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Re: Second Referendum
« Reply #30 on: 26 February 2019, 19:29:35 »

Like it or not, we live in a global society now, and cannot exist purely in our own little bubble.

Which is exactly what BREXIT is all about.  ::)

We can either sit in fortress Europe and gently decline with the rest of them or get out there and engage with the wider world where it is all happening!  :)

I find it hard to understand why some seem to think that Europe is the centre of the universe.  :-\
Agreed, even the Americans understand and accept the concept of global business  ::)
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Re: Second Referendum
« Reply #31 on: 26 February 2019, 19:30:56 »

I find it hard to understand why some seem to think that Europe is the centre of the universe.  :-\
It ain't. But as our most important trading partner, and being a key part of increased wealth of the nation, sometimes a pragmatic view is equally worthy as a pure idealistic one.

It's only our most important trading partner because it slowly and sucessfully sucked us into it's control and administration.
How many countries worldwide would love a slice of the UK market , I'd bet you a lot more than 27.
As a believer that the UK is an insignificant little rock I can see why you are petrified of the big peoples world .
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Re: Second Referendum
« Reply #32 on: 26 February 2019, 20:17:09 »

How many times in our lives have we taken a knock? A big knock? We all get over the change in circumstances and, usually, come out of the other side stronger. I know that things would be very difficult immediately after Brexit, but I firmly believe that we would end up in a better position after a period of time.
People on mainland Europe are of a certain type. We are different. We always have been. Whether you think that's a good or a bad thing, it's true. (Although not for much longer if we keep 'integrating' foreigners). You might well say that I'm living in the past, a dinosaur, but I believe in what I'm saying. We are an odd race, but one thing we have always been is fiercely independent, with a (uniquely British) dislike and distrust of others. That's in our DNA and I'm not about to change for the promise of 'security', financial or otherwise.

I might be more willing to be part of a Europe that was built on fairness and cooperation, but this Europe is something totally opposite. The people that have worked their way to the top of the pile have done so by dealing behind closed doors, while lying to everyone about what their aims are. They want a federal Europe with the capital in Brussels, with, eventually, every last semblance of national identity removed.
Sorry, but I am British, I most definitely am not European.
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Re: Second Referendum
« Reply #33 on: 26 February 2019, 20:26:15 »

STEMO, I would have preferred you to have said that you are English rather than British, but otherwise I agree with you completely.

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Re: Second Referendum
« Reply #34 on: 26 February 2019, 20:26:33 »

How many times in our lives have we taken a knock? A big knock? We all get over the change in circumstances and, usually, come out of the other side stronger. I know that things would be very difficult immediately after Brexit, but I firmly believe that we would end up in a better position after a period of time.
People on mainland Europe are of a certain type. We are different. We always have been. Whether you think that's a good or a bad thing, it's true. (Although not for much longer if we keep 'integrating' foreigners). You might well say that I'm living in the past, a dinosaur, but I believe in what I'm saying. We are an odd race, but one thing we have always been is fiercely independent, with a (uniquely British) dislike and distrust of others. That's in our DNA and I'm not about to change for the promise of 'security', financial or otherwise.

I might be more willing to be part of a Europe that was built on fairness and cooperation, but this Europe is something totally opposite. The people that have worked their way to the top of the pile have done so by dealing behind closed doors, while lying to everyone about what their aims are. They want a federal Europe with the capital in Brussels, with, eventually, every last semblance of national identity removed.
Sorry, but I am British, I most definitely am not European.

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Re: Second Referendum
« Reply #35 on: 26 February 2019, 21:10:07 »

How many times in our lives have we taken a knock? A big knock? We all get over the change in circumstances and, usually, come out of the other side stronger. I know that things would be very difficult immediately after Brexit, but I firmly believe that we would end up in a better position after a period of time.
People on mainland Europe are of a certain type. We are different. We always have been. Whether you think that's a good or a bad thing, it's true. (Although not for much longer if we keep 'integrating' foreigners). You might well say that I'm living in the past, a dinosaur, but I believe in what I'm saying. We are an odd race, but one thing we have always been is fiercely independent, with a (uniquely British) dislike and distrust of others. That's in our DNA and I'm not about to change for the promise of 'security', financial or otherwise.

