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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: addy on 12 January 2019, 18:28:36

Title: Headlight Query
Post by: addy on 12 January 2019, 18:28:36
I have been having problems with the drivers side dip beam, so decided to check it today. The circled one is what the query is about. Is this the correct one for Halogen, how does the H1 bulb fit and stay in if it is, I have a black ring but the bulb doesn't fit it falls straight through, so rigged up somehing to hold the bulb in it. There is a brown and yellow cable with spade connectors on. Brown for earth yellow live but nothing to fit the earth to, so had to make a patch cable up. The person who owned it before me did the bodge, The headlight switch has headlight height adjustment, not like the one I had on my old 2003 cdx which were self levelling. The previous owner had fitted a H1 Bulb into it I just tidied it up.

It is a 2002 CD
Thanks for any help.

(https://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/Remingtonarmy/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 January 2019, 18:35:55
Label on top of the unit will tell you  :y

Looks like a xenon unit... Suspect that the label says D2S on it... Black ring locks the xenon bulb in place.

As it sits, not suitable for a CD spec car...
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: addy on 12 January 2019, 18:52:49
Thanks Dr Gollum for the reply. No labels on it. So would a CD just be Halogen? The beam pattern seems ok as it passed MOT, just it doesn't look bright on that side. Looks like I need a Halogen Drivers side unit :'(
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: TheBoy on 12 January 2019, 19:33:05
Is there a red seal there, and also 3 torx screws to get the cover off?  If so, your unit in HID, not Halogen.

With HID, you will have a thick black cable that has a bayonet fitting to bulb, other end goes to a metal ballast pack about the size of 2 fag packets - these gives the high voltage needed to strike the arc, and keep it burning. And will properly hurt if you touch it with it on.


HIDs were never an option on CDs, but some morons retrofitted them to their cars.
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: addy on 12 January 2019, 19:51:00
TheBoy there is no seals, the red circle is done by me.  The unit is exactly the same as the photo, but has two wires going to it they are yellow and brown.  Have looked on ebay, and the same unit is being sold as Halogen, so I wander if a previous owner bought the unit thinking it was Halogen to replace the damaged drivers side one, then bodged it to make it work?

This what I mean, this is being sold as halogen
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-Opel-Omega-Right-Drivers-Side-Headlight-Halogen-1994-1999-/312418287612?hash=item48bd94bffc
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: biggriffin on 12 January 2019, 20:07:43
That's a STD headlight,, look closer,. No igniter box, and the hole will take a H bulb. There should be a metal clip attached to the back of the bezel, that hooks into the bottom of the bezel. The clip is missing.
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 January 2019, 21:58:04
That's a STD headlight,, look closer,. No igniter box, and the hole will take a H bulb. There should be a metal clip attached to the back of the bezel, that hooks into the bottom of the bezel. The clip is missing.
It also has the screw hole for the covers and slots for the box... Also wiring connection is missing two pins ;)
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: biggriffin on 12 January 2019, 22:10:16
That's a STD headlight,, look closer,. No igniter box, and the hole will take a H bulb. There should be a metal clip attached to the back of the bezel, that hooks into the bottom of the bezel. The clip is missing.
It also has the screw hole for the covers and slots for the box... Also wiring connection is missing two pins ;)

All genuine Hella lamps for omega use the same case, I've changed a STD halogen to a hid, by putting Hid reflector in,
All parts are interchangeable. Got another one to do, but that's just a straight swap over and fit ally adjuster.

Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: cam.in.head on 13 January 2019, 11:23:44
That picture is of a standard headlight.projector type as should be fitted to most cd models. From the ebay advert.
Can you put a picture of your actual headlamp so we can see what’s missing .if yours hasn’t got the correct aperture for the bulb then it may be a hid headlamp that’s been fitted by mistake.
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: YZ250 on 13 January 2019, 14:36:22
In the photo the moulding stamp is pointing at 08-442-1115R, does that tell us anything.  :-\
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 January 2019, 15:35:24
That picture is of a standard headlight.projector type as should be fitted to most cd models. From the ebay advert.
Can you put a picture of your actual headlamp so we can see what’s missing .if yours hasn’t got the correct aperture for the bulb then it may be a hid headlamp that’s been fitted by mistake.
Advert example is misleading... It shows a facelift lamp but describes it as 1994-1998 ::)

From the number above...

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/abakus/8356453

Pattern shite...

Genuine ones are labeled with all the relevant bulbs.

And the real McCoy...

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/hella/930262 :y
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: cam.in.head on 13 January 2019, 15:49:05
Yes but do we have a picture of mr addys headlamp to see what he's missing
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 January 2019, 16:01:34
Yes but do we have a picture of mr addys headlamp to see what he's missing
I had originally presumed that it was the one shown, (which is also incomplete), but looking at the ebay link, it clearly is the same unit.
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 January 2019, 16:10:49
https://photos.app.goo.gl/4w1XaVgkApVhtZa1A

As it says on the tin... 2002 halogen hid (non xenon).

