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Our guy in the US put his thoughts on email about Trumps administration. No doubt he said what people in similar positions have thought or even put in writing.
The question I would ask is who leaked it and why? Shouldnt be hard to find out.
Farage for UK ambassador to USA?
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Our guy in the US put his thoughts on email about Trumps administration. No doubt he said what people in similar positions have thought or even put in writing.
The question I would ask is who leaked it and why? Shouldnt be hard to find out.
Farage for UK ambassador to USA?
I expect it was a bitter and twisted remainer civil servant hell bent on damaging the US/UK relationship prior to BREXIT. ::)
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Farage for UK ambassador to USA?
He does love dear ol' don, shouldn't be hard for him to rekindle the bromance.
I expect it was a bitter and twisted remainer civil servant hell bent on damaging the US/UK relationship prior to BREXIT. ::)
Don't worry sir Tig, I'm sure they'll still be gracious enough to foist chlorinated chicken, hormonal beef and US priced drugs onto the NHS, regardless of the civil service tittle tattle.
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Mm cheap burgers and Mcnuggets. That will be well received and a boost to keeping the cost of living down.
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I expect it was a bitter and twisted remainer civil servant hell bent on damaging the US/UK relationship prior to BREXIT. ::)
Don't worry sir Tig, I'm sure they'll still be gracious enough to foist chlorinated chicken, hormonal beef and US priced drugs onto the NHS, regardless of the civil service tittle tattle.
Where can I buy this chlorine wash stuff that everyone is on about? ???
I bought a bag of frozen chicken breasts a while ago and it turns out it's from Thailand, and god knows what's on or in them because everytime I eat one, I fart like the devil! :o
So I reckon washing them in chlorine might improve things. ;) ;D
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Whatever the rights and wrongs of it are, the ambassador will have to be replaced. The person who leaked it should spend time behind bars, but I doubt they will. No such thing as personal responsibility these days.
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I wonder what the American Ambassador has been saying about Theresa May's government. ::)
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The amazing thing is though, this 'leak' has only spelt out what is almost publicly very well known, and in the media, in homes everywhere, being already said! You would have to be thick not to have already understood how this President acts.
It revealed nothing new; we know changes his mind, is chaotic in his ways, and shoots from the hip ignoring what many others around him are saying. Just look at his 'inner circle 'casualties' !! :D :D
Trump is Trump, he is what he is, a unique President that ignores conformity and does what he thinks is best, even if he upsets deeply other Republicans! Then can change is mind later in the day!! :D :D
Love him. Importantly, a majority of the American people love him!! 8) 8)
:-* :-* ;)
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Whatever the rights and wrongs of it are, the ambassador will have to be replaced. The person who leaked it should spend time behind bars, but I doubt they will. No such thing as personal responsibility these days.
Why should the ambassador be replaced ??? Evaluating the foreign government and its personnel is a large part of his job! As is reporting back, as there's no point in doing that work otherwise.
The leaker is a different matter, but leaking is a politicians tool.
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I wonder what the American Ambassador has been saying about Theresa May's government. ::)
If he's any good, it will be the same stuff you could hear in the pub but in more depth and backed up with first hand examples.
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Whatever the rights and wrongs of it are, the ambassador will have to be replaced. The person who leaked it should spend time behind bars, but I doubt they will. No such thing as personal responsibility these days.
Why should the ambassador be replaced ??? Evaluating the foreign government and its personnel is a large part of his job! As is reporting back, as there's no point in doing that work otherwise.
The leaker is a different matter, but leaking is a politicians tool.
Among the ambassadors duties are attending functions at the White House to 'network' with staff, other ambassadors and even the president himself. Can't see that happening.
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Whatever the rights and wrongs of it are, the ambassador will have to be replaced. The person who leaked it should spend time behind bars, but I doubt they will. No such thing as personal responsibility these days.
Why should the ambassador be replaced ??? Evaluating the foreign government and its personnel is a large part of his job! As is reporting back, as there's no point in doing that work otherwise.
The leaker is a different matter, but leaking is a politicians tool.
Among the ambassadors duties are attending functions at the White House to 'network' with staff, other ambassadors and even the president himself. Can't see that happening.