I might be more willing to be part of a Europe that was built on fairness and cooperation, but this Europe is something totally opposite. The people that have worked their way to the top of the pile have done so by dealing behind closed doors, while lying to everyone about what their aims are. They want a federal Europe with the capital in Brussels, with, eventually, every last semblance of national identity removed.
Sorry, but I am British, I most definitely am not European.

I concur .
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Re: Second Referendum
« Reply #36 on: 26 February 2019, 21:30:54 »

How many times in our lives have we taken a knock? A big knock? We all get over the change in circumstances and, usually, come out of the other side stronger. I know that things would be very difficult immediately after Brexit, but I firmly believe that we would end up in a better position after a period of time.
People on mainland Europe are of a certain type. We are different. We always have been. Whether you think that's a good or a bad thing, it's true. (Although not for much longer if we keep 'integrating' foreigners). You might well say that I'm living in the past, a dinosaur, but I believe in what I'm saying. We are an odd race, but one thing we have always been is fiercely independent, with a (uniquely British) dislike and distrust of others. That's in our DNA and I'm not about to change for the promise of 'security', financial or otherwise.

I might be more willing to be part of a Europe that was built on fairness and cooperation, but this Europe is something totally opposite. The people that have worked their way to the top of the pile have done so by dealing behind closed doors, while lying to everyone about what their aims are. They want a federal Europe with the capital in Brussels, with, eventually, every last semblance of national identity removed.
Sorry, but I am British, I most definitely am not European.

Absolutely spot on!! :y :y :y :y
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Re: Second Referendum
« Reply #37 on: 26 February 2019, 21:49:47 »

EU Referendum results

By Constituency: 406 : leave 242:remain
by voting area:   263 Leave:119 remain

 By party Labour:148 leave: 84 remain
Conservative:      247 leave:80 remain
 by MP :             248 leave: 400 remain!
MP,s ARE  the problem
  Elected to serve but only serving themselves and the extremely flawed and sinking EU;         
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Re: Second Referendum
« Reply #38 on: 26 February 2019, 22:04:44 »

Hang on a minute. 

Did lies get told by people supporting leaving Europe ? Yes

Did rules of money spending get broken by leave support organisations ? Yes

Are the general public still too stupid to be allowed to make a decision on the future ?

I honestly think the first referendum was ill thought out.  Anyone over 60 shouldn't have been allowed to vote on their grand kids future.  The percentage required to leave should have been at least 75%.

Do i think that a second referendum is a good idea?  Well given that it's suddenly very clear what the future looks like, so I'd ask what the Brexiters are scared of?

If the future looks better out of Europe, despite the lies they told, then they'll win hands down wont they?

what is clear to me is that Cameron, Farage and Johnson should be held accountable for their actions and come the revolution they'll be first to have British Citizenship revoked, (just after Sajid Javid is deported to Eastern Europe.  When I say east I mean Syria)

In conclusion - we are fFuUUckkkeeed 

 

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Re: Second Referendum
« Reply #39 on: 26 February 2019, 22:14:39 »

I find it hard to understand why some seem to think that Europe is the centre of the universe.  :-\
It ain't. But as our most important trading partner, and being a key part of increased wealth of the nation, sometimes a pragmatic view is equally worthy as a pure idealistic one.

There you have it in a nutshell.

Do we want to be subsumed by a federal Europe run from Brussels  OR do we want a bit of graft and get our sovereignty back? It is nothing to do with trade, passports, Erasmus, lettuces, Irish beef, French wine, whether we will be hungry, richer or poorer.  The easy option is just to let The EU run our lives and us be good little worker ants paying for their projects. Next one is an 8 billion tunnel to Africa from Spain( makes HS2 whiteelephant look cheap) built with EU grants.

