDi....................................8.6
                    Mazda MX5 2.0................................7.2
                    Merc C220 CDI.................................8.5

So, in summary, this 20 year old engine even in it's smaller (2.6) form can still cut it with the modern derv drinker.

* performance figures for the smoky belching diesels have been taken from Autocar magazine road tests.








     

[05omegav6]

The 130 2.0 cdti insignia couldn't keep up with the E Class on a cruise, no chance against the Omega

[Rog]

I'm not a numbers nut, but I don't see how or why I would require any more than my 3.2 MV6 Auto provides in terms of performance  Particularly if filled with Shell V Power or the Tesco 99.

 

 

[zirk]

My 25 year old 2.0 Sapphire Cossie (300 bhp) would give most modern a good run for there money 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

My 25 year old Sapphire Cossie (300 bhp) would give most a good run for there money 

Indeed it would.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I'm not a numbers nut, but I don't see how or why I would require any more than my 3.2 MV6 Auto provides in terms of performance  Particularly if filled with Shell V Power or the Tesco 99.

Does this make a difference, Rog. I'm too tight and too poor to use fancy gasoline.

[Taxi_Driver]

Apparently 7.6s for mine 

[Rods2]

And how many of the others, will take you and swmbo in such luxury, your chauffeur and butler in the front while you and swmbo lounge in the back on the way for a round of golf, with two sets of clubs in the boot, with champagne fridge, picnic hamper, table and chairs for your butler to set up for a rest and refreshment at hole 9.

[Rog]

I'm not a numbers nut, but I don't see how or why I would require any more than my 3.2 MV6 Auto provides in terms of performance  Particularly if filled with Shell V Power or the Tesco 99.

Does this make a difference, Rog. I'm too tight and too poor to use fancy gasoline.

This causes quite some debate and argument. I believe they are better both for performance and economy, however it depends on the cost. Typically V Power is around 6p per litre more expensive than normal unleaded BUT I have seen it as much as 15p per litre more, and I never ever buy it on motorways.

The new Tesco 99 Ron has some fance name ( Millenium or similar ?) I've used it a few times and it seems ok, and being Tesco it's cheaper.

But some here, I think TB has an opposing view, will disagree. My Mrs '97 Volvo 940 certainly benefits from 99 Ron, without a doubt 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I'm not a numbers nut, but I don't see how or why I would require any more than my 3.2 MV6 Auto provides in terms of performance  Particularly if filled with Shell V Power or the Tesco 99.

Does this make a difference, Rog. I'm too tight and too poor to use fancy gasoline.

This causes quite some debate and argument. I believe they are better both for performance and economy, however it depends on the cost. Typically V Power is around 6p per litre more expensive than normal unleaded BUT I have seen it as much as 15p per litre more, and I never ever buy it on motorways.

The new Tesco 99 Ron has some fance name ( Millenium or similar ?) I've used it a few times and it seems ok, and being Tesco it's cheaper.

But some here, I think TB has an opposing view, will disagree. My Mrs '97 Volvo 940 certainly benefits from 99 Ron, without a doubt 

Mrs Opti once owned a Mazda RX8, the 40th anniversary model. That seemed to run better on premium fuel.

13 MPG was hard to stomach though.

[tunnie]

So in your stats a 2.0 diesel in a BMW is faster?  Scared to post 330d time?

Why XF 2.2, why not the 2.7d? Much closer to a 2.6

Picking smaller engines than yours I see

I have a full fat V6, if you are going to have a V6 you need full fat version, no point getting the diet version 

But nope, not even 3.0/3.2's (real V6's) are really that fast. Granted most diesels cannot beat them, but you don't exactly blow them away.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

So in your stats a 2.0 diesel in a BMW is faster?  Scared to post 330d time?

Why XF 2.2, why not the 2.7d? Much closer to a 2.6

Picking smaller engines than yours I see

I have a full fat V6, if you are going to have a V6 you need full fat version, no point getting the diet version 

But nope, not even 3.0/3.2's (real V6's) are really that fast. Granted most diesels cannot beat them, but you don't exactly blow them away.

You are one of the traitorous dogs I speak of, Mr Tunnie. .....hang your head in shame.
Of course, as a 2.2 'reduced cylinder owner'  just about everything on four wheels is faster than your particular Omega......mobility scooter included.

 

[tunnie]

Maybe. But its cost of 55mpg on the wallet. 

