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[Mr.OmegaMan]

Can't recall, Where about's is the rear level sensor located..?

Been driving me crazy today this message coming on allot even with the lights off. 

[RobG]

Can't recall, Where about's is the rear level sensor located..?

Been driving me crazy today this message coming on allot even with the lights off. 

Nearside trailing arm

[Mr.OmegaMan]

Thanks Rob, I'll take a look tomoz 

[Mr.OmegaMan]

Just been out for a drive in the dark... While driving it will occasionally pop up with the error, More so if hard braking or accelerating hard, I noticed in a empty car park giving it short bursts of power forward and reverse the lights do go up and down as they should then the error pops up and wont go off unless you move or click OK..

Btw what is the part number for these front and rear level sensors incase i need them 

[dbug]

Level sensors same front and rear, just different fittings   Sorry not got part no. to hand - where's RobG when you need him

[Mr.OmegaMan]

Level sensors same front and rear, just different fittings   Sorry not got part no. to hand - where's RobG when you need him

  thank mate

[Mr.OmegaMan]

From what I've described what does it sound like to yous as to what's causing this error message...

[chrisgixer]

Could be anything from the sensors themselves to the motors in the headlights to a wiring fault between the two.

But the most likely/common fault is the sensors. Usually the small rose joints on the little connecting rods to the sensor arm seize up, in turn pulling the sensor ball on the arm out the back of the socket in the sensor. Some tlc in UN seizing the rose joints and some grease in the sensor ball joint may fix it, but usually by that time it's too late, the parts are worn and the sensor ball falls out again.

If the sensors look physically intact, then the headlight motors would be next port of call IMO. Then the wiring.

No personal experience beyond sensor faults though.

[RobG]

Just been out for a drive in the dark... While driving it will occasionally pop up with the error, More so if hard braking or accelerating hard, I noticed in a empty car park giving it short bursts of power forward and reverse the lights do go up and down as they should then the error pops up and wont go off unless you move or click OK..

Btw what is the part number for these front and rear level sensors incase i need them 

93165414  Around £100+ each

[TheBoy]

Ideally needs some live data - if the sensors are reporting wank on part of their movement, or the servos are reporting tosh, then you're breaked without randomly changing parts.

Also, use Kevin Woods battery charging guide - the ECU is particularly sensitive to undervoltage conditions.

[Mr.OmegaMan]

Battery/Charging are fine, No error codes, Sensors are intact and moving as they should, Lights move up and down them self's as can be seen here LINK Was fine today for around 10 miles got back home went out later again then it was acting up again with that error message.

Is there a way around this to stop the error message popping up without fixing whatever is apparently wrong with it... Like disconnect something ? .. I really haven't got any patience for it at the moment. I don't even go out in the dark it's just annoying & presumably an MOT failure that message.

[chrisgixer]

Nope. Fix the fault. Head lights out isn't too bad a job, and check the motors aren't rusty. IMO anyway...

[Mr.OmegaMan]

Nope. Fix the fault. Head lights out isn't too bad a job, and check the motors aren't rusty. IMO anyway...

If I knew what the fault is i would, No doubt it's either an awkward or expensive problem...

[dbug]

Had this on the old Elite Estate - checked out sensors and motors ok - turned out to be a broken wire in loom on inner wing between front sensor and motors - bugger to find.

[TheBoy]

As said, needs codes read to give you a fighting idea.s

[VXL V6]

Had this on the 3.2 and all the sensors and motors checked out ok.

Ended up being the purple/black wire chaffing against the arch liner where the loom runs up to the Levelling ECU.

[Mr.OmegaMan]

Had this on the old Elite Estate - checked out sensors and motors ok - turned out to be a broken wire in loom on inner wing between front sensor and motors - bugger to find.

Had this on the 3.2 and all the sensors and motors checked out ok.

Ended up being the purple/black wire chaffing against the arch liner where the loom runs up to the Levelling ECU.

Could well be a rough road put the final nail in the coffin so to speak, Will have a gander when possible 

[Mr.OmegaMan]

As said, needs codes read to give you a fighting idea.s

There are no codes relating to this I've checked TB, Although not a Tech2 but i presume any code reader would pick up all the error codes ?

[TheBoy]

As said, needs codes read to give you a fighting idea.s

There are no codes relating to this I've checked TB, Although not a Tech2 but i presume any code reader would pick up all the error codes ?

If you are getting a Range message, either there is a code in the headlight ECU, or the single wire from the ECU to the MID is buggered.