Interaction by networking is how it's done. Every amabassador diplomat in the world does this.
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Whatever the rights and wrongs of it are, the ambassador will have to be replaced. The person who leaked it should spend time behind bars, but I doubt they will. No such thing as personal responsibility these days.
Why should the ambassador be replaced ??? Evaluating the foreign government and its personnel is a large part of his job! As is reporting back, as there's no point in doing that work otherwise.
The leaker is a different matter, but leaking is a politicians tool.
Among the ambassadors duties are attending functions at the White House to 'network' with staff, other ambassadors and even the president himself. Can't see that happening.
Interaction by networking is how it's done. Every amabassador diplomat in the world does this.
Well.......he'll be barred! Donald has already asked for him to be replaced by Nigel Farage.
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Can he be PM and Ambassador simultaneously :-\
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Whatever the rights and wrongs of it are, the ambassador will have to be replaced. The person who leaked it should spend time behind bars, but I doubt they will. No such thing as personal responsibility these days.
Why should the ambassador be replaced ??? Evaluating the foreign government and its personnel is a large part of his job! As is reporting back, as there's no point in doing that work otherwise.
The leaker is a different matter, but leaking is a politicians tool.
Among the ambassadors duties are attending functions at the White House to 'network' with staff, other ambassadors and even the president himself. Can't see that happening.
Interaction by networking is how it's done. Every amabassador diplomat in the world does this.
Well.......he'll be barred! Donald has already asked for him to be replaced by Nigel Farage.
What could possibly go wrong? ::)
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Can he be PM and Ambassador simultaneously :-\
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I would like that ;D
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Whatever the rights and wrongs of it are, the ambassador will have to be replaced. The person who leaked it should spend time behind bars, but I doubt they will. No such thing as personal responsibility these days.
Why should the ambassador be replaced ??? Evaluating the foreign government and its personnel is a large part of his job! As is reporting back, as there's no point in doing that work otherwise.
The leaker is a different matter, but leaking is a politicians tool.
Simple. The leak has made his position untenable. He cant have a any kind of relationship with the Trump administration now.
May has announced this morning that she has full faith in him. That means he will be out by the end of the month. ;D
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Good riddance to him he was a waste of space anyway
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A big fan of Hilary apparently. ::)
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A big fan of Hilary apparently. ::)
A staunch communist then :D
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A big fan of Hilary apparently. ::)
A staunch communist then :D
Yeah, I reckon the Russians are behind all this; blame them! :D :D ;)
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I expect it was a bitter and twisted remainer civil servant hell bent on damaging the US/UK relationship prior to BREXIT. ::)
Don't worry sir Tig, I'm sure they'll still be gracious enough to foist chlorinated chicken, hormonal beef and US priced drugs onto the NHS, regardless of the civil service tittle tattle.
Where can I buy this chlorine wash stuff that everyone is on about? ???
I bought a bag of frozen chicken breasts a while ago and it turns out it's from Thailand, and god knows what's on or in them because everytime I eat one, I fart like the devil! :o
So I reckon washing them in chlorine might improve things. ;) ;D
You cannot yet. It is interesting if you look at the use by dates on fresh chicken portions. In Spain it is only a few days time. In the UK the dates are always longer. Not sure how that is achieved. Chlorine washing removes the going off chickeny smell . It will still be useable fresh months after preparation, maybe years.
PS hope you have learnt your lesson re Thailand chicken. What were you thinking?
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I expect it was a bitter and twisted remainer civil servant hell bent on damaging the US/UK relationship prior to BREXIT. ::)
Don't worry sir Tig, I'm sure they'll still be gracious enough to foist chlorinated chicken, hormonal beef and US priced drugs onto the NHS, regardless of the civil service tittle tattle.
Where can I buy this chlorine wash stuff that everyone is on about? ???
I bought a bag of frozen chicken breasts a while ago and it turns out it's from Thailand, and god knows what's on or in them because everytime I eat one, I fart like the devil! :o
So I reckon washing them in chlorine might improve things. ;) ;D
You cannot yet. It is interesting if you look at the use by dates on fresh chicken portions. In Spain it is only a few days time. In the UK the dates are always longer. Not sure how that is achieved. Chlorine washing removes the going off chickeny smell . It will still be useable fresh months after preparation, maybe years.
