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[chrisgixer]

harmon Kardon modulator has old apple connector, to which an apple gadget will fit.

Such as, a Bluetooth reciever. Like this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Wireless-Bluetooth-Music-Receiver-Adapter-For-iPhone-iPod-Dock-Bose-Speaker/251457174533?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D26261%26meid%3D8af7f01b722844758357113596d4b5f0%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D10942%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D251457174533

Advantage would be, I hope, that all audio would be sent to the car speakers. Tomtom voice being the main thing, with music obviously etc etc.

But, how will it work with the Nokia phone kit a lot of us have? Will an iPhone connect to two bt devices? will it send phone audio to phone kit, and all else to the reciever? Iirc there is a munu pop up to select the desired device. ...?

Prety sure the control knob for the Harmon kardon will be made redundant as well.

[05omegav6]

Ignoring Bose for a second...
Usb, gaypod, blue tooth and screen repeater... or have I missed summat

[chrisgixer]

Ignoring Bose for a second...
Usb, gaypod, blue tooth and screen repeater... or have I missed summat

Apart from an obsession with fony, the fact that in no way am I removing a 2015 with cid that's been heavily worked on by members here, and a price difference of £310...,

...no you've missed nothing at all.    

[chrisgixer]

Although there is a point in there, in that I have no desire to upgrade the head unit. At all. Why is that?

....anyone care to comment?

I'll start with the sound quality. I dont give a rats arse what the trade says. I have yet to hear an in car sound system better than the Bose set up in omega. ...that's not to say the system can't be bettered, but the astranomical cost of replacement to achieve minimal improvement only proves the quality of the oe set up. Imo.

[05omegav6]

Fair dos wrt Bose... but I do wonder if,by refusing to replace the HU, you run the risk of either missing out on functions that you require, or ending up with something thast doesn't work as you'd like because you have added features that it was never designed to have...

Depends on what exactly you are trying to achieve I suppose

[zirk]

harmon Kardon modulator has old apple connector, to which an apple gadget will fit.

Such as, a Bluetooth reciever. Like this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Wireless-Bluetooth-Music-Receiver-Adapter-For-iPhone-iPod-Dock-Bose-Speaker/251457174533?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D26261%26meid%3D8af7f01b722844758357113596d4b5f0%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D10942%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D251457174533

Advantage would be, I hope, that all audio would be sent to the car speakers. Tomtom voice being the main thing, with music obviously etc etc.

But, how will it work with the Nokia phone kit a lot of us have? Will an iPhone connect to two bt devices? will it send phone audio to phone kit, and all else to the reciever? Iirc there is a munu pop up to select the desired device. ...?

Prety sure the control knob for the Harmon kardon will be made redundant as well.

Not sure if Im reading you correctly, the NCDC HU has no Bluetooth, but you know that, so kind of guessing your asking could the BT interface be wired up to the Telematics Unit / wiring (Via some Audio trickery) so you can use the Phone for calls etc, probably, but as for playing music through it kind of guessing it would end up as an old fashion Mono signal. 

[chrisgixer]

Ok so ncdc 2015 has telematics. (2013 doesn't ) ...some history of this set up in my particular car.

I won't mention names initially, as I don't want them receiving requests to make this and that they are busy people especially atm. But...

I wanted to add a bt car kit, and an ac glove box. So A member here made me a loom to extend the telematics to the boot. And B member made me a little circuit board mixer to allow use of a bt car kit AND telematic. B member also, and get this, bought me a replacement new Harmon Kardon as the one he kindly offered to repair was buggered. Yeah, brand new.

So not only would IT be somwhat rude of me to then replace the HU given all the work they have done for me, but I love the way the system works. It's what I want in my car, and I'm very grateful to them. Oe head units are the only units that look correct in the car, and this one particularly is too integrated into the cars systems to replace, esp. given that I will not accept stuff not working. Etc etc....

So, what brings the bt reciever up?

Well, some will remember me trying to get tomtom voice to play via the bt car kit. This works well on Google maps, as the voice plays in mono through the bt car kit as Zirk mentions, but tomtom voice refuses to play voice via bt car car kit, because tomtom want you to buy THIER bt car kit instead.

This bt reciever will do exactly that. Plus it will, recieve and play all audio the the phone creates.

But.... What are the downsides ?

Will the Nokia bt car kit still work with calls? It's not good phone audio going to the BT reciever as there is no mic. That will have to go the the Nokia bt car kit. Hence as I recall there is a pop up on the phone for you to select the BT input you want. But if a pita if you have to check that box for each call, but might the pghone remember the selection for calls?

