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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: LC0112G on 31 January 2015, 20:51:50
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Story is, was sent to the Socialist Republic of Scotland this week for work. Snowed Wednesday night. Stopped at the local Maccy D's for brekkie at 9ish Thursday morning on the way into the work site. Whilst I'm in there, I see some 18 year old spotty youth in mummys BMW Mini hooning it out of the drive through lane with his bit of skirt in the passengers seat. A few minutes later once I've finished my low fat musely and cafeene free carrot juice ::) I return to the car, only to find said spotty youth and his tart standing next to my car, with a very sheepish look on his face.
So upshot is, seems he lost it on the snow/ice (out of my sight), and hit the NSR corner of my bumper hard enough to crack/tear it. I've looked in the boot, and there doesn't seem to be any rear quarter, or boot floor damage. I've got all the insurance details and I'm fully comp anyway, but I'm reluctant to do it through insurance. (Yes I know I have to 'inform' them regardless). He seemed apologetic enough, though whether mummy will be so understanding is unknown.
What's the going rate for a new/replacement rear bumper skin?
Cheers
Malcolm
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Got an estate one here,with tow-bar cut out, in white :y
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Damage will only be obvious once the bumper is removed, crash bar and mountings will have probably taken a kicking :-\
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Got an estate one here,with tow-bar cut out, in white :y
Facelift Elite Saloon, with tow bar, in a queer dark grey - can get the paint code if reqd.
I realise whatever I do it'll likely need repainting - should be seeing a 'man' on Wednesday at the ABS Bristol meet who I'm hoping will do the work.
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Damage will only be obvious once the bumper is removed, crash bar and mountings will have probably taken a kicking :-\
Maybe.
I'm hoping I've been lucky as my car was parked on snow/ice and the impact 'nudged' it less than a foot. Nothing in front of it to hit except a few flimsy bushes/flowers
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Bumper designed to flex upto walking pace, to hit it hard enough to crack it, expect damage :-\
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Bumper designed to flex upto walking pace, to hit it hard enough to crack it, expect damage :-\
It's more torn/ripped than cracked. Never had an Omega one apart, but have had my Carlton one replaced several times ::) I suspect the impact was right on the corner of the bumper, forcing the 'side' forward whilst the bumper mountings held the majority in place, and the bumper has ripped on the edge of the bumper carrier frame.
Will take some photos tomorrow.
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At least he hung around, a lot wouldn,t have. :o
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(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h12/LC0112G/IMG_0913.jpg)
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Be surprised if there`s much damage behind that
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Be surprised if there`s much damage, if any, behind that
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Could be plastic welded and local painting?
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Be surprised if there`s much damage behind that
Perhaps, but only one way to be sure... :y
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New Vx skin is £370+VAT, plus probably another £100 for paint and a couple of hours labour faffing about removing and re-fitting. Recon this is going to cost close to a grand to fix if done via insurance.
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Duct tape, seems to be very popular, especially on Ford Mundano,s :P
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Duct tape, seems to be very popular, especially on Ford Mundano,s :P
Yeah, but, not really my problem. Not sure why I should have to accept a 'bodge' repair when the accident wasn't my fault, and I have the other parties details. That said, I am willing to accept a good second hand bumper with a re-spray in the interests of keeping costs down. I'm hoping I can get the cost for that down to perhaps £250-£300 incl VAT, and then approach the other party directly. If they want to dick about then it'll have to be the insurance route. This happened in Scotland, and I'm not sure is the small claims courts work north of the border.
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No reaction to my plastic welding my friend had his Jag welded and painted on the back bumper and it looked very good. I will check what it cost.
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No reaction to my plastic welding my friend had his Jag welded and painted on the back bumper and it looked very good. I will check what it cost.
Needs to be professionally done otherwise it's a temporary fix at best imho :y
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Checked the price he paid for plastic welding and painting. Bumper off repair painting and refit £ 300.00 Probably better to find a scrappy one.
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Steve at Omega spare parts might have one in the correct colour :-\ Always worth a phone call :y
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Ok, bought this of the bay of e. ITEM : 301343276894
(http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/6/6/7/1/8/9/webimg/779689451_tp.jpg)
Had it delivered direct to the Welsh Taffia for painting. Went up there today to fit it - and - cock. It's different. However, I'm struggling to work out what it's off.
It's obviously not a pre facelift bumper. It does basically fit, and we probably could have bodged it. However, the hole for the rear towing eye is in the wrong location. The bumper can't be fitted to the bumper carrier with the big foam bumper backing. This new bumper doesn't 'go under' the boot floor, so there is no way to fit the two spreader clamp fittings underneath. And its not as tall in the wheel arch so the sh1t shields are miles too long to get the bottom fixing screws in.