Oh and wealth of nation? How are the roads holding up? The NHS doing? The poor getting poorer while the rich get richer?  I didnt see muchof the wealth going to ordinary people but that is a cornerstone of the Tories policy I believe.
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Re: Second Referendum
« Reply #40 on: 26 February 2019, 22:16:49 »

New ipod?


PRATT so your saying over 60,s should not be allowed to vote on any important issue?

got news for you mate we are a democratic country,even with just 3 votes 2 against 1 wins

if you dont like democracy go live in russia or some other non democratic country
 
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« Reply #41 on: 26 February 2019, 22:32:01 »

Hang on a minute. 

Did lies get told by people supporting leaving Europe ? Yes

Did rules of money spending get broken by leave support organisations ? Yes

Are the general public still too stupid to be allowed to make a decision on the future ?

I honestly think the first referendum was ill thought out.  Anyone over 60 shouldn't have been allowed to vote on their grand kids future.  The percentage required to leave should have been at least 75%.

Do i think that a second referendum is a good idea?  Well given that it's suddenly very clear what the future looks like, so I'd ask what the Brexiters are scared of?

If the future looks better out of Europe, despite the lies they told, then they'll win hands down wont they?

what is clear to me is that Cameron, Farage and Johnson should be held accountable for their actions and come the revolution they'll be first to have British Citizenship revoked, (just after Sajid Javid is deported to Eastern Europe.  When I say east I mean Syria)

In conclusion - we are fFuUUckkkeeed
Lies were told by both sides, but I'm not sure if they were actually believed at the time by the people telling them.
Aaron Banks broke the spending rules, but do you really think that swayed the vote?
The general public have already voted.
No one cares what you thought of the first referendum.
The over sixties made sure that we live in a country that is free to hold referendums to determine it's own future.
Those of us who are too weak and frightened to even try to go it alone are the only ones that are f**ked.
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Re: Second Referendum
« Reply #42 on: 26 February 2019, 23:05:23 »

I wouldn't be troubled by the vitriolic ramblings of that wee boy.
It actually demonstrates clearly the fundamental failings of the remoaners in that it displays a total lack of understanding as to the ethos of democracy.

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Re: Second Referendum
« Reply #43 on: 26 February 2019, 23:15:25 »

Hang on a minute. 

Did lies get told by people supporting leaving Europe ? Yes

Did rules of money spending get broken by leave support organisations ? Yes

Are the general public still too stupid to be allowed to make a decision on the future ?

I honestly think the first referendum was ill thought out.  Anyone over 60 shouldn't have been allowed to vote on their grand kids future.  The percentage required to leave should have been at least 75%.

Do i think that a second referendum is a good idea?  Well given that it's suddenly very clear what the future looks like, so I'd ask what the Brexiters are scared of?

If the future looks better out of Europe, despite the lies they told, then they'll win hands down wont they?

what is clear to me is that Cameron, Farage and Johnson should be held accountable for their actions and come the revolution they'll be first to have British Citizenship revoked, (just after Sajid Javid is deported to Eastern Europe.  When I say east I mean Syria)

In conclusion - we are fFuUUckkkeeed
This is exactly why no one under the age of 21 or on benefits should be allowed to vote...

I so wanted to type "entitled idiot socialist millenial prick", but this will have to do...



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Re: Second Referendum
« Reply #44 on: 26 February 2019, 23:47:23 »


Anyone over 60 shouldn't have been allowed to vote on their grand kids future. 


Funny thing is that in most cultures around the world older people are respected for their wisdom and experience, but in modern YouKay it's the 16 year olds who know it all and apparently we get progressively dafter as we get older!  ::)

Oh! .... Hold on...  :-\  ;D
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