Obviously I will have to remove the ipod to fit the bt reciever. So the iPod won't work
But I have the phone with the same music on it that the BT reciever will play. But will the controller for the iPod on the harmon kardon control the phone via the reciever? Guessing not.
So I'll be stuck with buggering about with the phone while driving, which isn't good. The Hk controller knob is very good for this as I don't have to look at it.

In short it will fix one issue, but cause others. I can't think of any other functions that will be affected. But there are members here that understand these things much better than I do.

[chrisgixer]

I have omitted that the BT reciever goes in place of the iPod to the harmon kardon emulator that is played through bose.


...and that it only cost £5 to find out, and I have now ordered one. So the question is now a bit pointless anyway.

Although it might be usefull to otheres.

[zirk]

I have omitted that the BT reciever goes in place of the iPod to the harmon kardon emulator that is played through bose.


...and that it only cost £5 to find out, and I have now ordered one. So the question is now a bit pointless anyway.

Although it might be usefull to otheres.

£5 not a bad gamble, not an iPhone user or understander, but guessing what that gismo does, is drops into your Bose iPhone / Pod station and links your iPhone via BT so you walk around the house with the phone in your pocket.

[chrisgixer]

I have omitted that the BT reciever goes in place of the iPod to the harmon kardon emulator that is played through bose.


...and that it only cost £5 to find out, and I have now ordered one. So the question is now a bit pointless anyway.

Although it might be usefull to otheres.

£5 not a bad gamble, not an iPhone user or understander, but guessing what that gismo does, is drops into your Bose iPhone / Pod station and links your iPhone via BT so you walk around the house with the phone in your pocket.

yes it will work on any crApple dock or connector, rather than plugging the device in directly.

So becomes instant remote control, typo thing.

[TheBoy]

I'm 95% certain the gayDevice will only use one BT device at a time.  Certainly for outgoing calls, its likely to prompt, but really not sure about incoming.  If it prompts on a call, I guess that's not so bad.

Only other thing I can think of is something clever around always pumping **ALL** audio via BT gadget you have, and having a clever way to bring the MIC in for calls. But then you're reliant on the gayDevice to deal with what gets muted, so telematics calls, RDS travel etc etc will all interrupt call.

[TheBoy]

Mts TB has CoPilot, I can try to see what that does BT wise for directions?

[TheBoy]

Mts TB has CoPilot, I can try to see what that does BT wise for directions?

Doh! Which means I do, as we use the same gayTunes account

[chrisgixer]

[chrisgixer]

...oh, I did managed to get iphone 5 to say it was connected to 3 differant Bluetooth devices earlier. But couldn't check if they actually worked all at once, or melted.

[steve6367]

Mts TB has CoPilot, I can try to see what that does BT wise for directions?

Doh! Which means I do, as we use the same gayTunes account

Co pilot voice prompts play over BT from iPhone 

[chrisgixer]

This works well actually. Phone works independantly of the receiver. Fades the music out for a call which recognised the Nokia car kit as normal.

Only thing is the controller and screen for Harmon Kardon are now redundant. So all control is by the phone touch screen which is fiddly.

But for those with a basic modulator and a Bluetooth compatable music player this is handy.

...although I've just noticed it looks like you have to go to bt settings and conect to the receiver each time the ignition is turned on.

[chrisgixer]

An update.

This particular product is .... Shit. Actually. it degraded in performance and kept dropping the connection to the point it was useless.

But....While the concept is ideal, and the phone works with two seperate blutooth devices,  I think it would be better connected to the 3.5mm Jack input in the HK modulator, as these are available after a quick Google, that way I can keep the ipod and it's control as well.

So, is it likely that a 3.5 mm Jack conectiing bt reciever will work without its own power source? Plug and play type of thing...?

[TheBoy]

An update.

This particular product is .... Shit. Actually. it degraded in performance and kept dropping the connection to the point it was useless.

But....While the concept is ideal, and the phone works with two seperate blutooth devices,  I think it would be better connected to the 3.5mm Jack input in the HK modulator, as these are available after a quick Google, that way I can keep the ipod and it's control as well.

So, is it likely that a 3.5 mm Jack conectiing bt reciever will work without its own power source? Plug and play type of thing...?

Eh? Can you clarify, as despite reading that about 5 times, I couldn't get what you were intending.

Remember, I'm just the stupid kid, so simple words

[TheBoy]

3.5mm from phone to HK 3.5mm?

Not sure how phone calls will be handled - I guess a pop-up on screen asking which device (headphones (3.5mm), Nokia etc)

[TheBoy]

And how does the HK cope with a signal on gayPod adapter and on 3.5mm?