Least my V6 is not 'The Vegetarian Version' you need full meat eating 3,200ccs of GMs finest 

[Magwheels]

My 25 year old 2.0 Sapphire Cossie (300 bhp) would give most modern a good run for there money 

Now there was a quick car on its day and still not shoddy even by todays "fast" car standards and most of all bloody good fun to drive.

[omega3000]

So in your stats a 2.0 diesel in a BMW is faster?  Scared to post 330d time?

Why XF 2.2, why not the 2.7d? Much closer to a 2.6

Picking smaller engines than yours I see

I have a full fat V6, if you are going to have a V6 you need full fat version, no point getting the diet version

But nope, not even 3.0/3.2's (real V6's) are really that fast. Granted most diesels cannot beat them, but you don't exactly blow them away.

Get a 3.0 then 

[biggriffin]

My 25 year old 2.0 Sapphire Cossie (300 bhp) would give most modern a good run for there money 

unless it shredded the syncro,s getting there.

[ted_one]

I don't go picking on the big stuff for a drag race,mainly Micras,Aygos, shagged out Corsas and Fiestas etc

[Steve B]

Maybe. But its cost of 55mpg on the wallet. 

Least my V6 is not 'The Vegetarian Version' you need full meat eating 3,200ccs of GMs finest 

Whats yours tunnie Man or Auto 

[YZ250]

So in your stats a 2.0 diesel in a BMW is faster?  Scared to post 330d time? 
...........

5 seconds  ....... and that's also true for the 325d (actually a 3.0 block) which is a nearer match numbers wise. 
Sorry Opti.   

Quite scary that it's a closer match to a 2.0d. 

[tunnie]

Maybe. But its cost of 55mpg on the wallet. 

Least my V6 is not 'The Vegetarian Version' you need full meat eating 3,200ccs of GMs finest 

Whats yours tunnie Man or Auto 

It's not ex-Police, it's retail Elite 

So in your stats a 2.0 diesel in a BMW is faster?  Scared to post 330d time? 
...........

5 seconds  ....... and that's also true for the 325d (actually a 3.0 block) which is a nearer match numbers wise. 
Sorry Opti.   

Quite scary that it's a closer match to a 2.0d. 

Thought it would be quick 

[Steve B]

Maybe. But its cost of 55mpg on the wallet. 

Least my V6 is not 'The Vegetarian Version' you need full meat eating 3,200ccs of GMs finest 

Whats yours tunnie Man or Auto 

It's not ex-Police, it's retail Elite 

So in your stats a 2.0 diesel in a BMW is faster?  Scared to post 330d time? 
...........

5 seconds  ....... and that's also true for the 325d (actually a 3.0 block) which is a nearer match numbers wise. 
Sorry Opti.   

Quite scary that it's a closer match to a 2.0d. 

Thought it would be quick 

No the Gearbox   Manual or auto   

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

So in your stats a 2.0 diesel in a BMW is faster?  Scared to post 330d time? 
...........

5 seconds  ....... and that's also true for the 325d (actually a 3.0 block) which is a nearer match numbers wise. 
Sorry Opti.   

Quite scary that it's a closer match to a 2.0d. 

Omega has no turbo. That is why I' m comparing 2 litres with 2.6 or 3.0

For the record my old CLS 500 managed 30-70 mph in 4.8 secs...........0-60MPH in 5.6secs. T'was  a quick old bus.

[YZ250]

So in your stats a 2.0 diesel in a BMW is faster?  Scared to post 330d time? 
...........

5 seconds  ....... and that's also true for the 325d (actually a 3.0 block) which is a nearer match numbers wise. 
Sorry Opti.   

Quite scary that it's a closer match to a 2.0d. 

Omega has no turbo. That is why I' m comparing 2 litres with 2.6 or 3.0

For the record my old CLS 500 managed 30-70 mph in 4.8 secs...........0-60MPH in 5.6secs. T'was  a quick old bus.

Considering its size, that is quick. 

[2boxerdogs]

What's all this about ? It will be penis size next !! The legal limit is 70 my 2.6 manual gets there quick enough don't bother timing it & it will sit there all day comfortably..

[05omegav6]

Maybe. But its cost of 55mpg on the wallet. 

Least my V6 is not 'The Vegetarian Version' you need full meat eating 3,200ccs of GMs finest 

Whats yours tunnie Man or Auto 

It's not ex-Police, it's retail Elite 

So in your stats a 2.0 diesel in a BMW is faster?  Scared to post 330d time? 
...........

