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[SMD]

I'm considering buying one of these in 6-12 months.

5.0 V8, 510bhp, sensible insurance (surprisingly) road tax is probably in the £500+ bracket though. Not gonna be great on fuel but not a problem.

I dont expect maintenance to be cheap but how reliable are they? I can probably live with one big bill and service a year.

Or should I get something newer with some warranty but not as fast? E.g. a BMW 340i F30 - I know there's not much love for beemers here but please try to be objective 

20k budget

Thanks

[2boxerdogs]

Colleague at work has had one for about 3 years had no problems just routine services looks great in red & sounds very nice indeed can't go wrong with a V8 engine..

[STEMO]

Opti May be the person to ask.

[SMD]

Tilbo how is your colleagues car? I'm looking at facelift MY2011-2012

Stemo, Has His Majesty got one?

[STEMO]

Tilbo how is your colleagues car? I'm looking at facelift MY2011-2012

Stemo, Has His Majesty got one?

He certainly has, a full fat one too.

[SMD]

Thats a nice pussy 

https://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=140749.msg1824285#msg1824285

[2boxerdogs]

Tilbo how is your colleagues car? I'm looking at facelift MY2011-2012

Stemo, Has His Majesty got one?

 
Off the top of my head I think a 2009/10 it has a private plate on so can't really say for sure.

[STEMO]

Tilbo how is your colleagues car? I'm looking at facelift MY2011-2012

Stemo, Has His Majesty got one?

 
Off the top of my head I think a 2009/10 it has a private plate on so can't really say for sure.

It's a 15 plate, as shown in his pics. 

[TheBoy]

Original waterpumps are known to be weak, and some of the belts are labour expensive at garage/dealer prices.  There is an intake pipe that also fails.  Uses the same crappy locking motors as my XJ (about £100 for part), and I think all the XFRs had keyless entry, so same crappy modules in the exterior door handles that fail (£70 for part).

Obviously, being pretty powerful, rear tyres are going to need regular changes, and no point putting anything but top end tyres on. And brakes.  But this is nothing to do with the XFR, just powerful cars.


Strangely, I was hovering over a Buy Now XFR the other day...  ...but the economy would be my issue.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Strangely, I was hovering over a Buy Now XFR the other day...  ...but the economy would be my issue.

Are they LPG-able TB? 

My need for a battered workhorse estate will (hopefully) be coming to an end soonish and I'm thinking of treating myself to something nice. 

[TheBoy]

Strangely, I was hovering over a Buy Now XFR the other day...  ...but the economy would be my issue.

Are they LPG-able TB? 

My need for a battered workhorse estate will (hopefully) be coming to an end soonish and I'm thinking of treating myself to something nice. 

Pretty certain they are direct injection, which I would imagine would make LPG'ing more challenging.

Not sure if the XF is the same, but the X351 XJ has a massive wheel well that would take a huge tank.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Strangely, I was hovering over a Buy Now XFR the other day...  ...but the economy would be my issue.

Are they LPG-able TB? 

My need for a battered workhorse estate will (hopefully) be coming to an end soonish and I'm thinking of treating myself to something nice. 

Pretty certain they are direct injection, which I would imagine would make LPG'ing more challenging.

Not sure if the XF is the same, but the X351 XJ has a massive wheel well that would take a huge tank.

Thinking about it, I've seen later L322 RR's with the Jag V8 that have LPG, but maybe that's the 4.4V8 not the 5.0ltr. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Thats a nice pussy 

https://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=140749.msg1824285#msg1824285

Yep.....my second XFR which I still own.

Great cars.......so go for it.

£20000 should secure you a nice 2013 facelift car with the excellent ZF 8 speed auto.

[SMD]

Tilbo how is your colleagues car? I'm looking at facelift MY2011-2012

Stemo, Has His Majesty got one?

 
Off the top of my head I think a 2009/10 it has a private plate on so can't really say for sure.

It's a 15 plate, as shown in his pics. 

I think he was talking about his colleagues car.

Opti, Why did you sell the black one?