[chrisgixer]

Phone works fine. Hk works fine. It's just the adaptor is shite.

But I have established I prefer the hk gaypad control for general use. So the iPod is going back in in place of the bt reviewer.

I'm now looking at a bt receiver for the 3.5 jack aux in to hk brain. But they all need power or re charging.

[05omegav6]

Power is easily sorted... especially if the box can be buried

[AndyRoid]

I'm now looking at a bt receiver for the 3.5 jack aux in to hk brain. But they all need power or re charging.

They will all need a power source of some description Chris, but as TD says, not really a major issue if you can bury it somewhere.

Have you looked at a Parrot BT Kit?

[05omegav6]

I'm now looking at a bt receiver for the 3.5 jack aux in to hk brain. But they all need power or re charging.

They will all need a power source of some description Chris, but as TD says, not really a major issue if you can bury it somewhere.

Have you looked at a Parrot BT Kit?

I wouldn't bother...

[chrisgixer]

I'm now looking at a bt receiver for the 3.5 jack aux in to hk brain. But they all need power or re charging.

They will all need a power source of some description Chris, but as TD says, not really a major issue if you can bury it somewhere.

Have you looked at a Parrot BT Kit?

Yes I considered one of those a long while back. But the car has telematics. And  members here made me a loom and mixer to blend in the two phone options for the Nokia bt car kit line in.

Basically the music/tomtom/all phone noise has to go in through the Hk emulator to get  to the head unit and bose. Because, as we know, the head unit has in inputs. Other than phone in, which is mono. Apart from the mobile phone functions, which has to go to said mono input via bt car kit for the mic. Etc.

See?

[chrisgixer]

I wouldn't bother...

I wish YOU wouldn't bother. I'm not having your gay fony head unit. Ok?

[05omegav6]

I wouldn't bother...

I wish YOU wouldn't bother. I'm not having your gay fony head unit. Ok?

I thought you'd pick up on that... I was actually referring to the Parrot suggestion, so there

[chrisgixer]

All I'm looking for the bt emulator to do, is save me plugging in the aux cable to the phone. It saves the bother and removes one of the two cables hanging out the dash. Unsightly things.

That's all it has to do. ...and not turn itself off is helpfull.

[chrisgixer]

I wouldn't bother...

I wish YOU wouldn't bother. I'm not having your gay fony head unit. Ok?

I thought you'd pick up on that... I was actually referring to the Parrot suggestion, so there

Parrot can't get music to the head unit any better than the Hk emulator. Unless I'm missing something re parrots.

The Hk gets music in. It's just not bt capable.


And tbh, the ice system in this car is modified to the point that that only TB and VXL V6 Understand it. ....I know I don't, fully.

[TheBoy]

How does the HK decide whether to use the audio from iPod connection or audio from 3.5mm?

[chrisgixer]

How does the HK decide whether to use the audio from iPod connection or audio from 3.5mm?

User selection. Via menus.

[TheBoy]

How does the HK decide whether to use the audio from iPod connection or audio from 3.5mm?

User selection. Via menus.

Ah, that's what I thought. So you have to piss around swapping from gayPod to gayPhone 

[chrisgixer]

How does the HK decide whether to use the audio from iPod connection or audio from 3.5mm?

User selection. Via menus.

Ah, that's what I thought. So you have to piss around swapping from gayPod to gayPhone 

Of course. How else?

The menu option for aux in is buried deep in the os. But the user would have to select the option required regardless. No?

Bluetooth reciever affects non of this of course. Just does away with plugging in the 3.5 Jack to the phone. Which is much more of a fiddle.

[TheBoy]

How does the HK decide whether to use the audio from iPod connection or audio from 3.5mm?

User selection. Via menus.

Ah, that's what I thought. So you have to piss around swapping from gayPod to gayPhone 

Of course. How else?

The menu option for aux in is buried deep in the os. But the user would have to select the option required regardless. No?

Bluetooth reciever affects non of this of course. Just does away with plugging in the 3.5 Jack to the phone. Which is much more of a fiddle.

Yeah, understood, was just hoping it was doing something clever, so (for eg) it could be happily playing gayPod, and only push through the gayPhone audio when it senses audio.

[chrisgixer]

How does the HK decide whether to use the audio from iPod connection or audio from 3.5mm?

User selection. Via menus.

Ah, that's what I thought. So you have to piss around swapping from gayPod to gayPhone 

Of course. How else?

The menu option for aux in is buried deep in the os. But the user would have to select the option required regardless. No?

Bluetooth reciever affects non of this of course. Just does away with plugging in the 3.5 Jack to the phone. Which is much more of a fiddle.