PS hope you have learnt your lesson re Thailand chicken. What were you thinking?
Recently a BBC Watchdog episode highlighted how chicken that was meant to be all from the same batch, with the same "use by dates", were actually different and showing signs of deterioration of varying levels. This also varied across a range of retail outlets. :o :o
I do not generally eat chicken!! ::) ::) :D ;)
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Back on topic.
Hasn't Brexit shown everyone just how rotten politics is.
We dont actually know what has happened but we can be certain someone has an agenda that has maybe been paid for. I am now wondering if someone wants Farage sidelined in the job of US ambassador so that he isn't so effective come the next election. Now who would benefit from a weakened Brexit party as Boris led Tories wobble in the Autumn?
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Back on topic.
Hasn't Brexit shown everyone just how rotten politics is.
We dont actually know what has happened but we can be certain someone has an agenda that has maybe been paid for. I am now wondering if someone wants Farage sidelined in the job of US ambassador so that he isn't so effective come the next election. Now who would benefit from a weakened Brexit party as Boris led Tories wobble in the Autumn?
But that would not stop him for running for the top job, and in fact it could increase his political strength in many quarters. His influence would increase? :-\ :-\
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But that would not stop him for running for the top job, and in fact it could increase his political strength in many quarters. His influence would increase? :-\ :-\
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The only way Farage could become PM is if he is leader of a political party that has a majority(or is the first to form a coalition) in the House of Commons. The Brexit party would need to go from none to about 250 MPs, pinching those from both Labour and the Conservatives, to manage that.
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Sidelined. As in not there to run the Brexit party.
Unless you can be an ambassador and leader of Brexit party and an MP and an MEP and an astronaut.
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The only way Farage could become PM is if he is leader of a political party that has a majority(or is the first to form a coalition) in the House of Commons. The Brexit party would need to go from none to about 250 MPs, pinching those from both Labour and the Conservatives, to manage that.
These are extraordinary times and I think this could happen. If not they certainly could become the 'Kingmakers'. ;)
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Sidelined. As in not there to run the Brexit party.
Unless you can be an ambassador and leader of Brexit party and an MP and an MEP and an astronaut.
. Chance would be a fine thing :D
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The only way Farage could become PM is if he is leader of a political party that has a majority(or is the first to form a coalition) in the House of Commons. The Brexit party would need to go from none to about 250 MPs, pinching those from both Labour and the Conservatives, to manage that.
These are extraordinary times and I think this could happen. If not they certainly could become the 'Kingmakers'. ;)
Exactly, nothing can be ruled out with our politics in the turmoil they are now in. Normal rules of engagement just do not seem to exist! :o :o
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Maybe this sort of manoeuvring has always gone on but is more obvious now. Facebook media generation effect.
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The only way Farage could become PM is if he is leader of a political party that has a majority(or is the first to form a coalition) in the House of Commons. The Brexit party would need to go from none to about 250 MPs, pinching those from both Labour and the Conservatives, to manage that.
These are extraordinary times and I think this could happen. If not they certainly could become the 'Kingmakers'. ;)
While I wouldn't rule anything out, I think Kingmakers is the likely scenario of the two. I mean, who would have believed you 5yrs ago if you said the DUP would hold the whip hand in Westminster ::)
Daft food treatment processes aside, whoever is in No.10 after Brexit will be under massive pressure to do a deal, any deal with the US, because they will have just delivered Brexit and now have the singular goal of showing the plebs it's been a success.
In the trade negotiations, we would already be the weaker party being about 1/6th the size of their economy, added domestic pressure and a president whose whole administration is built on MAGA ensures we're going to be royally screwed over. Exactly as the majority voted for :y
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‘We will no longer deal with him’ great. Get him out get him replaced with a real one.
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Surely they can,t sack him, because who is going to supply the Ferrero Rochet. :o
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The guys a fu(king fool always has been.
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And his (possible accomplice)
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I want (them) hanged.
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The only way Farage could become PM is if he is leader of a political party that has a majority(or is the first to form a coalition) in the House of Commons. The Brexit party would need to go from none to about 250 MPs, pinching those from both Labour and the Conservatives, to manage that.