5 seconds  ....... and that's also true for the 325d (actually a 3.0 block) which is a nearer match numbers wise. 
Sorry Opti.   

Quite scary that it's a closer match to a 2.0d. 

Thought it would be quick 

No the Gearbox   Manual or auto   

Clearly indecisive like a girl, so plainly an auto

[Rog]

What's all this about ? It will be penis size next !! The legal limit is 70 my 2.6 manual gets there quick enough don't bother timing it & it will sit there all day comfortably..

Exactly 

But on that subject mine is . . . . . . . .   

[YZ250]

What's all this about ? It will be penis size next !! The legal limit is 70 my 2.6 manual gets there quick enough don't bother timing it & it will sit there all day comfortably..

Quite right. 

I've got no interest in speed anymore.........especially after my recent indiscretion. 

I've noticed that now I'm sticking to the speed limit people behind me are more friendly and *wave* to me more. 

*I say wave, it may be gesticulating.

[chrisgixer]

What's all this about ? It will be penis size next !! The legal limit is 70 my 2.6 manual gets there quick enough don't bother timing it & it will sit there all day comfortably..

Quite right. 

I've got no interest in speed anymore.........especially after my recent indiscretion. 

I've noticed that now I'm sticking to the speed limit people behind me are more friendly and *wave* to me more. 

*I say wave, it may be gesticulating.

Does friendliness vary with lane allocation, at all

[YZ250]

What's all this about ? It will be penis size next !! The legal limit is 70 my 2.6 manual gets there quick enough don't bother timing it & it will sit there all day comfortably..

Quite right. 

I've got no interest in speed anymore.........especially after my recent indiscretion. 

I've noticed that now I'm sticking to the speed limit people behind me are more friendly and *wave* to me more. 

*I say wave, it may be gesticulating.

Does friendliness vary with lane allocation, at all

On single carriageways, with heavy traffic in opposite direction, they can be really friendly, to the degree that they clearly want me to pull over for a chat. 

I remember when I was always in a hurry, even when there was no need to be (seems like only last week..... oh, it was  ), and always getting irate with other drivers holding me up.
I feel so much more relaxed now. 

If I've got to suffer, so have they. 

[cem_devecioglu]

There are some traitorous dogs here at OOF who have described the performance of the Omega as 'slow by modern standards'......you know who you are.....

What is even worse is that these same traitorous dogs dare to suggest that Vauxhall's finest would be humbled by just about every turbo-diesel on the planet. Balls.

In defence of the mighty Omega I have just run some performance tests on my totally stock 88000 mile MV6.

I have chosen acceleration through the gears between 30 MPH and 70 MPH as this the yardstick that most magazines use........0-60MPH is more about traction an gearing than outright power.

Here goes........My car recorded a 30-70 mph time of 7.9 secs........taking 184.4 metres.

Competitors.....BMW 320D....................................7.6 secs
                     Jaguar XF 2.2D..............................8.0
                    Vauxhall Insignia 2.0CDTI 160............8.4
                    Golf 2.0 TDi....................................8.6
                    Mazda MX5 2.0................................7.2
                    Merc C220 CDI.................................8.5

So, in summary, this 20 year old engine even in it's smaller (2.6) form can still cut it with the modern derv drinker.

* performance figures for the smoky belching diesels have been taken from Autocar magazine road tests.








   

Opti, your omega can easily be converted to a short ratio dogleg getrag 245 or a ZF 6 speed, and some high profile cams.. then those numbers will drastically change

[Lizzie_Zoom]

What's all this about ? It will be penis size next !! The legal limit is 70 my 2.6 manual gets there quick enough don't bother timing it & it will sit there all day comfortably..

  I have been watching this thread and just laughing whilst thinking exactly what you have expressed Tibo.   

A V6 Omega is fast enough........especially my 3.2

[Jusme]

My 3 pennorth. What's all this about ? It will be penis size next !! The legal limit is 70 my 2.6 manual gets there quick enough don't bother timing it & it will sit there all day comfortably.. 'At last'... 'sigh'!!... For the record my old CLS 500 managed 30-70 mph in 4.8 secs...........0-60MPH in 5.6secs. T'was  a quick old bus. And 'ONLY 5 litres'... 'Who cares'.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

My 3 pennorth. What's all this about ? It will be penis size next !! The legal limit is 70 my 2.6 manual gets there quick enough don't bother timing it & it will sit there all day comfortably.. 'At last'... 'sigh'!!... For the record my old CLS 500 managed 30-70 mph in 4.8 secs...........0-60MPH in 5.6secs. T'was  a quick old bus. And 'ONLY 5 litres'... 'Who cares'.