[Andy B]

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There are no codes relating to this I've checked TB, Although not a Tech2 but i presume any code reader would pick up all the error codes ?

Depends on the code reader. I suspect that the code reader used on your car just did engine codes, in which case it won't tell you what the fault is to show the range fault 

[Mr.OmegaMan]

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There are no codes relating to this I've checked TB, Although not a Tech2 but i presume any code reader would pick up all the error codes ?

Depends on the code reader. I suspect that the code reader used on your car just did engine codes, in which case it won't tell you what the fault is to show the range fault 

Well I've been using the Scam My Opel app as of late if that makes a difference 

[TheBoy]

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There are no codes relating to this I've checked TB, Although not a Tech2 but i presume any code reader would pick up all the error codes ?

Depends on the code reader. I suspect that the code reader used on your car just did engine codes, in which case it won't tell you what the fault is to show the range fault 

Well I've been using the Scam My Opel app as of late if that makes a difference 

More chance of pulling yer foreskin up over you ears, I suspect...

[Andy B]

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More chance of pulling yer foreskin up over you ears, I suspect...

 

[cjackel492]

Does anyone know how the sensors work? Are they just variable resistors or do they give a digital output?

Mine comes up with range message as soon as I move off and I've found the front sensor is shot.. No linkage or innards..

Thinking it might be easier to spoof the reading the level unit wants.

Carl,

[Andy B]

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Thinking it might be easier to spoof the reading the level unit wants.

Carl,

Surely it'd be easier to replace the faulty bit. 

[chrisgixer]

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Thinking it might be easier to spoof the reading the level unit wants.

Carl,

Surely it'd be easier to replace the faulty bit. 

...and hence have the system adjust the lights correctly according to level of the car. So other people aren't blinded by incorrectly adjusting Zenon/Hid lights. Which is the whole idea, after all.

[05omegav6]

Be fitting Vectra cam covers next

[amba]

Had a similar problem with mine when I first bought it..Range message would appear sometimes but not always and traced that back to a perishes wire where it enters tha plug for the front sensor.

Live data showed voltage  at rear sensor but less at the front so that did atleast give me a starting point.Replaced damged section of wiring and plug and all was well again.

[cjackel492]

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Thinking it might be easier to spoof the reading the level unit wants.

Carl,

Surely it'd be easier to replace the faulty bit. 

Easier, maybe, But at £100.. Cheaper to spoof it.

Thinking as it's the front, then it shouldn't have as much impact on the aim level.

At the moe, the aim is very short so not keep on high speed driving at night..

Carl,

[Mr.OmegaMan]

Managed to get rid of the message for now anyway, Now I've said it prob jinxed it..

Tried cleaning the front/rear sensors and making sure they are silky free, 20 odd miles no message poping up with lights off/on.

Will update on how long this lasts.

[VXL V6]

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Thinking it might be easier to spoof the reading the level unit wants.

Carl,

Surely it'd be easier to replace the faulty bit. 

Easier, maybe, But at £100.. Cheaper to spoof it.

Thinking as it's the front, then it shouldn't have as much impact on the aim level.

At the moe, the aim is very short so not keep on high speed driving at night..

Carl,

Don't think anyone would charge that for a good second hand unit on here.

[TheBoy]

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Thinking it might be easier to spoof the reading the level unit wants.

Carl,

Surely it'd be easier to replace the faulty bit. 

Easier, maybe, But at £100.. Cheaper to spoof it.

Thinking as it's the front, then it shouldn't have as much impact on the aim level.

At the moe, the aim is very short so not keep on high speed driving at night..

Carl,

Replace with a known good 2nd hand one. Better than bodging it, and disabling the system is a tad irresponsible, no matter how low you think you've set them, IMHO.

[Nick W]

Surely it'd be easier to replace the faulty bit. 

Easier, maybe, But at £100.. Cheaper to spoof it.

Thinking as it's the front, then it shouldn't have as much impact on the aim level.

At the moe, the aim is very short so not keep on high speed driving at night..

Carl,

Don't think anyone would charge that for a good second hand unit on here.

They're hardly the most robust part, and only being fitted to Elites means they're not particularly common. But I do agree that making the system work properly is a fix rather than a lashup just to turn the warning off.

[chrisgixer]

Not only fitted to Elites. Btw.

[05omegav6]

Not only fitted to Elites. Btw.

Facelift CDX, Elite and standard on everything with the 3.2 fitted Optional on the rest except GLS...