I can't see a part number on the new bumper, but it does have a moulding date-mark of 1999. Anyone got any ideas what the foxtrot this is off?
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It's obviously not a pre facelift bumper. ....... However, the hole for the rear towing eye is in the wrong location. .....
pre facelift don't have a hole for a screw in towing eye, the towing attachment is under the rear offside isn't it ..... ala a Senator :-\ :-\
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It's obviously not a pre facelift bumper. ....... However, the hole for the rear towing eye is in the wrong location. .....
pre facelift don't have a hole for a screw in towing eye, the towing attachment is under the rear offside isn't it ..... ala a Senator :-\ :-\
Yes. The other difference is that there isn't a "scallop" in the upper (flat) surface where the boot lid shuts on the new bumper. It's a completely flat top surface.
I've been doing a lot of looking at cars on autotrader/ebay, and I think it may be for a very late (2004) Omega? My EPC doesn't go that late, so I was unaware there was a change.
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Might be a shit pattern part... All facelift Omega saloons use the same bumper unless Irmscher... Money back time and buy it from a proper person...
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Look at the horizontal crease/'feature line' that on a PFL would have a chrome strip on. Whereas on a facelift it's a sort of 'V' notch, on the Irmscher ones it's more of a square valley. It's hard to explain it very well. Also this crease/valley stops just short of the arch by half an inch or so, on a facelift this valley cuts right up to the edge of the bumper.
Decent example of the differences here:
http://oldsite.omegaowners.com//forum/YaBB.pl?num=1225636142 (http://oldsite.omegaowners.com//forum/YaBB.pl?num=1225636142)
and the crucial images...
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/vxl_v6/f7e9_4.jpg)
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(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/vxl_v6/BT03JKN1.jpg)
So in my humble, I think what you've bought is a prefacelift Irmscher bumper. If this is the case, well done! You should be able to sell that for more than a 'mere' FL bumper should cost you.
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Diamond Black Geezer,
It certainly looks like the bumper in the R422HPT photo - you can see the round towing eye cover on the lower lip of the bumper. I think my confusion may revolve around these pre-facelifts - were these available with body coloured bumpers - a mini-facelift? I thought they all had black tops, certainly all 3 pre facelift Elites I've owned have.
The body shop man said he thought the fit was too good for it to be a pattern part and reckoned it is genuine Vx. We did consider Irmisher, but apparently these usually have Irmisher moulded into them somewhere, and we couldn't see any identity markings other than the date code.
Ho Hum.
Malcolm
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The Irmscher panels were were the only ones to carry full colour-coding - which sort of introduced the idea on Vauxhalls of full colour-coding, which would appear as of Vectra B facelift etc.. (if we ignore stuff like the Manta in the 80s, which pre-dates everything ::) )
I would imagine that there would be Irmscher stamped on there somewhere. Unless you've simply missed it sounds like you're given it a good going over, though) or for whatever reason, it's not actually marked. All Omegas are made by Recaro, but you try and find it written on there anywhere visible.
The normal PFL bumper is is several sections, the two main ones being the painted element in the middle and the large black textured part which this clips onto. Together it appears as one single component with bare black plastic top and bottom.
The only other option is a copied part, so someone's taken a mould off in Poland or wherever and made an Irmscher copy. It does happen, but you've already said the fit/finish is very good, so unlikely.
I say Irmscher! :y
PS - what's the date code, please?
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Look at the horizontal crease/'feature line' that on a PFL would have a chrome strip on. Whereas on a facelift it's a sort of 'V' notch, on the Irmscher ones it's more of a square valley. It's hard to explain it very well. Also this crease/valley stops just short of the arch by half an inch or so, on a facelift this valley cuts right up to the edge of the bumper.
Decent example of the differences here:
http://oldsite.omegaowners.com//forum/YaBB.pl?num=1225636142 (http://oldsite.omegaowners.com//forum/YaBB.pl?num=1225636142)
and the crucial images...
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/vxl_v6/f7e9_4.jpg)
vs
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/vxl_v6/BT03JKN1.jpg)
So in my humble, I think what you've bought is a prefacelift Irmscher bumper. If this is the case, well done! You should be able to sell that for more than a 'mere' FL bumper should cost you.
I have my uses!
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.... - were these available with body coloured bumpers - a mini-facelift? I thought they all had black tops, certainly all 3 pre facelift Elites I've owned have. ....
You're right. It should just be the middle bit that's body coloured .... both top & bottom were black plastic with a 'textured' finish
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Mystery solved. A closer look in daylight and out of yesterday's pouring rain reveals the Irmisher logo under the paint in the O/S wheel arch.
