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[24_Valve]

Want to replace all four tyres & guess that I can't be the only one that doesn't want to spend £400+ on new tyres? At the same time my mig is 1.7 tonne (CD estate with A/C) and I drive it hard. Not sure which is the best trade off (fuel economy, handling, road noise etc.) between the cheaper options. Better to get brand new Budgets or part worn top range etc. any suggestions 

[davethediver]

Budget or part worn ok, but remould never if you value your life

[johny5]

Didnt think they did remoulds anymore? usually when my tyres need replacing i just find another set of alloys with good tyres, much cheaper!

[Mr Skrunts]

What value do you put your life at.

Big heavy car and you drive it hard, you do the sums.

Saying that, I got offered 225/55/16's for the Elite today at £49.50

Cant remeber thier name but started something like Air?

[24_Valve]

1000's of remoulds still sold but simply re-branded as "green, environmental, recycled tyres" they even have the little recycled triangular arrow logo on them.. I've heard horror stories about earlier remoulds but these days they all seem to be H speed rated and not much talk about them, that I know of. But was inclined to avoid them anyway  :-/

[24_Valve]

What value do you put your life at.

Big heavy car and you drive it hard, you do the sums.

would never trade off safety against cost. thats why I was keen to know the best alternatives to my current V rated continentals.. e.g. budgets won't have hidden damage but maybe more road noise etc. part worns maybe better handling, tread patterns but possible flaws etc.. Just thought other members may have had the same dilema & the benefit of experience

[Bionic]

Its your choice but you can pick up a Michelin Pilot Primacy 225/55/16 - W95 rated for 30-35 quid each fitted. They tend to have around 5-6mm tread minimum. I have used them for years without any problems at all. They tend to last up to 3 years and I do an awful lot of miles. over 163K and still going strong! Long live the MIG 

Stay away from unknown brands and definitely do NOT use remoulds.
 

[feeutfo]

part worns, taxi drivers use them, unmatched sets shipped over from Germany. Top end tyres mosty too.

[Dishevelled Den]

A few years ago I was driving (officially) at an indicated 115 mph when the rear off-side tyre 'went'.

Control of the car wasn't immediately affected but the almighty thump alerted me in sufficient time to ease off and get over onto the shoulder.

A sizeable lump of tread had lifted from the surface of the tyre exposing the canvas belt.  This failure followed the radial pattern of the tread, had it been over the cross-section of the tyre the outcome may well have been different.

Since that experience I've only put new tyres onto my (own) car/s as there are few second chances to be had.

In the realistic world of motoring costs many will have other solutions to keep themselves on the road, however I would suggest that you buy a new tyre that suits your budget. (Of either the ‘budget', middle of the road or premium variety).

The tyre concerned was an Avon (can't remember the flavour) and the car was a BMW. 

[JasonH]

Ask a taxi driver where he/she gets their tyres from. I did and found a place in Bristol (where I live) that sells tyres (fitted) for around half the price of KwikFit.

Their budget 225/55R16 (W or V rated) are £35 each + VAT + balance + disposal of old tyre = £48 all in

However some budget tyres are rubbish and some are really good. I find their "Wanli" or "Sunny" poor on grip and very noisy, however their "Accelera" tyres are superb for grip, low noise and wear.

[Elite Pete]

If it was for my car I would buy new. You can get a full set of new tyres off Ebay for £190ish delivered

[mathewst]

Personally I would avoid remoulded tyres at all cost, and budget tyres if possible (especially in UK).
Get a set of premium tyres slightly worn if you don't have the money for completely new set.
Tyres are the most important safety factor in the car (not brakes or abs or airbags etc).

[2woody]

i've just got a set of 235's for less than £135

[TheBoy]

Many tyre places won't fit part worns.

Not sure part worns are cost effective anyway - you're paying 1/2 to 2/3rd of new price for often 1/3-1/2 of the remaining life (without knowing of any internal damage they have)

I occasionally drive relatively hard, thus demand grip over durability. Hence I tend to stick a new premium tyre on each corner when the time comes, and get the full life out of them.

[TheBoy]

i've just got a set of 235's for less than £135

Where/What/How?

[steve_daly]

I have three Wanli's on mine and one Prestivo Sport and the road noise is terrible.

Certainly wont be looking at either of those makes when I come to renew my boots.