These are extraordinary times and I think this could happen. If not they certainly could become the 'Kingmakers'. ;)
While I wouldn't rule anything out, I think Kingmakers is the likely scenario of the two. I mean, who would have believed you 5yrs ago if you said the DUP would hold the whip hand in Westminster ::)
Daft food treatment processes aside, whoever is in No.10 after Brexit will be under massive pressure to do a deal, any deal with the US, because they will have just delivered Brexit and now have the singular goal of showing the plebs it's been a success.
In the trade negotiations, we would already be the weaker party being about 1/6th the size of their economy, added domestic pressure and a president whose whole administration is built on MAGA ensures we're going to be royally screwed over. Exactly as the majority voted for :y
Having done a lot of business in the 1980's & 90's in the US & Europe, I would choose the US over any country with a Mediterranean coastline everytime. Americans are tough negotiators & have overly long complex contracts, but they will stick to the contract & you will get paid. Germany, Benelux & Scandinavian countries were also okay to deal with, but everywhere else in Europe not so good in terms of them sticking to contracts & you getting paid. Japan was excellent & they really like the English & a two page contract works with their honour based system & I also found Canada, Australia & New Zealand excellent. Asia, Middle East & South America had various challenges but were also small markets.
In 2018 US exported $141bn to UK and we exported $121bn to them, so there is not a great difference in what we both export to each other which make a sensible FTA to grow exports for both countries a good result all round for both sets of politicians & with 2020 being a Trump election year & Boris as PM will be looking for a good Brexit dividend there is a bit of pressure on both sides for a good deal. The fact that Donald Trump & Boris Johnson get on well will help.
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A big fan of Hilary apparently. ::)
A staunch communist then :D
Yeah, I reckon the Russians are behind all this; blame them! :D :D ;)
Now this morning the government investigation into the leak is considering whether it has been caused by "a hostile State" ;)
Russia is considered a prime possibility which to me makes sense, and that is why I half jokingly suggested it. ;)
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....................has this got something to do with it? :
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48919085
:D ;)
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It would be convenient.
Is it not sad and worrying that another country has access to diplomatic emails.
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Our suicidal government have just given the ambassador their full backing, as Donald takes to twitter and ups the ante. We don't need Russia to be involved in a war, we can have one with our 'closest allies'. ;D
Watch out for sanctions.
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Is this bloke and his supporters so self unaware that he/ they cant see how ludicrous it is currently, for a representative of the UK to be calling the leadership of another country incompetent, inept and shambolic ? ::) ??? :o ;D
Our political class have made this country an international laughing stock over the last three years. >:(
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Is this bloke and his supporters so self unaware that he/ they cant see how ludicrous it is currently, for a representative of the UK to be calling the leadership of another country incompetent, inept and shambolic ? ::) ??? :o ;D
Our political class have made this country an international laughing stock over the last three years. >:(
Agreed 100%. :y
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It's an Ambassador's job to report back candidly on the situation in the country that he/she is stationed in. ::)
Why he felt compelled to state the bleeding obvious in writing is another matter! ;)
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It's an Ambassador's job to report back candidly on the situation in the country that he/she is stationed in. ::)
Why he felt compelled to state the bleeding obvious in writing is another matter! ;)
I'm definitely not saying that he's at fault. What I'm saying is that, after some treasonous bastard leaked the contents of his report, our government should have diplomatically tried to calm the situation, not pour oil on the fire.
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Litlejohn puts it nicely in his column today.One of the few things in the Mail that I read these days.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7226383/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-arrogant-civil-servants-Whitehall-NOT-know-whats-best-UK.html
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Is this bloke and his supporters so self unaware that he/ they cant see how ludicrous it is currently, for a representative of the UK to be calling the leadership of another country incompetent, inept and shambolic ? ::) ??? :o ;D
Our political class have made this country an international laughing stock over the last three years. >:(
Yep, and Trump is now excluding our guy from business meetings with other ambassadors, with the tweets from the President becoming more scathing by the minute!!
Great!! Now we have fallen out with the USA!! Bloody fools!! >:( >:( >:(
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Which presumably was the intention of whoever leaked.
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Which presumably was the intention of whoever leaked.