So I'm now the proud owner of a highly sought after and very valuable pre facelift Irmisher rear bumper ;D, which doesn't fit my car :-\
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If you fit a prefacelift crashbar then the bumper should fit :y
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If you fit a prefacelift crashbar then the bumper should fit :y
And Sh1t Shields.
But I'm still confused about the tow bar hole. The pre-facelift bumper hole doesn't line up with the post facelift towbar anchor point. Now I don't intend using it, and I've got a proper tow bar fitted anyway, but is there really a difference between pre and post face lift chassis tow bar points? Or did Irmisher stuff up where they put the hole?
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Either is possible :-\
Is the towbar point part of the shell or the crash bar? Pre and post facelift shells are almost identical except for rear quarters/boot lid/bonnet plus a few detailed differences... possible that this is one of the detail items :-\
And before Beanz sounds the klaxon of pedantry, bumpers are technically trim.
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And before Beanz sounds the klaxon of pedantry, bumpers are technically trim.
I know! ::)
No idea about the towing point. ISTR that the prefacelift's was just a bracket welded somewhere ...... no idea now where though
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Mystery solved. A closer look in daylight and out of yesterday's pouring rain reveals the Irmisher logo under the paint in the O/S wheel arch.
So I'm now the proud owner of a highly sought after and very valuable pre facelift Irmisher rear bumper ;D, which doesn't fit my car :-\
You're welcome :y
I'd imagine someone on here would be interested?? Is it just any decent rear FL bumper you're after, or trying to get one the same colour that's proving the issue?
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Is the towbar point part of the shell or the crash bar? Pre and post facelift shells are almost identical except for rear quarters/boot lid/bonnet plus a few detailed differences... possible that this is one of the detail items :-\
It's a threaded tube welded to the rear chassis rails on the post facelift. I never had any of my pre facelifts apart. On a Carlton/Senny its a large hoop welded to the rear chassis rail.
And before Beanz sounds the klaxon of pedantry, bumpers are technically trim.
So where are Sh1t Shields in EPC? Stuffed if I can find them. I'm not intending to buy them from Vx, but I'd like to know how many possible combinations of wrong items there are before I head off down any scrapyards.
Seems like my choices are to find a new back bumper bracket and sh1t shields and fit the Irmisher, or find a proper post facelift bumper and get it sprayed.
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Is the towbar point part of the shell or the crash bar? Pre and post facelift shells are almost identical except for rear quarters/boot lid/bonnet plus a few detailed differences... possible that this is one of the detail items :-\
It's a threaded tube welded to the rear chassis rails on the post facelift. I never had any of my pre facelifts apart. On a Carlton/Senny its a large hoop welded to the rear chassis rail.
And before Beanz sounds the klaxon of pedantry, bumpers are technically trim.
So where are Sh1t Shields in EPC? Stuffed if I can find them. I'm not intending to buy them from Vx, but I'd like to know how many possible combinations of wrong items there are before I head off down any scrapyards.
Seems like my choices are to find a new back bumper bracket and sh1t shields and fit the Irmisher, or find a proper post facelift bumper and get it sprayed.
That be easiest :y Did Steve not have one in the correct colour?
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Mystery solved. A closer look in daylight and out of yesterday's pouring rain reveals the Irmisher logo under the paint in the O/S wheel arch.
So I'm now the proud owner of a highly sought after and very valuable pre facelift Irmisher rear bumper ;D, which doesn't fit my car :-\
You're welcome :y
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Is it just any decent rear FL bumper you're after, or trying to get one the same colour that's proving the issue?
There isn't any 'issue' really, and I haven't tried very hard to find anything. Saw and bought a 'cheap' bumper off eBay, and agreed a price with my trusted paint monkey to re-spray it. Incorrectly assumed the cheap bumper was a facelift coz it was all body colour. Went to fit it, and nope.
I'm just trying to work out what to do next.
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Ahh I see - you've got it sprayed already, sorry I missed that bit ::)
Well, on the one hand it's one of them lessons about 'measure twice cut one' thing - but then again who'd have thought it would turn out to be an Irmscher bumper? Finding something that rare isn't an every day occurrence, so I don't think anyone can really criticise you for mistaking it for a FL unit. Easy done. :y
I suppose the option of selling it on is out, given the cost a the spray job. Depends how you think it sits on the car, really. It's a slightly different profile, really designed to blend with the PFL side strips, not the FL. But also bear in mind that darker colours visually hide shape. It's why so many publicity shots of the Porsche Cayenne are in dark colours - in order to disguise the shape of the godawful pig as much as possible. So if you fit it, it could easy be that aside from yourself, no-one would even be able to tell the difference, even after pointing it out.
It's literally a case of weighing in your mind/bank balance how much it would aggravate you with the 'wrong' bumper vs the 'right' bumper, but being down another £xxx s
Just don't lose sleep over it :)