[smithpa7]

I have always used Michelin Primacy tyres and have been very impressed with them. Due to budget restraints I listened to my brother and I fitted Maxxis tyres on mine, 234/45 17's for £75 per corner. I am really impressed. Low noise, good grip in the wet or dry. After 5k miles they don't appear to have worn at all.

[TheBoy]

I have always used Michelin Primacy tyres and have been very impressed with them. Due to budget restraints I listened to my brother and I fitted Maxxis tyres on mine, 234/45 17's for £75 per corner. I am really impressed. Low noise, good grip in the wet or dry. After 5k miles they don't appear to have worn at all.

I think anything (bar the real ditchfinders) will be impressive compared to worn Michelin Primacys.

I'm really not a fan of the modern Michelins. Have the Pilot Sports on my Elite, fortunately, the wear rate due to poor grip should finish them off soon

[Liam]

Many tyre places won't fit part worns.

Not sure part worns are cost effective anyway - you're paying 1/2 to 2/3rd of new price for often 1/3-1/2 of the remaining life (without knowing of any internal damage they have)

Part worns i get are more like 1/3 of new price for 1/2 to 2/3 tread left. Usually continental, michelin or dunlop. Never let me down.

[mathewst]

Here I get part worns for 1/5 of the price of new ones. I only tried them once and so far it was ok.
Would always put brand new premium but here they are extremly expensive (prices can reach as far as 180 pound per tyre for 225 16).
As for brand I had michelins and hancooks both on mig and are not satisfied with either of them.
My father has continentals on his skoda and they are quite good.
The best tyres I've tried were goodyear ones on my former Delta

[feeutfo]

i've just got a set of 235's for less than £135

Where/What/How?

Part worn?

Personally, I would fit top brand part worns over budget brands all day long, ESP having first hand experience of linglongs in the wet, impressive grip in the dry made the wet grip even more shockingly terribly appalling. Take a well known corner in the dry, next day it rains so knock off a reasonable level of speed to account fit it and whoosh your sliding across the road, and don't dare have to emergency stop in the wet.

[Lazydocker]

The only "Budget" brand I have found acceptable so far is Accellera Alpha's. I'm on my second complete set and they are pretty good... Only let go a couple of times and both were just after it had rained after a long dry period

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Last time I had remoulds was in 1970 on my Austin A40 which did no more than 45mph!

Would never fit them now on any car, and indeed would always opt for quality brand new tyres. 

An Omega (V6) is a 2 ton car that can be wound up to very high speeds and I would never risk my passengers, and third party, lives by false economy .

To be honest if you cannot afford to put good tyres on an Omega then you should not own one!

[mathewst]

Lizzie if someone wants 160 to 180 pounds for a new tyre then I'm not prepaired to pay it.
I'd rather buy a part worn, and throw it away after couple of months and do it seven times cause part worn will cost around 25 pounds here.
I agree that I would be safer if new ones were bought, but after 1 or 1.5 years there would be no difference.
After two years I would be safer probably in a part worn tyre just bought cause they would probably be in a better condition than the ones bought new and used for 2 years on the mig.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Lizzie if someone wants 160 to 180 pounds for a new tyre then I'm not prepaired to pay it.
I'd rather buy a part worn, and throw it away after couple of months and do it seven times cause part worn will cost around 25 pounds here.
I agree that I would be safer if new ones were bought, but after 1 or 1.5 years there would be no difference.
After two years I would be safer probably in a part worn tyre just bought cause they would probably be in a better condition than the ones bought new and used for 2 years on the mig.

I am not talking of "£160-180" for a tyre   Just £75 - £80 per tyre will give you quality and performance

[Michael Bairstow]

I've just had 4 new tyres fitted for £217.00 all in.
try Event Mobile Tyres they come to your house or work place very good service

[aaronjb]

I am not talking of "£160-180" for a tyre   Just £75 - £80 per tyre will give you quality and performance

I'm guessing tyres are a little more expensive in Croatia than the UK

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I am not talking of "£160-180" for a tyre   Just £75 - £80 per tyre will give you quality and performance

I'm guessing tyres are a little more expensive in Croatia than the UK

Ahhhhh!   Good point, I was thinking of course in UK terms, not of Eastern Europe!   Tis a little different there I understand

[SMD]

I was in the same situation, choices were budget new or part worn. In the end I went with a lower midrange tyre which received pretty good user reviews in all weather conditions.