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Tilbo how is your colleagues car? I'm looking at facelift MY2011-2012

Stemo, Has His Majesty got one?

 
Off the top of my head I think a 2009/10 it has a private plate on so can't really say for sure.

It's a 15 plate, as shown in his pics. 

I think he was talking about his colleagues car.

Opti, Why did you sell the black one?

The dealer offered £25000 against the new car which was a good deal. By this time Jaguar had stopped production. My car is one of the last made.

Expect around 22-25 mpg.

[Entwood]

Info on Direct Injection and LPG if you are interested ..

https://brc.it/en/kit/sequent-direct-injection-2-0-en/

https://www.prinsautogas.com/en/products/directliquimax_system/directliquimax_system.html

Most of the other LPG suppliers are now also doing Direct Injection systems  as well

[SMD]

I'll buy yours when you get bored of it 

[TheBoy]

Strangely, I was hovering over a Buy Now XFR the other day...  ...but the economy would be my issue.

Are they LPG-able TB? 

My need for a battered workhorse estate will (hopefully) be coming to an end soonish and I'm thinking of treating myself to something nice. 

Pretty certain they are direct injection, which I would imagine would make LPG'ing more challenging.

Not sure if the XF is the same, but the X351 XJ has a massive wheel well that would take a huge tank.

Thinking about it, I've seen later L322 RR's with the Jag V8 that have LPG, but maybe that's the 4.4V8 not the 5.0ltr. 

How late L322? Very early had Jag 4.2, replaced for the incontinent BMW 4.4 reasonably early on, and later ones got the very decent Jag 5l, probably around 2008ish?

[TheBoy]

Info on Direct Injection and LPG if you are interested ..

https://brc.it/en/kit/sequent-direct-injection-2-0-en/

https://www.prinsautogas.com/en/products/directliquimax_system/directliquimax_system.html

Most of the other LPG suppliers are now also doing Direct Injection systems  as well

Yes, sorry, I meant DIY.  I'm not happy with mongs touching my car

[456lbft]

An alternative within your budget could be E63 AMG, but only the one with the proper AMG 6.2L V8.
As big V8s go, they are impressive, 500bhp, 7500 rpm and no superchargers or turbos to worry about.  XFR's very nice too, the supercharged 5Litre is tuned for low end torque, but I'd be worried about reliability, especially transmission and electrics.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Strangely, I was hovering over a Buy Now XFR the other day...  ...but the economy would be my issue.

Are they LPG-able TB? 

My need for a battered workhorse estate will (hopefully) be coming to an end soonish and I'm thinking of treating myself to something nice. 

Pretty certain they are direct injection, which I would imagine would make LPG'ing more challenging.

Not sure if the XF is the same, but the X351 XJ has a massive wheel well that would take a huge tank.

Thinking about it, I've seen later L322 RR's with the Jag V8 that have LPG, but maybe that's the 4.4V8 not the 5.0ltr. 

How late L322? Very early had Jag 4.2, replaced for the incontinent BMW 4.4 reasonably early on, and later ones got the very decent Jag 5l, probably around 2008ish?

I was thinking about the Jag 4.2 S/C, but that came after the BMW 4.4 in 2005, so not that late on really. 

I guess the super charged Jag 5.0 V8 is the same lump that Lord Opti has and I bet that's great in a RR! 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_Rover_(L322)

[Mr.OmegaMan]

An alternative within your budget could be E63 AMG, but only the one with the proper AMG 6.2L V8.
As big V8s go, they are impressive, 500bhp, 7500 rpm and no superchargers or turbos to worry about.  XFR's very nice too, the supercharged 5Litre is tuned for low end torque, but I'd be worried about reliability, especially transmission and electrics.

As nice as the C63, E63, ML63 etc.. With the M156 6.2 V8 N/A engines are they have been known to have their own problems. Not very common, Granted. But would always be at the back of my mind... I believe most but not all of the niggles where fixed from around 2012/2013>... Earlier cars from 2006-2012 that had the M156 6.2 V8 N/A engine fitted could have issues such as the head bolts snapping, lifter issues, cam shafts... etc..

