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Re: Don't Remember !
« Reply #15 on: 08 March 2019, 18:56:26 »

I really feel for those who have lost loved ones. In this instance during an air show, but also throughout our time on this planet.

However, we are ALL human beings; flawed in so many ways, that often affects the people around us.  We live a life full of risk, and no matter what we do accidents / incidents if you like will happen.  Wars cost millions of lives. The likes of the Glenfell Tower disaster, the Hillsbough disaster cost far less lives, but are no less traumatic for those that lost loved ones. What these, and others cases were even one person is killed, can just be down to human failings.

We are not talking about delibarate acts of violence, like terrorist actions, although they COULD be done to human weakness, stupidity and illness. Accidents like Shoreham could of course be avoided, if, maybe, somehow, etc, etc, us humans could always act without error or evil.  But the truth is we are damn right flawed; always have been always will be.

So Andy Hill could have been jailed. But in an age where someone can drink, drive, have no insurance, no licence, and kill someone but get, after all is worked out by our poor justice system, 4 years actual time to be served, what good would a jail sentence for a human who made a terrible mistake or just became ill whilst flying an old jet, do? Make everyone feel better? Maybe, but it will NEVER bring back the 11.

In short we live lives that will terminate at some time. Maybe tomorrow, maybe in 95 years time. Our life is never guaranteed. In addition we are who we are; we love taking risks at one level or another. We would live boring, pointless lives if we didn't. Then to add to the mix we love mucking around with machines of all types, new and old, fascinated by the speed they do or how they can be pushed to the limit of the performance parameters, like with the old Hawker Hunter jet.

We are going to have accidents or absolute disasters. But we could stop that possibility. We could pass legislation to ban all risk, all competitive spirit, and for only computers to be allowed to control everything around us to stop all possibility of death..............

Oh, hang on we would still die from illness or natural causes by staying in a chair all day and "keeping safe".  Is that what we want? Well I certainly do not. Let me die as a living, breathing, taking risks, human being. :)

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Re: Don't Remember !
« Reply #16 on: 08 March 2019, 19:23:36 »

"Not talking about deliberate acts..."

He didn't accidentally fly the aircraft into that maneuver...

But we won't let the facts get in the way of a decent self pity party  :-X
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Re: Don't Remember !
« Reply #17 on: 08 March 2019, 19:45:12 »

Saw the pilot on the news this evening didn't look like a broken man to me, probably out now celebrating .
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« Reply #18 on: 08 March 2019, 19:46:48 »

He was found not guilty of the crime for which he was charged.I think that had the charge been worded differently[possibly making it less severe?]then he'd have been found guilty as he should have been.
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Re: Don't Remember !
« Reply #19 on: 08 March 2019, 20:07:27 »

"Not talking about deliberate acts..."

He didn't accidentally fly the aircraft into that maneuver...

But we won't let the facts get in the way of a decent self pity party  :-X

A jury, who have listened to the specialists qualified to advice on the many aspects of this case, and were aware of extensive evidence about what actually happened, found him not guilty.

For us not in that court throughout this case can not make any further meaningful judgement.
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Re: Don't Remember !
« Reply #20 on: 08 March 2019, 20:11:34 »

"Not talking about deliberate acts..."

He didn't accidentally fly the aircraft into that maneuver...

But we won't let the facts get in the way of a decent self pity party  :-X

A jury, who have listened to the specialists qualified to advice on the many aspects of this case, and were aware of extensive evidence about what actually happened, found him not guilty.

For us not in that court throughout this case can not make any further meaningful judgement.
Not possible if the AAIB findings were inadmissible :-X

Which is almost as convenient as memory loss, especially when the only fault with the aircraft was the person flying it.
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« Reply #21 on: 08 March 2019, 20:22:16 »

The pilot in my eyes is the lowest of the low ,not a man he is pure scum who should have been jailed, he took innocent lives by behaving like a c**t.
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Re: Don't Remember !
« Reply #22 on: 09 March 2019, 12:28:57 »


Not possible if the AAIB findings were inadmissible :-X

Which is almost as convenient as memory loss, especially when the only fault with the aircraft was the person flying it.

The AIIB are there to improve safety not apportion responsibility. If they immediately turned over everything they learnt to the courts / police at the first sign of litigation, I'm guessing they'd get minimal support from the stakeholders they rely on. Has always been thus.

Besides, the AAIB report contains very little of interest other than that the aircraft did what it did by manipulation of the controls rather than bits falling off it. Something that I'm sure the evidence presented to the trial will have independently established.

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Re: Don't Remember !
« Reply #23 on: 09 March 2019, 12:32:10 »

Apparently the jury didn't see it that way :-X
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