[jereboam]

I only put new premium brand tyres (usually Pirelli) on my cars, but next time round, as I'm skint, I may have to look for an alternative.

Years ago, when I was much younger and skint, there used to be retreads and remoulds.  Remoulds were OK and cheaper than new.  Retreads had a poor reputation and were to be avoided.  And as far as I recall, it was illegal to sell part-worn tyres at all, which isn't to say that they weren't readily available. 

[feeutfo]

I am not talking of "£160-180" for a tyre   Just £75 - £80 per tyre will give you quality and performance

I'm guessing tyres are a little more expensive in Croatia than the UK

Ahhhhh!   Good point, I was thinking of course in UK terms, not of Eastern Europe!   Tis a little different there I understand

pmsl
need some better shoes on that high hoarse MizzZoom, those cheapos arent stoppimg you quick enough are they.
 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I am not talking of "£160-180" for a tyre   Just £75 - £80 per tyre will give you quality and performance

I'm guessing tyres are a little more expensive in Croatia than the UK

Ahhhhh!   Good point, I was thinking of course in UK terms, not of Eastern Europe!   Tis a little different there I understand

pmsl
need some better shoes on that high hoarse MizzZoom, those cheapos arent stoppimg you quick enough are they.
 

No Chris, I still hold with my views on good quality tyres for our beastie migs

[Mr Skrunts]

The only "Budget" brand I have found acceptable so far is Accellera Alpha's. I'm on my second complete set and they are pretty good... Only let go a couple of times and both were just after it had rained after a long dry period

They might be what I was quoted on yesterday.

£49.50 a wheel  225/55/16

[24_Valve]

Posted by: Lizzie Zoom Posted on: Yesterday at 14:06 To be honest if you cannot afford to put good tyres on an Omega then you should not own one!   

Bought the mig while I still had a job! 13 years Paramedic and now medical retirement because of disability... May have lost my career but don't want to lose the mig... so just looking for tips. Was never talking about comprimising safety, just staying safe whilst avoiding brand new premium tyres that are over my budget... Your comment is a bit like saying - you shouldn't own a house if you can't afford new roof tiles? nouveau riche

[feeutfo]

Posted by: Lizzie Zoom Posted on: Yesterday at 14:06 To be honest if you cannot afford to put good tyres on an Omega then you should not own one!   

Bought the mig while I still had a job! 13 years Paramedic and now medical retirement because of disability... May have lost my career but don't want to lose the mig... so just looking for tips. Was never talking about comprimising safety, just staying safe whilst avoiding brand new premium tyres that are over my budget... Your comment is a bit like saying - you shouldn't own a house if you can't afford new roof tiles? nouveau riche

Sadly miss Zoom has lost her helpful streak of late, hopefully she'll be fixed soon. 

[24_Valve]

I'm now eager to know what spec tyres Lizzie has fitted to her elite & why it weighs 2 tonnes! My mig has V rated premium continentals all round, bought new. It's only that my MOT is due soon & my missus (copper) reckon's the shoulder wear is a bit near the mark 

[24_Valve]

Going with gixer on this one - gonna buy premium part worns  8-) can't afford new premiums or mid range, won't risk remoulds, unsure about using budgets in the wet  thanks for all the info, I now know which budgets are ok-ish if I ever need 'em 

[feeutfo]

I'm now eager to know what spec tyres Lizzie has fitted to her elite & why it weighs 2 tonnes! My mig has V rated premium continentals all round, bought new. It's only that my MOT is due soon & my missus (copper) reckon's the shoulder wear is a bit near the mark 

That need setting correctly first, tell us more, inside or outside edge? How much tread left in the middle?

[24_Valve]

inside shoulder wear mostly on front tyres ?1.6mm (also the rear but not so bad) all four have about 4mm in the middle. Just had new front wishbones fitted but guess its more likely to be camber from reading previous posts...

[feeutfo]

inside shoulder wear mostly on front tyres ?1.6mm (also the rear but not so bad) all four have about 4mm in the middle. Just had new front wishbones fitted but guess its more likely to be camber from reading previous posts...

Ah good sounds like it's in hand. 

[24_Valve]

cheers 

[Lazydocker]

The only "Budget" brand I have found acceptable so far is Accellera Alpha's. I'm on my second complete set and they are pretty good... Only let go a couple of times and both were just after it had rained after a long dry period

They might be what I was quoted on yesterday.