Nineteen year old ( in mind, not body) petrol heads like myself.

[TheBoy]

What's all this about ? It will be penis size next !! The legal limit is 70 my 2.6 manual gets there quick enough don't bother timing it & it will sit there all day comfortably..

Quite right. 

I've got no interest in speed anymore.........especially after my recent indiscretion. 

I've noticed that now I'm sticking to the speed limit people behind me are more friendly and *wave* to me more. 

*I say wave, it may be gesticulating.

Does friendliness vary with lane allocation, at all

On single carriageways, with heavy traffic in opposite direction, they can be really friendly, to the degree that they clearly want me to pull over for a chat. 

I remember when I was always in a hurry, even when there was no need to be (seems like only last week..... oh, it was  ), and always getting irate with other drivers holding me up.
I feel so much more relaxed now. 

If I've got to suffer, so have they. 

Spoken like a true caravan owner 

[TheBoy]

There are some traitorous dogs here at OOF who have described the performance of the Omega as 'slow by modern standards'......you know who you are.....

What is even worse is that these same traitorous dogs dare to suggest that Vauxhall's finest would be humbled by just about every turbo-diesel on the planet. Balls.

In defence of the mighty Omega I have just run some performance tests on my totally stock 88000 mile MV6.

I have chosen acceleration through the gears between 30 MPH and 70 MPH as this the yardstick that most magazines use........0-60MPH is more about traction an gearing than outright power.

Here goes........My car recorded a 30-70 mph time of 7.9 secs........taking 184.4 metres.

Competitors.....BMW 320D....................................7.6 secs
                     Jaguar XF 2.2D..............................8.0
                    Vauxhall Insignia 2.0CDTI 160............8.4
                    Golf 2.0 TDi....................................8.6
                    Mazda MX5 2.0................................7.2
                    Merc C220 CDI.................................8.5

So, in summary, this 20 year old engine even in it's smaller (2.6) form can still cut it with the modern derv drinker.

* performance figures for the smoky belching diesels have been taken from Autocar magazine road tests.

Be interesting to see what a 15yr old, 217k 3.0l auto could manage - although the 0-60 between the bigger and smaller V6's isn't that great, its that midrange power where the larger versions seem so much better.

I think a trip down to Mr Wood is in order

[Jusme]

For the record my old CLS 500 managed 30-70 mph in 4.8 secs...........0-60MPH in 5.6secs. T'was  a quick old bus.
In 1988 my 2 litre Cossie RS500 after a trip to Brodie Britain managed 0 - 60 in 4.8secs. and 0 - 100 in a shade over 11 secs... 'So there' Merc man.... Can't understand why Clarkson gets 'orgasmic' over cars that manage the same times 26 years on???

[Magwheels]

Can't understand why Clarkson gets 'orgasmic' over cars that manage the same times 26 years on???

Because he likes the sound of his own voice and it keeps him in a job.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

For the record my old CLS 500 managed 30-70 mph in 4.8 secs...........0-60MPH in 5.6secs. T'was  a quick old bus.
In 1988 my 2 litre Cossie RS500 after a trip to Brodie Britain managed 0 - 60 in 4.8secs. and 0 - 100 in a shade over 11 secs... 'So there' Merc man.... Can't understand why Clarkson gets 'orgasmic' over cars that manage the same times 26 years on???

The Merc was okay but no more than that.....and I'm glad that I sold it.The Omega is a far nicer car to drive anyway. I don't think that JC would cream his jeans over a 0-60 mph sprint in 4.8 sec these days. It would need to be significantly quicker than that.

Maybe  2.6 to sixty and five to 100 mph would be enough to get his juices flowing though....like a Veyron.

[TheBoy]

For the record my old CLS 500 managed 30-70 mph in 4.8 secs...........0-60MPH in 5.6secs. T'was  a quick old bus.
In 1988 my 2 litre Cossie RS500 after a trip to Brodie Britain managed 0 - 60 in 4.8secs. and 0 - 100 in a shade over 11 secs... 'So there' Merc man.... Can't understand why Clarkson gets 'orgasmic' over cars that manage the same times 26 years on???

