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« on: 27 December 2018, 20:17:05 »

Seems this is really gaining in popularity since Germany has overcome its reticence to arm up.

There is an interesting interview with outgoing and incoming German Foreign Ministers on Euronews . Also an item on Bbc website on how Germany is ramping up military spending. Theyhadan embarrassment when Merkels aging military plane broke down on way to recent G20.

Be interesting to see how it deals with the threat from Russia, from fundamentalism  in Middle East and other issues nearby. It will also be interesting  if a diss’ed post Brexit Britain will be expectied to contribute.

Shame  many EU countries failed to step up to the mark with NATO spend.It is regretable that the US is pulling back from every conflict.

What will the UK role be in the future.?  Where is the threat going to come from?  Russian fleet coimg out of the Baltic or Murmansk?

I am thinking ISIS or similar terrorist attacks is still a big issue. Lets hope post Brexit the two way co op continues. Cressida Dick fears otherwise.

European  Army? Good thing or bad thing? What next for NATO?
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Re: EU army
« Reply #1 on: 27 December 2018, 21:28:09 »

anyone seen Rods?
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Re: EU army
« Reply #2 on: 27 December 2018, 21:32:21 »

Seems this is really gaining in popularity since Germany has overcome its reticence to arm up.

There is an interesting interview with outgoing and incoming German Foreign Ministers on Euronews . Also an item on Bbc website on how Germany is ramping up military spending. Theyhadan embarrassment when Merkels aging military plane broke down on way to recent G20.

Be interesting to see how it deals with the threat from Russia, from fundamentalism  in Middle East and other issues nearby. It will also be interesting  if a diss’ed post Brexit Britain will be expectied to contribute.

Shame  many EU countries failed to step up to the mark with NATO spend.It is regretable that the US is pulling back from every conflict.

What will the UK role be in the future.?  Where is the threat going to come from?  Russian fleet coimg out of the Baltic or Murmansk?

I am thinking ISIS or similar terrorist attacks is still a big issue. Lets hope post Brexit the two way co op continues. Cressida Dick fears otherwise.

European  Army? Good thing or bad thing? What next for NATO?
Ask our defence secretary. Oh wait, don't, the gormless t**t hasn't got a clue what he's talking about. He gives Vladimir a good laugh though.
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Re: EU army
« Reply #3 on: 27 December 2018, 22:48:43 »

While we are waiting for the erstwhile Rods, did anyone see Vlads missiles.? No way of shooting them down he claims  Gulp.
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« Reply #4 on: 28 December 2018, 08:36:43 »

It will also be interesting  if a diss’ed post Brexit Britain will be expectied to contribute.

Contribute? If that's what you call "Roll over and be invaded"..
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Re: EU army
« Reply #5 on: 28 December 2018, 10:51:30 »

Biggest threat to UK defense is May's deal where our armed forces control & equipment purchases are handed over to the EU and it will at best restrict out roll in the planets most successful intelligence gathering, the 5-eyes system, as we will be forced to share this with all EU countries some of whom will pass it on to our enemies. France, Greece and the Balkan countries have particularly bad records on this where they are happy for the secrets travel to a common north-eastern European enemy. As usual with all state propaganda Dick's warning on weakened defense is actually the better safer option (where it won't affect our 5-eyes membership) than May's treason. May's propaganda on Brexit is like Russian, the reverse of the truth: So large is small, white is black & lies are the truth or vice versa. So 1984 has arrived.

Several American's I've spoken to are embarrassed with Trump constant lying and zero state craft and I feel the same about serial liar May and the effect is is having on our global standing. Yes Western politicians lie, but they don't normally do it on the industrial scale and level of the Kremlin and 3rd world banana republics. This is what happens when they are both hiding & selling their hidden agendas at the same time. Trump where he is a mobster & being POTUS is a new personal money making opportunity, despite their emolument laws and with Remainer May & her grey suits by locking us into the EU forever while pretending to leave. >:( >:( >:(

The biggest threat to the West and our way of life is what I call the current Axis of Evil: China, Russia, Iran & DPRK. If the West doesn't start taking their Cold War 2.0 actions seriously and pushing back against their cyber warfare then by default, when you don't defend an attack you lose and then a cold war, as a last ditch survival tactic, changes to a hot one. I keep telling people the very worst situation you can be is in the middle of a hot war like Syria or Ukraine and the second worst is living under a ruthless dictatorship and their regime, where everything you possess is leased from the state, including your life and any of the leases can be terminated at anytime with no right of appeal. Don't let it happen to you.

The 5-eyes system already has issues with intelligence sharing restrictions to the US where they have a Russian owned POTUS who has passed on intelligence to his Kremlin boss and his agents. Expect this to form part of his 2019 downfall along with singing canary General Michael Flynn who has cut a deal with Special Investigator Bobby 'three sticks' Mueller. In the US this is still a capital crime.