Oh yes!! ;)
That is why a 'hostile' state could easily be behind this, just as much of course as a very disgruntled individual within the government could be.
Will we ever know? Doubt it? ::) ::)
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Either an external hostile state, or someone from the internal hostile state. :)
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Either an external hostile state, or someone from the internal hostile state. :)
That, I believe certainly does exist! :(
Mind you, history has taught us that there are traitors always within, singerly or as a group! >:(
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See Reply #1 :)
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Whatever the rights and wrongs of it are, the ambassador will have to be replaced. The person who leaked it should spend time behind bars, but I doubt they will. No such thing as personal responsibility these days.
Why should the ambassador be replaced ??? Evaluating the foreign government and its personnel is a large part of his job! As is reporting back, as there's no point in doing that work otherwise.
The leaker is a different matter, but leaking is a politicians tool.
Simple. The leak has made his position untenable. He cant have a any kind of relationship with the Trump administration now.
May has announced this morning that she has full faith in him. That means he will be within 48 hours. by the end of the month. ;D
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Fixed. ::) ;D
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Our Ambassador in Washington has now resigned.
According to those who know, Boris failing to give him his support in that rubbish "debate" last night was the final thing that made him believe it was best he resigned.
Well done Boris ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Boris has already started to do damage >:( >:( >:(
Although, I must be fair and recognise the damage had been done and the Ambassador could really do nothing else. But guffing Boris, an ex-Foreign Secretary............really!!! :o :o :o
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His position was untenable anyway and he should have resigned before this row escalated. ;)
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His position was untenable anyway and he should have resigned before this row escalated. ;)
But for a member "our side" to fail to support him, and seen to do so, with Trump getting his way is not the way to go if you are a loyal Brit!
Even Corbyn has stood up in the House to express "his regret" that Kim has resigned ;)
So much for Boris standing up for Britain! ::) ::)
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It all bodes well.
Now we have Sir John Major threatening legal action against Boris if he doesn't toe the line.
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It's not his views that created the problem. It is the fact that his 'private obsevations' were leaked that has caused the shit to hit the fan.
The Americans will have their own information on the 'British administration'.......probably suggesting Theresa May is a lanky incompetent and dried up old crone who needs a good rogering.
Again, not a problem if such information is kept private. :)
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Bojo's response last night to this 'diplomatic spat' seems to suggest he would be happy for Trump to choose the next ambassador....... ::) ::) ::)
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He's done his job and given his honest opinion of the US Administration. Some ne're do well has deliberately leaked that information to either remove the ambassador or try to further destabilise the Government .....
and we go after the honest Ambassador and seemingly ignore the dishonest and illegal activities of the leaker.
Press Freedom ?? or protecting their own and, once again, "making" the news not "reporting" it.... easy headlines against honest reporting ???
Just shows what a pretty parlous state the media in this country has become.
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He's done his job and given his honest opinion of the US Administration. Some ne're do well has deliberately leaked that information to either remove the ambassador or try to further destabilise the Government .....
and we go after the honest Ambassador and seemingly ignore the dishonest and illegal activities of the leaker.
Press Freedom ?? or protecting their own and, once again, "making" the news not "reporting" it.... easy headlines against honest reporting ???
Just shows what a pretty parlous state the media in this country has become.
Yes.....who is the leaker?
Can't be that hard to locate......surely. :-\
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It all bodes well.
Now we have Sir John Major threatening legal action against Boris if he doesn't toe the line.
Yep, the nightmare has only just begun! ::) ::) ::)
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It all bodes well.
Now we have Sir John Major threatening legal action against Boris if he doesn't toe the line.
Yep, the nightmare has only just begun! ::) ::) ::)
Hardly failing to toe the line, more a truly staggering level of hypocrisy. My understanding was that a big part of the Brexiteer case, and BoJo's case specifically back in 2016 was that the UK parliament should be sovereign and be free to make the decisions that affect us all. But it seems that he's perfectly happy to sideline them, by whatever means necessary to get the outcome he wants, once he's in the driving seat ::).
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It all bodes well.
Now we have Sir John Major threatening legal action against Boris if he doesn't toe the line.