Can't be any clearer :y
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 January 2019, 16:14:19
Main beam is H7 with two wire plug.
Dipped beam is H1 with single wire plug and spade terminal to reflector lens.  ;)

If yours looks anything like the ebay link, then it's wrong.
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: dave the builder on 13 January 2019, 16:22:15
non HID driver side clicky  (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OPEL-OMEGA-1994-1998-RIGHT-DRIVERS-SIDE-HEADLIGHT/132897459502?hash=item1ef14e4d2e%3Ag%3A~mYAAOSwJiRb0DBs&LH_ItemCondition=4)
pic shows the H1 holder
its got a rounded corner on the lens ,so mini facelift  :-\
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 January 2019, 16:30:00
non HID driver side clicky  (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OPEL-OMEGA-1994-1998-RIGHT-DRIVERS-SIDE-HEADLIGHT/132897459502?hash=item1ef14e4d2e%3Ag%3A~mYAAOSwJiRb0DBs&LH_ItemCondition=4)
pic shows the H1 holder
its got a rounded corner on the lens ,so mini facelift  :-\
Did my last link work? If yes, it's exactly what Addys left the factory with :y
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: dave the builder on 13 January 2019, 16:47:05
non HID driver side clicky  (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OPEL-OMEGA-1994-1998-RIGHT-DRIVERS-SIDE-HEADLIGHT/132897459502?hash=item1ef14e4d2e%3Ag%3A~mYAAOSwJiRb0DBs&LH_ItemCondition=4)
pic shows the H1 holder
its got a rounded corner on the lens ,so mini facelift  :-\
Did my last link work? If yes, it's exactly what Addys left the factory with :y
yes DG , your pic worked  :y
I was trying to show that there is another adapter that holds a H1 in place ,maybe another brand /make on non HID units  :y
maybe the link i posted can take either HID or H1 ,depending on what adapter is fitted . so, maybe Addy's has been replaced but missing part of the adapter  :-\

pic of the problem headlamp would probably help   ;D
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: cam.in.head on 13 January 2019, 16:47:29
We just need to know what his car has got in it now. Somebody may well have fitted a wrong headlamp ( such as a hid d2s) and bodged it to hold a h1 bulb .who knows.
From the front the projector type halogen and the hid look the same but as you say totally different at the back ,re the ballast,bulb mounting and cover screws.
We need a pic of what he's got !
Could just be missing its clip for the h1 or wrong lamp ?
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: addy on 13 January 2019, 19:33:15
Sorry for not replying been busy.  I will take a pic for you all, but the photo I first put up with the red circle on it, is how mine looks. The link from Davethebuilder has the same two wires as mine for the H1, but that metal piece with the light bulb retention spring on  isn't there.

Thanks for all the help, it is appreciated

Addy

Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 January 2019, 20:10:27
non HID driver side clicky  (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OPEL-OMEGA-1994-1998-RIGHT-DRIVERS-SIDE-HEADLIGHT/132897459502?hash=item1ef14e4d2e%3Ag%3A~mYAAOSwJiRb0DBs&LH_ItemCondition=4)
pic shows the H1 holder
its got a rounded corner on the lens ,so mini facelift  :-\
Both dipped and main are H1 on this unit... main has bulb fitted, dipped doesn't. Also, being non HID, it's a prefacelift light so has no business being anywhere near a facelift car ;)
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: addy on 14 January 2019, 10:27:09
As promised pics of my headlight.

This is how the H1 is fitted, the brown wire was just looped around the metal. I have soldered it for a better connection.
(https://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/Remingtonarmy/Omega/DSC_0118.jpg)

How the unit looks with the ring off.
(https://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/Remingtonarmy/Omega/DSC_0115.jpg)

This is how the person made the bulb fit.
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/Remingtonarmy/Omega/DSC_0117.jpg)

The car is a 2002 2.6 CD Model. Headlight height adjustment is done on the headlight switch.

Thanks
Addy
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 14 January 2019, 12:05:32
Definitely a pattern unit...

You might get lucky and find the retaining spring in the bowels of the unit :-\

Only permanent fix is to replace it.
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: addy on 14 January 2019, 12:29:32
Thanks for the reply. Found one on ebay £19 second hand, just waiting to hear back if it takes H1 H7 bulbs.
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 14 January 2019, 12:55:30
You can have the one in my photo for the postage... Be about £15 sent by UPS... Adjusters OK pre postage :y
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: addy on 14 January 2019, 15:44:20
Thanks Doctor Gollum, the passenger side on mine looks like this one https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-B-DRIVERS-HEADLIGHT-NO-BROKEN-FIXINGS-OR-BRACKETS/163484087605 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-B-DRIVERS-HEADLIGHT-NO-BROKEN-FIXINGS-OR-BRACKETS/163484087605), not the one in your link.