No idea what the newer E63 with the 5.5 V8 Turbo are like for reliability. Maybe they would be the safer bet?

Only powerful Mercedes I’d consider would be one fitted with the what’s considered a pretty reliable engine. The M113 5.4 V8 N/A or M113K 5.4 V8 Supercharged... Although I believe these ended around 2006 for the E55 / CLS55.

Take these for example, Very nice car’s IMO.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201903226155313?atmobcid=soc4

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201903196043905?atmobcid=soc4

[SMD]

An alternative within your budget could be E63 AMG, but only the one with the proper AMG 6.2L V8.
As big V8s go, they are impressive, 500bhp, 7500 rpm and no superchargers or turbos to worry about.  XFR's very nice too, the supercharged 5Litre is tuned for low end torque, but I'd be worried about reliability, especially transmission and electrics.

Dont make it any harder!

I couldn't resist browsing autotrader looking at E62 AMGs. The V8 biturbos are sexy! 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

An alternative within your budget could be E63 AMG, but only the one with the proper AMG 6.2L V8.
As big V8s go, they are impressive, 500bhp, 7500 rpm and no superchargers or turbos to worry about.  XFR's very nice too, the supercharged 5Litre is tuned for low end torque, but I'd be worried about reliability, especially transmission and electrics.

As nice as the C63, E63, ML63 etc.. With the M156 6.2 V8 N/A engines are they have been known to have their own problems. Not very common, Granted. But would always be at the back of my mind... I believe most but not all of the niggles where fixed from around 2012/2013>... Earlier cars from 2006-2012 that had the M156 6.2 V8 N/A engine fitted could have issues such as the head bolts snapping, lifter issues, cam shafts... etc..

No idea what the newer E63 with the 5.5 V8 Turbo are like for reliability. Maybe they would be the safer bet?

Only powerful Mercedes I’d consider would be one fitted with the what’s considered a pretty reliable engine. The M113 5.4 V8 N/A or M113K 5.4 V8 Supercharged... Although I believe these ended around 2006 for the E55 / CLS55.

Take these for example, Very nice car’s IMO.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201903226155313?atmobcid=soc4

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201903196043905?atmobcid=soc4

Speaking of the Mercedes CLS 500 here are a couple of images of mine. No supercharger, just the N/A 306 BHP 5 litre V8..... which is the runt of the litter.

It went well enough but was far from reliable and not particularly well put together.

Loved the double banana shape though. 

[SMD]

You have had some nice cars! Are you an aristocrat?

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

You have had some nice cars! Are you an aristocrat?

I'm a prole.

[JamesV6CDX]

When did we start buying £20,000 cars? I remember not many years ago , we were all sucking through our teeth at a £3,000 3.2 elite estate 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

When did we start buying £20,000 cars? I remember not many years ago , we were all sucking through our teeth at a £3,000 3.2 elite estate 

You will know better than I, James.........but didn't a new 3.2 Elite retail for around £33000 in 2003?

Did anybody actually pay this amount?

[Sir Tigger KC]

You have had some nice cars! Are you an aristocrat?

His nickname Lord Opti is a piss take. 

His proper nomenclature is His Gracious Excellency The Grand Duke Opti of Lincolnsire.   

[SMD]

You have had some nice cars! Are you an aristocrat?

His proper nomenclature is His Gracious Excellency The Grand Duke Opti of Lincolnsire.   

Thats what I thought 

James, the Omega was/is such a good car that the only thing that comes close is north of £20k 

[SMD]

You have had some nice cars! Are you an aristocrat?

I'm a prole.

With that estate and collection of cars? Very modest too 

[Marks DTM Calib]

Original waterpumps are known to be weak, and some of the belts are labour expensive at garage/dealer prices.  There is an intake pipe that also fails.  Uses the same crappy locking motors as my XJ (about £100 for part), and I think all the XFRs had keyless entry, so same crappy modules in the exterior door handles that fail (£70 for part).