Yep, the nightmare has only just begun! ::) ::) ::)
Hardly failing to toe the line, more a truly staggering level of hypocrisy. My understanding was that a big part of the Brexiteer case, and BoJo's case specifically back in 2016 was that the UK parliament should be sovereign and be free to make the decisions that affect us all. But it seems that he's perfectly happy to sideline them, by whatever means necessary to get the outcome he wants, once he's in the driving seat ::).
It would be a disaster for Boris to sideline parliament for the reasons you have outlined.
However, he may argue the will of 17.4 million people is superior to the will of 650 MP's........and his views may prove popular with Brexit voters.
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Presumably he would have to ask permission from the Queen to suspend parliament. Can she so no? Would she say no?
More questions than answers.
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It all bodes well.
Now we have Sir John Major threatening legal action against Boris if he doesn't toe the line.
Yep, the nightmare has only just begun! ::) ::) ::)
Hardly failing to toe the line, more a truly staggering level of hypocrisy. My understanding was that a big part of the Brexiteer case, and BoJo's case specifically back in 2016 was that the UK parliament should be sovereign and be free to make the decisions that affect us all. But it seems that he's perfectly happy to sideline them, by whatever means necessary to get the outcome he wants, once he's in the driving seat ::).
It would be a disaster for Boris to sideline parliament for the reasons you have outlined.
However, he may argue the will of 17.4 million people is superior to the will of 650 MP's........and his views may prove popular with Brexit voters.
He may try that, but in any case, even leaving without a deal will mean he has to rely on the whole of Parliament to keep the country going, and legally pass all the bills that will be required to enact whatever post-Brexit legislation he wishes to lay down. Remember, the difference between the Remain vote and Leave was Just 3% from a turn-out of just 72%.
Without going through it all again which is a waste of time, we are just heading for a General Election as any new Government under Buffoon Boris will still be operating under a very slim majority, in fact none if the DUP and others fall away with their support for a Conservative Party in complete disarray. With Labour also in trouble, with the rest of British politics, the only way is a GE after a few months.
It will be bye bye Boris! ::) ::) ::)
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It will be bye bye Boris! ::) ::) ::)
And hopefully not Hello Corbyn.
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Major putting the boot in again, I had enough of that idiot last Tim round.
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Major putting the boot in again, I had enough of that idiot last Tim round.
He was a given a good kicking from Thatcher for the first few years of his premiership. His turn now. In fact, all PM's think they did a better job than their predecessor. Must be a vanity thing. :)
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Cameron will be along to give Boris a kicking very shortly. :)
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......perhaps a pig's head could be found. ::) ::)
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At this point, a decisive No Deal exit is the only workable course of action.
TM had to stand behind the Kim, but it was a moot gesture given the brevity of her position. Boris could, and perhaps should, have said nothing until assuming position and could have simply got the new FS to sack Kim if he hadn't already fallen on his sword.
As to the leaker, a quiet disappearance would be in order...
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Personally, I think all have behaved correctly, except the despicable leaker. Was their motive to weaken the UK government further or to try & cause a rift between Boris & Donald & the pending US-UK trade deal? Knowing that a diplomat's job is to bluntly advise their government, in confidence, which is what he did is fine, the problem is that being leaked & the damage that this has caused to US-UK relations, which made his position untennerable & he has quite rightly resigned. Boris saying nothing as our PM in waiting is also correct as to back the diplomat or Trump would have damaged his authority as PM with either the diplomatic corp or US-UK & Boris-Donald relationship.
When Boris becomes PM, his first task must be to restore government & party discipline. He should make it quite clear that the Tory party were all elected in the 2017 GE on a manifesto of implementing Brexit and no deal is better than a bad deal. He should make it clear that anybody that breaks this commitment & tries to undermine the government, from this point onwards, can consider their political career over as they will be deselected as a Tory party candidate at the next GE. Where May has set aside the deselections so far by local Tory party associations including my local turncoat MP, this needs to be reinstated for the next GE, where they are remainers in leave areas, if the Tories want to have a chance in retaining that seat.