I think the biggest problem is that cars have become flabby and overweight, so despite the advances, they're no quicker.

As for JC and his Mercs, its possibly due to his downer on BMWs after her was not allowed to test drive the BMW powered McLaren F1 due to a driving conviction...   ...not that I blame him on not liking non M3/M5 beemers

[Lizzie_Zoom]

For the record my old CLS 500 managed 30-70 mph in 4.8 secs...........0-60MPH in 5.6secs. T'was  a quick old bus.
In 1988 my 2 litre Cossie RS500 after a trip to Brodie Britain managed 0 - 60 in 4.8secs. and 0 - 100 in a shade over 11 secs... 'So there' Merc man.... Can't understand why Clarkson gets 'orgasmic' over cars that manage the same times 26 years on???

I think the biggest problem is that cars drivers have become flabby and overweight, so despite the advances, they're no quicker.

As for JC and his Mercs, its possibly due to his downer on BMWs after her was not allowed to test drive the BMW powered McLaren F1 due to a driving conviction...   ...not that I blame him on not liking non M3/M5 beemers

Fixed for you TB!

[Webby the Bear]

In terms of acceleration it is poor. Thirty to seventy is going to be better cos the huge mass has got some momentum.

It's all about the wafting along people 

[tunnie]

In terms of acceleration it is poor. Thirty to seventy is going to be better cos the huge mass has got some momentum.

It's all about the wafting along people 

Great cruisers, just eat the miles. 

[Webby the Bear]

In terms of acceleration it is poor. Thirty to seventy is going to be better cos the huge mass has got some momentum.

It's all about the wafting along people 

Great cruisers, just eat the miles. 

Very true mate.

Re the acceleration with the auto you have to be in the position where it can drop a cog or it isn't fast at all. E.g. When you're crawling along and then mash the pedal it's really slow. But if you're in third and it drops to second that's quite fast. All about timing.

[tunnie]

Can be very lazy driving the 3.2, just effortless. Suspect most times where a diesel is trying it on, the diesel is revin it's nuts off and going through the gears.

Where as the 3.2 just pulls and pulls.

I must be doing something right, think the rears will be shot soon on the 3.2, be lucky if I get 14k out of them 

TB also has same tyres as me 

Ohhh the shame! 

[Sir Tigger KC]

I respect my Omega far too much to rag it like you lot!   

In fact I've taken to wearing a flat cap, driving gloves and have a pipe stuck between my teeth as I cruise up the motorway at 70 (ish) and everywhere else at about 10 mph below the limit!   

[05omegav6]

I respect my Omega far too much to rag it like you lot!   

In fact I've taken to wearing a flat cap, driving gloves and have a pipe stuck between my teeth as I cruise up the motorway at 70 (ish) and everywhere else at about 10 mph below the limit!   

Ahe...bulls...hit...m said the fence panel

[TheBoy]

Suspect most times where a diesel is trying it on, the diesel is revin it's nuts off and going through the gears.

Not usually revving too hard, as diesels tend to produce it all lower down. Modern ones are a bit peaky, thus need constant gearchanges to keep them on the boil, hence many coming with 7 or 8 speed autoboxes now

I must be doing something right, think the rears will be shot soon on the 3.2, be lucky if I get 14k out of them 

TB also has same tyres as me 

Ohhh the shame! 

Those tyres have catastrophically poor grip, wet or dry. And not much durability either. Not really much to recommend them, although they do give a nice ride.

[Phil]

Omegas are not slow, but they are not quick by modern standards.

Look at the Vauxhall alternative from the Omegas death, a 2.8 V6 engine with a 30-70 time of circa 5 seconds, weighs about the same as the Omega but considerably quicker.

I will be having a play at some point to see how close it is to 5 secs but with a 0-60 time of 6.2 seconds and nearly 300+ lb-ft torque I would be fairly sure its not a million miles out, even with an auto box :-)

As I also currently own a 3.2V6 Omega I can speak from direct comparison and know the Omega doesn't come close on in gear acelleration

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Omegas are not slow, but they are not quick by modern standards.

Look at the Vauxhall alternative from the Omegas death, a 2.8 V6 engine with a 30-70 time of circa 5 seconds, weighs about the same as the Omega but considerably quicker.