Before Treason May's sellout we have rightly resisted a Euro Army as a French driven duplication & undermining of NATO. The issue as usual since 1991 is not the colour of the badges and shoulder spaghetti but the colour of the money as inadequate European defense spending will only change marginally and be more than absorbed by the increased duplication costs. The only serious EU military forces in Europe are the UK, France, followed by the UK and France. Honourable mentions are for Poland (as they nervously look East & rapidly increase their defense spending), Greece (due to Turkey) and the three too small to really matter Baltic countries. Germany is currently one of the worst in terms of GDP spending and use due to a shortage of weapons black painted broom sticks as small arms substitutes on German army exercises. Several European NATO countries (not the UK) have been rumoured to struggle to maintain small numbers of serviceable aircraft and weapons for them as part of the US lead consortium in Afghanistan.
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Re: EU army
« Reply #6 on: 28 December 2018, 11:39:04 »

Little wonder it took Mr Rods so long to reply.....
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Re: EU army
« Reply #7 on: 28 December 2018, 11:55:07 »

Iran doesn't have a pot to piss in... Not sure how it can be a threat to anyone but itself :-\
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Re: EU army
« Reply #8 on: 28 December 2018, 12:10:45 »

Iran doesn't have a pot to piss in... Not sure how it can be a threat to anyone but itself :-\


cobbled together countries with money, like Saudi Arabia are a much bigger threat.



I wonder how long North Korea can stay separate from the south.
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Re: EU army
« Reply #9 on: 28 December 2018, 14:21:01 »

Iran is a major source of forces in the Middle East and terrorist training for ISIS and the Taliban in Afghanistan. It is Iranian designs of IEDs and training that have caused so many casualties to Western forces in Afghanistan. >:( >:( >:(

Iranian forces in Syria:

https://www.idf.il/en/minisites/facts-and-figures/iran-in-syria/iranian-forces-deployed-in-syria/

Iranian forces in Iraq:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_intervention_in_Iraq_(2014%E2%80%93present)

Iranian support of the Taliban:

https://thediplomat.com/2018/11/managed-instability-iran-the-taliban-and-afghanistan/

Iranian support & weapons for Yemen Houthis:

https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/arab-coalition-lays-bare-iranian-support-for-houthis-in-yemen-1.742032

This includes the firing of over 100 ballistic missiles on Saudi Arabia from Yemen. Saudi Arabian Muslims are predominately Sunni and Iran are predominantly Shia. The Sunni & Shia Muslims hate each other, their versions are incompatible and both want to eliminate each other, which is why you have a fundamental conflict between Russian supported Iran and Western supported Saudi Arabia with both sides selling very large quantities arms to their supported side. Russia has also covertly for many years sold nuclear material through the mafia boss of bosses Ukrainian Semion Mogilevich. What could possibly go wrong?

Not sure that I totally agree with the Council on Foreign Relations president and author of "A World In Disarray" view, but it is certainly an area on instability and a possibility and with Israel are making noises again about Hezbollah on their border in Syria and their frequent rocket attacks on them and upping their attacks further in Syria along with threatening a land invasion to remove them, you can see why a 2019 war is a possibility.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/12/27/richard_haass_iran_is_the_most_likely_setting_for_a_major_new_war_in_2019.html

Talking about major wars in 2019, you can't rule out a major Russian escalation in Ukraine where proactive citizens have cut off the main water canal to Russian Occupied Crimea thus creating a drought and Putin is very angry at Ukraine leaving the Russian Orthodox church with the Greek Orthodox Council approving the new Ukrainian one, which officially comes into being on 6th January 2019. There has been a major Russian armoured buildup on the Ukrainian border since late August, which continued last week with a buildup of aircraft and helicopters in Crimea. :( :( :(
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Re: EU army
« Reply #10 on: 28 December 2018, 14:36:18 »

The EU need an EU Army to protect the Irish Border after weve gone Hard No Deal Brexit, because I very much doubt we'll be doing it.  ???
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« Reply #11 on: 28 December 2018, 15:29:53 »

The EU need an EU Army to protect the Irish Border after weve gone Hard No Deal Brexit, because I very much doubt we'll be doing it.  ???
The EU will put one up to stop us getting out, not Paddy getting in.
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« Reply #12 on: 28 December 2018, 16:19:19 »

The EU need an EU Army to protect the Irish Border after weve gone Hard No Deal Brexit, because I very much doubt we'll be doing it.  ???
The EU will put one up to stop us getting out, not Paddy getting in.


That is the requirement for an EU hard border....
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« Reply #13 on: 28 December 2018, 16:39:35 »

Yet Switzerland has a border with 5 EU countries and not so much as a thought or mention of a hard border anywhere near Switzerland.  ::)
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« Reply #14 on: 28 December 2018, 17:14:13 »

...the US where they have a Russian owned POTUS who has passed on intelligence to his Kremlin boss and his agents.

Your Trump Derangement Syndrome has truly taken hold. Pure nonsense.  ::)
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