Yeah, understood, was just hoping it was doing something clever, so (for eg) it could be happily playing gayPod, and only push through the gayPhone audio when it senses audio.

Nope. It's a bit thick that way. The fact the aux in option is buried so deep in the Menu was partly why I considered replacing the ipod with the reciever. But the phone is more fiddly selecting tracks. Not good when driving.

So it's better to have phone on dash board connected via bt. And use ipod generally by click wheel as normal. Then select phone by click wheel, if needing tomtom etc.

In other words, if blutooth reciever is on aux in. I can select music from ipod or phone outputs, via Hk click wheel. Only cable involved is charger.

[05omegav6]

Guess that the gayphone doesn't work as a gaypod... so that's two obselete, overdesigned bricks that you need to replace every failed upgrade

[chrisgixer]

Guess that the gayphone doesn't work as a gaypod... so that's two obselete, overdesigned bricks that you need to replace every failed upgrade

Aye? Not with you.

[05omegav6]

If you could use the gayphone as a gaypod, then when a call comes in it would switch to phone mode, thus feeding the call to the HU... But if the Jobs smelling is anything to go by, that would be too complicated...

[chrisgixer]

If you could use the gayphone as a gaypod, then when a call comes in it would switch to phone mode, thus feeding the call to the HU... But if the Jobs smelling is anything to go by, that would be too complicated...

Oh let me guess, I should fit a Fony hu for a grand, loose check control and bc functions along with the cid, in favour of a screen on the floor and gonks all over the dash so bright they're more blinding than a Q7 on full beam, much like the mess you've attached to that poor 2.2?

Remind me why your posting this? Or have you turned troll as well?

[TheBoy]

If you could use the gayphone as a gaypod, then when a call comes in it would switch to phone mode, thus feeding the call to the HU... But if the Jobs smelling is anything to go by, that would be too complicated...

The phone makes a perfectly good gayPod...

[chrisgixer]

If you could use the gayphone as a gaypod, then when a call comes in it would switch to phone mode, thus feeding the call to the HU... But if the Jobs smelling is anything to go by, that would be too complicated...

The phone makes a perfectly good gayPod...

How does this help?

The phone would have to be on the cable. Apart from that yes, very good ipod. Far better than fony shite.

[TheBoy]

If you could use the gayphone as a gaypod, then when a call comes in it would switch to phone mode, thus feeding the call to the HU... But if the Jobs smelling is anything to go by, that would be too complicated...

The phone makes a perfectly good gayPod...

How does this help?

The phone would have to be on the cable. Apart from that yes, very good ipod. Far better than fony shite.

Sorry, I was replying to Taxi Al.

[chrisgixer]

 I know. I was replying to you both before he posts more unhelpful rubbish.

[chrisgixer]

Have I got to get the malet out again ?

[05omegav6]

Not at all so we're clear... you're trying to connect both your phone and ipod to the HK unit, but currently can't as it only has one input

Hence the Bluetooth device?

I appreciate why you don't want to go down the aftermarket route, so wasn't going to go there again. Ever.

[chrisgixer]

Not at all so we're clear... you're trying to connect both your phone and ipod to the HK unit, but currently can't as it only has one input

Hence the Bluetooth device?

I appreciate why you don't want to go down the aftermarket route, so wasn't going to go there again. Ever.

NOOOOOOOOOO, ffs can you not read?

[05omegav6]

Apparently not in which case I shall leave you to it as I clearly can't get my head around what you're trying to do

[chrisgixer]

Google Harmon Kardon drive and play. Select images. Look at the diags.

Input 1. Ipod cable.

Input 2. Aux in via 3.5 Jack.

Both to Hk drive and play.

Hk is hard wired to fm. Hence two inputs. As described earlier.

[chrisgixer]

Apparently not in which case I shall leave you to it as I clearly can't get my head around what you're trying to do

I also hinted at that earlier. Only TB and Andy know this system.

Now OPPS off until you've read the diags. ....stupid boy pike.

[chrisgixer]

Maybe I should of just pm'd TB.

[05omegav6]

Yes Dad... So Bluetooth was to simplify phone connection? (he asks tentatively)...

[TheBoy]

What about something like iTrip - would that fire TT's voice over the connection?

(Going slightly at a tangent/different sledgehammer v nut)

[TheBoy]

What about something like iTrip - would that fire TT's voice over the connection?

(Going slightly at a tangent/different sledgehammer v nut)

Ignore that, of course it wouldn't work, stupid boy Pike. As the HU will be on the HK FM frequency, not the iTrip's

[chrisgixer]

Yes Dad... So Bluetooth was to simplify phone connection? (he asks tentatively)...

Al. Ffs .....  1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10... ...and breath.