Thanks
Addy
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 14 January 2019, 17:07:15
Thanks Doctor Gollum, the passenger side on mine looks like this one https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-B-DRIVERS-HEADLIGHT-NO-BROKEN-FIXINGS-OR-BRACKETS/163484087605 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-B-DRIVERS-HEADLIGHT-NO-BROKEN-FIXINGS-OR-BRACKETS/163484087605), not the one in your link.

Thanks
Addy
I'm confused... The one you have just linked to is a genuine driver's side, and near as I can tell is the same as the one in my garage which I linked to yesterday... ???
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: addy on 14 January 2019, 18:50:25
Sorry must be the pic, the one in your link looks like the ones on my wifes 1995 style with the ridges

wifes headlight
(https://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/Remingtonarmy/Omega/DSC_0107.jpg)

This is the passenger side on mine 2002 CD
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/Remingtonarmy/Omega/DSC_0104.jpg)

My apologies if I am looking at it wrong.

Adrian
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: cam.in.head on 14 January 2019, 19:09:29
Is this the actual light on your actual car. . If it is then it
Looks like an early pre facelift light has been fitted rather than the correct type. ( hence the gap/ rounded off corner)
Or am I mistaken ?
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: addy on 14 January 2019, 19:23:18
The bottom pic is of the passenger side, on my 2002 CD, top one wifes 1995 CD.

Addy
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: cam.in.head on 14 January 2019, 19:31:38
That’s what I thought . So it looks like someone has fitted pre facelift light to the pass side.not an actual physical problem in itself providing you don’t mind the gap on the corner.it will obviously still work as intended.
So from what I am reading it sounds like you need to either find a way to hold the bulb in correctly on your other lamp ( is this an early rounded corner type as well ?) or replace the lamp unit complete to match the other side .
Or
Replace the pair but then you’re getting expensive / extra work for just solving the original. Bulb holder problem.
Your car . Your call .
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: dave the builder on 14 January 2019, 19:37:17
Looks like an early pre facelift light has been fitted rather than the correct type. ( hence the gap/ rounded off corner)
Or am I mistaken ?
yes, that's what I thought  :y
I had one with rounded corner like that ,sent as a replacement .
it physically fits and works but looks wrong on a facelift (mine's 53 plate)
so I swapped it for a pointy corner set
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: addy on 14 January 2019, 19:53:34
This is the one on drivers side which, the bulb fitment is wrong and if possible want to sort.

(https://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/Remingtonarmy/Omega/DSC_0102.jpg)
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: addy on 14 January 2019, 20:00:14
If I can sort a cheap unit to replace the damaged driver one, would be happy. But if I could find the proper style for both sides cheapish that would be even better. :)
Is this the style that should be in mine?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-B-DRIVERS-HEADLIGHT-NO-BROKEN-FIXINGS-OR-BRACKETS/163484087605 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-B-DRIVERS-HEADLIGHT-NO-BROKEN-FIXINGS-OR-BRACKETS/163484087605)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-B-PASSENGER-HEADLIGHT-NO-BROKEN-FIXINGS-OR-BRACKETS/163484081711?hash=item2610691e2f:g:QygAAOSwtaBcOl0~ (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-B-PASSENGER-HEADLIGHT-NO-BROKEN-FIXINGS-OR-BRACKETS/163484081711?hash=item2610691e2f:g:QygAAOSwtaBcOl0~)

Thanks
Addy
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: cam.in.head on 14 January 2019, 20:11:17
Yes it look correct but then again so does yours .if it were me and your existing headlamp has got good adjusters and lens I would just try find a replacement bulb retainer clip/ top.
I personally would be more inclined to change the other headlamp ! But that’s just me !.
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: addy on 14 January 2019, 20:19:20
I think the headlight drivers side is still not working right, the wife informed me earlier that headlight warning came on again, so will just change it. If the two in the links are proper type for mine then does the £39 for the pair seem a good price?

Thanks
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: cam.in.head on 14 January 2019, 20:25:30
The price seems fine but I would try and confirm that the adjusters are ok . Trouble is ,,the seller may snap them by trying them !  That is these lamps weak spot. You can fit a new adjuster without dismantling the light but it’s very fiddly and most advise softening the glue in an oven and removing the lense first.
You have just opened up a large can of worms I think !.
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 January 2019, 05:26:23
Look again ;)

The lenses on mine aren't great, but the adjusters are sound. Thinking about it, I will probably split my lights down and list the adjusters in the for sale section.

If I were you, I would buy the two in your last post and take a chance on the adjusters... At least that way you know that you definitely have a correct pair of working headlights ;)

Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: addy on 15 January 2019, 19:11:48
Thank you for the help everyone. Much appreciated.
Title: Re: Headlight Query
Post by: nellys coupe on 17 January 2019, 13:18:02
that defo looks like a halogen headlight the socket is the wrong shape for a xenon bulb.