I will be having a play at some point to see how close it is to 5 secs but with a 0-60 time of 6.2 seconds and nearly 300+ lb-ft torque I would be fairly sure its not a million miles out, even with an auto box :-)

As I also currently own a 3.2V6 Omega I can speak from direct comparison and know the Omega doesn't come close on in gear acelleration

Which car do you speak of, Phil?......


Insignia VXR?

[tunnie]

Insignia 

Does not have to be VXR version, other specs had the same engine. Such as the Elite 

[Phil]

Vectra C and Signum, as well as the Inshitnia

Vectra and Signum come in Elite, police special or VXR (and i think in design spec in the Signum) with effecively the same engine, some are 230, some are 255 and some are 280bhp.

The odd thing is no matter which version you start with they all end up with around 400 lb-ft torque and 290ish BHP after a simple 'stage 1' remap, but thats by the bye, in standard form even the 230 is, suprisingly, considerably quicker than the Omega, and the Signum in elite spec is 1670kg!

[Taxi_Driver]

Suspect most times where a diesel is trying it on, the diesel is revin it's nuts off and going through the gears.

Not usually revving too hard, as diesels tend to produce it all lower down. Modern ones are a bit peaky, thus need constant gearchanges to keep them on the boil, hence many coming with 7 or 8 speed autoboxes now

I must be doing something right, think the rears will be shot soon on the 3.2, be lucky if I get 14k out of them 

TB also has same tyres as me 

Ohhh the shame! 

Those tyres have catastrophically poor grip, wet or dry. And not much durability either. Not really much to recommend them, although they do give a nice ride.

I agree, its all down end where the power is....my VRS will pull like a rocket as soon as the turbo kicks in....i reckon thats about 13-1400rpm.....and if your going for it.....its difficult to change up before it hits 2000rpm.....it gets there so quick....never had it over 3k revs tho's, dont forget tunnie, diesels tend to red line at 4.5k

At 7-8mph in 2nd gear (about 900rpm)....it'll still pull away without trouble.....try that in your 2.2 (that would possibly be 'labouring' the 2.2 engine)

[Kevin Wood]

Get a Westfield. Pulls like a diseasel in the sub-2K area, and there's no need to rev it higher to keep up with the traffic, but it will pull all the way to 7400 if you so desire.

[05omegav6]

Most noticeable issue booting the Merc is the kickdown delay... once it's found its gear though, there's no holding it back

[Taxi_Driver]

Most noticeable issue booting the Merc is the kickdown delay... once it's found its gear though, there's no holding it back

Any quicker finding the gear if you use the tiptronic? 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Most noticeable issue booting the Merc is the kickdown delay... once it's found its gear though, there's no holding it back

Any quicker finding the gear if you use the tiptronic? 

very...very.....almost glacially slow, on the Merc that I owned.

[Taxi_Driver]

Most noticeable issue booting the Merc is the kickdown delay... once it's found its gear though, there's no holding it back

Any quicker finding the gear if you use the tiptronic? 

very...very.....almost glacially slow, on the Merc that I owned.

That was an old Merc tho....T Al's is quite a bit newer.....i seem to remember the tiptronic on my then 6 yo C220 with intergalactic miles on it used to take less than 1s to change gear....i used to reckon that you couldnt change gear any faster with a manual box (unless your a pro)

All modern day racing cars and rally cars use tiptronic..... and those dont hang about changing gear 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Most noticeable issue booting the Merc is the kickdown delay... once it's found its gear though, there's no holding it back

Any quicker finding the gear if you use the tiptronic? 

very...very.....almost glacially slow, on the Merc that I owned.

That was an old Merc tho....T Al's is quite a bit newer.....i seem to remember the tiptronic on my then 6 yo C220 with intergalactic miles on it used to take less than 1s to change gear....i used to reckon that you couldnt change gear any faster with a manual box (unless your a pro)

All modern day racing cars and rally cars use tiptronic..... and those dont hang about changing gear 

It is indeed. .......Al has far more money than me.

[05omegav6]

It's infinitely improved in S, but isn't tiptronic... just a straightforward 5 speed slushbox

[Taxi_Driver]

It's infinitely improved in S, but isn't tiptronic... just a straightforward 5 speed slushbox

Are you sure??.....i havent driven a Merc for a while....but back then all Mercs had tiptronic on them....wheres the gearshift? on the centre console or on the steering column?