£49.50 a wheel  225/55/16

Price sounds about right. As I said, these are acceptable to me as they're still grippy enough in all conditions except very greasy roads. Of course... They will let go if provoked but generally OK

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Posted by: Lizzie Zoom Posted on: Yesterday at 14:06 To be honest if you cannot afford to put good tyres on an Omega then you should not own one!   

Bought the mig while I still had a job! 13 years Paramedic and now medical retirement because of disability... May have lost my career but don't want to lose the mig... so just looking for tips. Was never talking about comprimising safety, just staying safe whilst avoiding brand new premium tyres that are over my budget... Your comment is a bit like saying - you shouldn't own a house if you can't afford new roof tiles? nouveau riche

Sadly miss Zoom has lost her helpful streak of late, hopefully she'll be fixed soon. 

??

So once again Chris I have stated my opinion, you do not like it, so you go on and make personal derogatory comments!

The title of this thread is "Budget, Remould or Part Worn tyres?"  I have made it clear that as far as I am concerned that is bad practice and with a high powered Omega, when fully loaded with passengers, fuel, etc, it requires good quality tyres (Michelin, Goodyear, Pirelli, Avon, etc) fitted as new.

If you had seen the accidents I have due to tyre failure you would not argue.  With tyres you only have a small imprint connecting with the road; when wet, icy, or even in dry conditions, you need that tyre to be the best you can afford, as with your brakes!  To fit remoulds, part worn (no history) or even many budget tyres is in my opinion not good.

I personnaly have always put my money were my mouth is, and only last year I had a brand new Wanlee (£60) tyre fitted.  Within a week I scrapped it, and had all my tyres (inherited Wanlee's) replaced with Avon's (£396) after Cem
highlighted for me the very poor record of reliability of Wanlee's.

On this site we all express personal opinions in good faith, which are either accepted or not - fair enough -  but I repeat my earlier statements that there is some on the OOF who do not like that, then engage in personal insult. This we can all do without. 

I know members who have contacted me about this very problem and they feel that they cannot contribute due to a fear of what will be said to them! Enough!

 

[TheBoy]

Many tyre places won't fit part worns.

Not sure part worns are cost effective anyway - you're paying 1/2 to 2/3rd of new price for often 1/3-1/2 of the remaining life (without knowing of any internal damage they have)

Part worns i get are more like 1/3 of new price for 1/2 to 2/3 tread left. Usually continental, michelin or dunlop. Never let me down.

So 7-8mm left?

9mm new
3mm knackered, need replacement

Do half worn by maths is 6mm.

However, the 1st mm seems to last and awful lot longer than the next, which lasts longer than the next. Not sure why this is, but certainly is the case for me...

So I'd be looking at 7mm being half worn

[TheBoy]

Posted by: Lizzie Zoom Posted on: Yesterday at 14:06 To be honest if you cannot afford to put good tyres on an Omega then you should not own one!   

Bought the mig while I still had a job! 13 years Paramedic and now medical retirement because of disability... May have lost my career but don't want to lose the mig... so just looking for tips. Was never talking about comprimising safety, just staying safe whilst avoiding brand new premium tyres that are over my budget... Your comment is a bit like saying - you shouldn't own a house if you can't afford new roof tiles? nouveau riche

Sadly miss Zoom has lost her helpful streak of late, hopefully she'll be fixed soon. 

All members are entitled to their opinion, and Lizzie Zoom has stated hers, and we have all stated ours.

OK, maybe her wording of not being able to afford premiums and should lose the car may have come across as a bit elitist, I'm sure that was not the intention.


All tyres have their place (except remoulds!), though I probably wouldn't pay money for part worns (due to the unknowns). That said, I'm driving a car with tyres that were already on it, who knows what damage they have sustained. Fortunately, being Michelin, they probably will be chewed up soon


But any choice of tyre is a personal thing, to say anyone is unhelpful due to replying to a post on the subject stating their opinion is probably more unproductive.

[TheBoy]

Posted by: Lizzie Zoom Posted on: Yesterday at 14:06 To be honest if you cannot afford to put good tyres on an Omega then you should not own one!   