[chrisgixer]

Not only fitted to Elites. Btw.

Facelift CDX, Elite and standard on everything with the 3.2 fitted Optional on the rest except GLS...

I was going to say plod, but you out anoraked me

[Mr.OmegaMan]

MV6 have HIDs too just not the 2.2 Sport 

[05omegav6]

MV6 have HIDs too just not the 2.2 Sport 

Yup, 2.2 Sport has halogen lights. Only has headlight washers to keep the Prodrive production line happy

 Just double checked the brochure, all facelift MV6s had xenons

[cjackel492]

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Thinking it might be easier to spoof the reading the level unit wants.

Carl,

Surely it'd be easier to replace the faulty bit. 

Easier, maybe, But at £100.. Cheaper to spoof it.

Thinking as it's the front, then it shouldn't have as much impact on the aim level.

At the moe, the aim is very short so not keep on high speed driving at night..

Carl,

Don't think anyone would charge that for a good second hand unit on here.

Anyone got one for sale? Along with the linkage which is also missing on mine.

Carl,

[Mr.OmegaMan]

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Thinking it might be easier to spoof the reading the level unit wants.

Carl,

Surely it'd be easier to replace the faulty bit. 

Easier, maybe, But at £100.. Cheaper to spoof it.

Thinking as it's the front, then it shouldn't have as much impact on the aim level.

At the moe, the aim is very short so not keep on high speed driving at night..

Carl,

Don't think anyone would charge that for a good second hand unit on here.

Anyone got one for sale? Along with the linkage which is also missing on mine.

Carl,

Best to put a wanted Ad up in the relevant section 

[TheBoy]

Factory fitted to:
MFL MV6 (Retail and Plod)
MFL Elite (Retail and Plod)
FL MV6 (Retail and plod), CDX and Elite

So plenty around normally. Front and rear sensor are the same, just need to swap over brackets. Rears rarely seem to cause any issue.

[05omegav6]

Factory fitted to:
MFL MV6 (Retail and Plod)
MFL Elite (Retail and Plod)
FL MV6 (Retail and plod), CDX and Elite

So plenty around normally. Front and rear sensor are the same, just need to swap over brackets. Rears rarely seem to cause any issue.

Unless a puddle rips the arm out or the wire breaks... Had both on mine, although perversely, no error message... Fault announced by Tech2...

Altering the suspension geometry and ride height might cause issues as well....

[Mr.OmegaMan]

Touch wood it seems to be fine for now, Trurn lights on then the ignition then there's a noise around the engine bay the lights go up slightly then back down with the same message on the screen but once you hit OK it doesn't come back on... Bit like that break light check need to press ok or the break to get rid of the message   

Been out in the dark the lights have never been so good on it not dazzling anyone at all now while also still giving enough light to see ahead 

[TheBoy]

Mr Omegaman, stop dicking around and get it on a reader. IIRC, Jimbob is not a million miles away from one of your Sunday afternoon jaunts, though not sure if his can read headlights.

At least then you would know what you need to do

[Mr.OmegaMan]

It's working as it should for now, If it stays like that it's fine with me, Doesn't have to be perfect 

[cjackel492]

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Thinking it might be easier to spoof the reading the level unit wants.

Carl,

Surely it'd be easier to replace the faulty bit. 

Easier, maybe, But at £100.. Cheaper to spoof it.

Thinking as it's the front, then it shouldn't have as much impact on the aim level.

At the moe, the aim is very short so not keep on high speed driving at night..

Carl,

Don't think anyone would charge that for a good second hand unit on here.

Anyone got one for sale? Along with the linkage which is also missing on mine.

Carl,

Best to put a wanted Ad up in the relevant section 

Can't post in the wanted ad section as I don't have 250 posts.

Carl,

[Mr.OmegaMan]

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Thinking it might be easier to spoof the reading the level unit wants.

Carl,

Surely it'd be easier to replace the faulty bit. 

Easier, maybe, But at £100.. Cheaper to spoof it.

Thinking as it's the front, then it shouldn't have as much impact on the aim level.

At the moe, the aim is very short so not keep on high speed driving at night..

Carl,

Don't think anyone would charge that for a good second hand unit on here.

Anyone got one for sale? Along with the linkage which is also missing on mine.

Carl,

Best to put a wanted Ad up in the relevant section 

Can't post in the wanted ad section as I don't have 250 posts.

Carl,

Put one up in the test zone and an admin will move it for you