Nope, they only one that uses that switch assembly is the XJ 

[TheBoy]

Original waterpumps are known to be weak, and some of the belts are labour expensive at garage/dealer prices.  There is an intake pipe that also fails.  Uses the same crappy locking motors as my XJ (about £100 for part), and I think all the XFRs had keyless entry, so same crappy modules in the exterior door handles that fail (£70 for part).

Nope, they only one that uses that switch assembly is the XJ 

I bet its the same shitty Continental part inside, just you have to replace the whole handle on an XF, rather than just the module?

[Marks DTM Calib]

Original waterpumps are known to be weak, and some of the belts are labour expensive at garage/dealer prices.  There is an intake pipe that also fails.  Uses the same crappy locking motors as my XJ (about £100 for part), and I think all the XFRs had keyless entry, so same crappy modules in the exterior door handles that fail (£70 for part).

Nope, they only one that uses that switch assembly is the XJ 

I bet its the same shitty Continental part inside, just you have to replace the whole handle on an XF, rather than just the module?

Nope, its a different supplier, might be Lear from memory

There are a few XJs in the  scrappy at the moment

[Doctor Gollum]

That doesn't bode well

[STEMO]

That doesn't bode well

If you crash any car properly, that's where it's gonna end up.

[Doctor Gollum]

That doesn't bode well

If you crash any car properly, that's where it's gonna end up.

I beg to differ. If you crash a car properly, it gets crushed because the safety elves have cut the roof off

[Marks DTM Calib]

That doesn't bode well

If you crash any car properly, that's where it's gonna end up.

And any car which was built prior to crash testing......so not necessarily damaged but, cant be sold (ex-engineering cars in this case).....

[Doctor Gollum]

Ah, the company scrap yard...

[2boxerdogs]

Ah, the company scrap yard...

.


Quite miss wandering around scrap yards , got a nice set of alloys off a Granda Ghia for my Granada LX years ago about 40 quid at the time, haven't set foot in one for about 23 years now.

[Viral_Jim]

That doesn't bode well

If you crash any car properly, that's where it's gonna end up.

And any car which was built prior to crash testing......so not necessarily damaged but, cant be sold (ex-engineering cars in this case).....

Talking of cars that can't be sold, does anyone know what the crack is with cars for sale that have to be exported? I've seen a few over the years, mostly JLR products and in odd specs that aren't sold in the UK.

They look like ex-mod or government vehicles of some kind, but I never understood how they came to be for sale here 

[Doctor Gollum]

The person/company that has the contract to dispose of them is based here, but because, AIUI, of the EU type approval, they cannot be registered within the EU.

And people wonder why we voted to leave

[Doctor Gollum]

That said, export them to the IOM/Channel Islands and register them there for a year, then reimport them and register them without issue. 

[Kevin Wood]

That said, export them to the IOM/Channel Islands and register them there for a year, then reimport them and register them without issue. 

Maybe. You'd probably still need an IVA, and they might ask questions about equivalent approvals that apply to the vehicle at that stage.

[Doctor Gollum]

I think the issue is more of a DVLA one, in so far as every vehicle built will have a C of C to suit the original market. Demonstrating conformity with a different market is probably a paperwork exercise

[Viral_Jim]

The person/company that has the contract to dispose of them is based here, but because, AIUI, of the EU type approval, they cannot be registered within the EU.

And people wonder why we voted to leave

Thanks for that. Much clearer now 

[TheBoy]

Original waterpumps are known to be weak, and some of the belts are labour expensive at garage/dealer prices.  There is an intake pipe that also fails.  Uses the same crappy locking motors as my XJ (about £100 for part), and I think all the XFRs had keyless entry, so same crappy modules in the exterior door handles that fail (£70 for part).

Nope, they only one that uses that switch assembly is the XJ 

I bet its the same shitty Continental part inside, just you have to replace the whole handle on an XF, rather than just the module?

Nope, its a different supplier, might be Lear from memory

There are a few XJs in the  scrappy at the moment

Best you get out there with a T20 screwdriver then.  Only 1 screw

And while there, look up the part number for the plastic grommet thing that covers the screwhole, buggered if I can locate it on my 2013 Russian EPC