[TheBoy]

Yes Dad... So Bluetooth was to simplify phone connection? (he asks tentatively)...

I believe so. To stop the hassle of plugging the phone in every time.  I don't see that as too much of an annoyance, but its clearly something chrisgixer wants to avoid/simplify.

I think.

[chrisgixer]

What about something like iTrip - would that fire TT's voice over the connection?

(Going slightly at a tangent/different sledgehammer v nut)

Ignore that, of course it wouldn't work, stupid boy Pike. As the HU will be on the HK FM frequency, not the iTrip's

i will....

Hk is fine. I love it. Phone is fine, handles numerous bt device. Well, two anyway. Just need a bt reciever to 3.5 Jack.

So phone, for music and TT voice > bt reciever>3.5 Jack to Hk. Hk to HU visa fm. In theory, with Siri via Nokia for phone only, I can get in the car, leave phone in pocket (unless it needs charging) press Nokia bt, speak for music or nav, and arrive without taking phone out of pocket as the phone will divert music and nav voice (Google maps or TT) to bose.

iPod via Hk contoler as normal. As the Hk controller is far more easy to use than a touch screen.

It is a bit 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other, but that's how I want it.

[chrisgixer]

Yes Dad... So Bluetooth was to simplify phone connection? (he asks tentatively)...

I believe so. To stop the hassle of plugging the phone in every time.  I don't see that as too much of an annoyance, but its clearly something chrisgixer wants to avoid/simplify.

I think.

Initially I wanted to see if I could replace the ipod with phone, and run all from the phone by using bt reciever. But at risk of repeating from page 1, the Hk controller doesn't control the phone. It's a differant port anyway. 32 pin v lightening. And requires fiddling with touch screen. Hk controller is far better for music anyway.

With a bt reciever to 3.5 Jack I can have both. As required. If necessary.

[TheBoy]

Are you able to test your cheapo BT adapter elsewhere, and see if it works better (away from the car)?

I'm thinking along the lines of if its the phone disconnecting from the BT adapter (possibly due to 2 paired BT devices in range) rather than the BT adapter disconnecting from the phone...   ...if we know the BT adapter is definitely shite, it may be worth pursuing another BT unit (although I suspect most will be based on same chipsets/firmwares)

[chrisgixer]

Reciever works fine on the dock type speakers it was designed for. You know the bose speaker docks you plug the iPod into as a stand In the house. I have it running on a similar type unit in the bedroom. Works really well. Connect phone to iwave, play music with phone in hand. Music comes out of speakers.

It may well be that the btr doesn't like the iPod cable on the Hk. But that no longer matters asi have seen enough of its operation when plugged into the iPod cable, to know that's not what I want.
So the btr will go in the house dock. I shall seek another 3.5 Jack based btr for the aux In on the Hk.

So btr I have is old 32 pin apple connector as on up to iphone 4.

I will seek a 3.5mm Jack based bt reciever instead. It's really simple tbh

[chrisgixer]

Although the only downside, for me, is it will need power. And a grown up to wire it in.

[chrisgixer]

Is there a way to feed a cable from the pass side footwell behind glove box, to the back of the ash tray?

I intend to run a 3.5mm Jack from Hk aux in to the ash tray where the charger can be used to alternately charge bt reciever and phone, as required.

...preferably without removing ash tray, but it will probably have to come out.

[TheBoy]

There is a quite easy route (assuming with all the other crap retrofitted in your case hasn't filled the gap ), but the "wood" console needs to come out...

...and in the case of your particular example, "Good Luck!"

[05omegav6]

Can be routed around the bottom edge of the dash and the fed up behind the ashtray, obviously with the ashtray assembly removed

The route TB mentions does really require the radio etc out for clarity

[chrisgixer]

I'm not touching that head unit until it really does need to come out. Opps that. Took an hour to get it back in last time iirc?

[VXL V6]

You'll have to get Mrs TB's crochet needles on it.

What's the worst that can happen? (VXL V6 recalls the fun had with the 2013 in the old estate on a visit to Brackley....)

[TheBoy]

You'll have to get Mrs TB's crochet needles on it.

What's the worst that can happen? (VXL V6 recalls the fun had with the 2013 in the old estate on a visit to Brackley....)

I had tried hard to forget that "10 minute job"

[VXL V6]

You'll have to get Mrs TB's crochet needles on it.

What's the worst that can happen? (VXL V6 recalls the fun had with the 2013 in the old estate on a visit to Brackley....)

I had tried hard to forget that "10 minute job"

Well bending the pins back on the bezel connector one by one certainly wasn't mentioned in the Haynes Manual.