Wanting to continue to keep your snout is the Westminster trough will have a powerful effect on those that continually undermine their own party, government & the UK's interests. Polling suggests that Boris will defeat Corbyn if they force a GE with a 40 seat majority & reduce the Brexit party success in the south. Labour now being the official party of remain & holding a second loser's referendum (when they lose again & again, will this then become the bast of 5,7,9,11,13,15....?) will really hit them hard in the north with their leave electorate majority with the Brexit Party being the new party of choice, where they would never have & never will vote Tory since the miner's strike.
Remain, left & MSM are all slagging off Boris as they know he will see Brexit over the line. MSM make no effort anymore to either report the facts reasonably impartially, so the viewer, listener or reader can make their own minds up, but just spew out a torrent of verbal diarrhea light in facts, but heavy in partisan propaganda, opinions & comments, mixed with speculation & innuendo. The end result is that newspaper circulation, radio listening & tv viewing figures (C4 down 8%) are all falling, where people either turn off from this or use alternative web based sources for news & information. More & more alternative sources are using YouTube & other video platforms to bypass the MSM & where they have done their best to ignore the Brexit Party they have now setup BrexitBox on YouTube.
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It all bodes well.
Now we have Sir John Major threatening legal action against Boris if he doesn't toe the line.
Yep, the nightmare has only just begun! ::) ::) ::)
Hardly failing to toe the line, more a truly staggering level of hypocrisy. My understanding was that a big part of the Brexiteer case, and BoJo's case specifically back in 2016 was that the UK parliament should be sovereign and be free to make the decisions that affect us all. But it seems that he's perfectly happy to sideline them, by whatever means necessary to get the outcome he wants, once he's in the driving seat ::).
Not hypocritical at all. Its parliament that's being hypocritical. The electorate took the decision to take away the powers from the EU our parliament had given to the EU, without our consent, and give them back to Parliament.
As soon as this process began, Parliament decided it didn't want the powers given back to it, despite the result of the vote, and that they would do all they could to prevent it from happening.
So, the Brexiteers are trying to stop Parliament from having the power to prevent all its previous powers being returned to it.
It could only happen in politics. ::)
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Personally, I think all have behaved correctly, except the despicable leaker. Was their motive to weaken the UK government further or to try & cause a rift between Boris & Donald & the pending US-UK trade deal? Knowing that a diplomat's job is to bluntly advise their government, in confidence, which is what he did is fine, the problem is that being leaked & the damage that this has caused to US-UK relations, which made his position untennerable & he has quite rightly resigned. Boris saying nothing as our PM in waiting is also correct as to back the diplomat or Trump would have damaged his authority as PM with either the diplomatic corp or US-UK & Boris-Donald relationship.
When Boris becomes PM, his first task must be to restore government & party discipline. He should make it quite clear that the Tory party were all elected in the 2017 GE on a manifesto of implementing Brexit and no deal is better than a bad deal. He should make it clear that anybody that breaks this commitment & tries to undermine the government, from this point onwards, can consider their political career over as they will be deselected as a Tory party candidate at the next GE. Where May has set aside the deselections so far by local Tory party associations including my local turncoat MP, this needs to be reinstated for the next GE, where they are remainers in leave areas, if the Tories want to have a chance in retaining that seat.
Wanting to continue to keep your snout is the Westminster trough will have a powerful effect on those that continually undermine their own party, government & the UK's interests. Polling suggests that Boris will defeat Corbyn if they force a GE with a 40 seat majority & reduce the Brexit party success in the south. Labour now being the official party of remain & holding a second loser's referendum (when they lose again & again, will this then become the bast of 5,7,9,11,13,15....?) will really hit them hard in the north with their leave electorate majority with the Brexit Party being the new party of choice, where they would never have & never will vote Tory since the miner's strike.
Remain, left & MSM are all slagging off Boris as they know he will see Brexit over the line. MSM make no effort anymore to either report the facts reasonably impartially, so the viewer, listener or reader can make their own minds up, but just spew out a torrent of verbal diarrhea light in facts, but heavy in partisan propaganda, opinions & comments, mixed with speculation & innuendo. The end result is that newspaper circulation, radio listening & tv viewing figures (C4 down 8%) are all falling, where people either turn off from this or use alternative web based sources for news & information. More & more alternative sources are using YouTube & other video platforms to bypass the MSM & where they have done their best to ignore the Brexit Party they have now setup BrexitBox on YouTube.
Awesome :y