[05omegav6]

Centre consol, pop it in D then left to change down and right to change up, but nothing fancier than that and certainly not the all singing, all dancing 7G Tronic, flappy paddle gubbins in the new ones

[Taxi_Driver]

Centre consol, pop it in D then left to change down and right to change up, but nothing fancier than that and certainly not the all singing, all dancing 7G Tronic, flappy paddle gubbins in the new ones

Thats still what they call tiptronic 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Centre consol, pop it in D then left to change down and right to change up, but nothing fancier than that and certainly not the all singing, all dancing 7G Tronic, flappy paddle gubbins in the new ones

Exactly as on my CLS500. A novelty for about 5 minutes and then never used again. The changes were about as quick as an Omega auto using manual hold.

[05omegav6]

Centre consol, pop it in D then left to change down and right to change up, but nothing fancier than that and certainly not the all singing, all dancing 7G Tronic, flappy paddle gubbins in the new ones

Exactly as on my CLS500. A novelty for about 5 minutes and then never used again. The changes were about as quick as an Omega auto using manual hold.

Fair dos I figured it was just an electrical version of moving the lever through the gears as per an older auto

[Taxi_Driver]

Centre consol, pop it in D then left to change down and right to change up, but nothing fancier than that and certainly not the all singing, all dancing 7G Tronic, flappy paddle gubbins in the new ones

Exactly as on my CLS500. A novelty for about 5 minutes and then never used again. The changes were about as quick as an Omega auto using manual hold.

Fair dos I figured it was just an electrical version of moving the lever through the gears as per an older auto

But you havent answered my orig question......is it faster to change if you whack the gear stick, than using kickdown. I tended to use the tiptronic to make my merc change down......coz it would only kickdown if you pressed the pedal all the way to the floor....ie using loads of fuel....when a 1/2 way on the throttle and use the tiptronic had the same effect, but use less fuel 

[05omegav6]

Possibly marginally when in E, but no noticeable difference when in S, as near as I can tell

[Taxi_Driver]

Possibly marginally when in E, but no noticeable difference when in S, as near as I can tell

It should be, but dont know why it isnt in S....

As far as i understand it .... If you use kickdown to change gear the ECU has to work out which is the lowest gear it can change to with out over revving....if you are in 5th for example.....hit the tiptronic asking it for 4th, it only has to check 4th wont over rev it....then change....so one less step the ECU has to work out .....just a quick tap on the gearshift is needed....otherwise you'll be finding your asking it to change to 1st 

[Kevin Wood]

The time taken for the ECU to work out what gear to change into is insignificant. It really just depends what type of gearbox it's controlling. If it's controlling a slushbox, it'll change gear like a slushbox. If it's a dual clutch box like a DSG it'll be swifter. If it's a "proper" sequential gearbox that can do clutchless shifts it'll be instant.

The mechanism by which it gets told which gear to change into makes no odds. If it's a slushbox, might as well save yourself the hassle and frustration and let the ECU decide, IMHO. On such gearboxes, tiptronic is a marketing fad designed to immitate what you get in a Ferrari whilst giving you gearchanges that take about 3 weeks longer, IMHO.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

The time taken for the ECU to work out what gear to change into is insignificant. It really just depends what type of gearbox it's controlling. If it's controlling a slushbox, it'll change gear like a slushbox. If it's a dual clutch box like a DSG it'll be swifter. If it's a "proper" sequential gearbox that can do clutchless shifts it'll be instant.

The mechanism by which it gets told which gear to change into makes no odds. If it's a slushbox, might as well save yourself the hassle and frustration and let the ECU decide, IMHO. On such gearboxes, tiptronic is a marketing fad designed to immitate what you get in a Ferrari whilst giving you gearchanges that take about 3 weeks longer, IMHO.

3 weeks ......mine was nothing like as quick as that, Kevin.


Think eons.

[05omegav6]

The time taken for the ECU to work out what gear to change into is insignificant. It really just depends what type of gearbox it's controlling. If it's controlling a slushbox, it'll change gear like a slushbox. If it's a dual clutch box like a DSG it'll be swifter. If it's a "proper" sequential gearbox that can do clutchless shifts it'll be instant.

The mechanism by which it gets told which gear to change into makes no odds. If it's a slushbox, might as well save yourself the hassle and frustration and let the ECU decide, IMHO. On such gearboxes, tiptronic is a marketing fad designed to immitate what you get in a Ferrari whilst giving you gearchanges that take about 3 weeks longer, IMHO.

Standard 5 speed slush box

Which roughly translates to less shit to go wrong