Bought the mig while I still had a job! 13 years Paramedic and now medical retirement because of disability... May have lost my career but don't want to lose the mig... so just looking for tips. Was never talking about comprimising safety, just staying safe whilst avoiding brand new premium tyres that are over my budget... Your comment is a bit like saying - you shouldn't own a house if you can't afford new roof tiles? nouveau riche

Sadly miss Zoom has lost her helpful streak of late, hopefully she'll be fixed soon. 

??

So once again Chris I have stated my opinion, you do not like it, so you go on and make personal derogatory comments!

The title of this thread is "Budget, Remould or Part Worn tyres?"  I have made it clear that as far as I am concerned that is bad practice and with a high powered Omega, when fully loaded with passengers, fuel, etc, it requires good quality tyres (Michelin, Goodyear, Pirelli, Avon, etc) fitted as new.

If you had seen the accidents I have due to tyre failure you would not argue.  With tyres you only have a small imprint connecting with the road; when wet, icy, or even in dry conditions, you need that tyre to be the best you can afford, as with your brakes!  To fit remoulds, part worn (no history) or even many budget tyres is in my opinion not good.

I personnaly have always put my money were my mouth is, and only last year I had a brand new Wanlee (£60) tyre fitted.  Within a week I scrapped it, and had all my tyres (inherited Wanlee's) replaced with Avon's (£396) after Cem
highlighted for me the very poor record of reliability of Wanlee's.

On this site we all express personal opinions in good faith, which are either accepted or not - fair enough -  but I repeat my earlier statements that there is some on the OOF who do not like that, then engage in personal insult. This we can all do without. 

I know members who have contacted me about this very problem and they feel that they cannot contribute due to a fear of what will be said to them! Enough!

Takes 2 to argue, and on hindsight, maybe your original post could have been better worded, as I'm sure the way it came across wasn't the way you intended it to.

[TheBoy]

Here I get part worns for 1/5 of the price of new ones. I only tried them once and so far it was ok.
Would always put brand new premium but here they are extremly expensive (prices can reach as far as 180 pound per tyre for 225 16).
As for brand I had michelins and hancooks both on mig and are not satisfied with either of them.
My father has continentals on his skoda and they are quite good.
The best tyres I've tried were goodyear ones on my former Delta

In the UK, we get stunk for 'disposal tax' on the old tyre, so regularly changing tyres has to be accounted for when working out prices

Tyres have gone up recently, due to price of raw materials doubling.  This also means that tyre manufacturers aren't making so many (don't want expensively produced tyres laying around waiting to be sold), so 'difficult' sizes, such as prefacelift elites, have got expensive

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Posted by: Lizzie Zoom Posted on: Yesterday at 14:06 To be honest if you cannot afford to put good tyres on an Omega then you should not own one!   

Bought the mig while I still had a job! 13 years Paramedic and now medical retirement because of disability... May have lost my career but don't want to lose the mig... so just looking for tips. Was never talking about comprimising safety, just staying safe whilst avoiding brand new premium tyres that are over my budget... Your comment is a bit like saying - you shouldn't own a house if you can't afford new roof tiles? nouveau riche

Sadly miss Zoom has lost her helpful streak of late, hopefully she'll be fixed soon. 

All members are entitled to their opinion, and Lizzie Zoom has stated hers, and we have all stated ours.

OK, maybe her wording of not being able to afford premiums and should lose the car may have come across as a bit elitist, I'm sure that was not the intention.


All tyres have their place (except remoulds!), though I probably wouldn't pay money for part worns (due to the unknowns). That said, I'm driving a car with tyres that were already on it, who knows what damage they have sustained. Fortunately, being Michelin, they probably will be chewed up soon


But any choice of tyre is a personal thing, to say anyone is unhelpful due to replying to a post on the subject stating their opinion is probably more unproductive.

Thanks TB!   No I wasn't meaning to be elitist; I was just really stating that safety comes before pride, and if you cannot uphold safety when running any machine then perhaps anyone, including me, should think twice.   In truth any Omega costs more money to run at a safe standard - that is why we have the MOT - than my old A40. Once I was able to afford to run a bigger car, with bigger bills to meet safety standards, I did:D

[24_Valve]

Got it sorted - 4x Partworns, fitted+valve+balance. Total=£50 cash. Goodyear Eagle NCT5 - Speed Rating 94v - 7mm tread all the way... No lumps, bumps or cupping.  The way I see it is like this; when you buy a used car, even with FSH you won't know the tyre history, so it's no different