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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Mr.OmegaMan on 22 April 2017, 06:32:50
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...Bilstein B4 (front) shocks? Also what springs should I go for?
I did consider looking into B6 but they'd probably be overkill, Plus paying a fair few more £££ compared to the B4, Yet no doubt the cornering ability would be much more responsive with the B6! But then again a new set of B4 should be more than good enough especially with the condition of the roads, Even the B4 should feel pretty solid compared to the worn out units they'll be replacing that are like a bouncy castle.
The current shocks from what I can tell (barely) the label/s have worn are seem to say Sachs/GM possibly the original and at over 200k...
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Balance Motorsport.
Eibach Springs get my thumbs up, MV6 LSC and Irmscher only available second hand.
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Balance Motorsport.
Eibach Springs get my thumbs up, MV6 LSC and Irmscher only available second hand.
And a full set will soon be available at my local scrapyard ;D
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Balance Motorsport.
Eibach Springs get my thumbs up, MV6 LSC and Irmscher only available second hand.
And a full set will soon be available at my local scrapyard ;D
Not bothering to pull it off? Not much else of value really
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Any good ?
http://www.europerformance.co.uk/pages/products/product_info.mhtml?product=262866;car=vauxhallomega
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Balance Motorsport.
Eibach Springs get my thumbs up, MV6 LSC and Irmscher only available second hand.
And a full set will soon be available at my local scrapyard ;D
Not bothering to pull it off? Not much else of value really
I've chrisgixer has already swapped over the front and rear suspension between the Bullet and TBE, in the hope that it will solve TBE's highly strung handling oddities. If TBE can handle like the Bullet, I'll not be quite so sad to see the Bullet go :'(
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Balance Motorsport.
Eibach Springs get my thumbs up, MV6 LSC and Irmscher only available second hand.
And a full set will soon be available at my local scrapyard ;D
Not bothering to pull it off? Not much else of value really
I've chrisgixer has already swapped over the front and rear suspension between the Bullet and TBE, in the hope that it will solve TBE's highly strung handling oddities. If TBE can handle like the Bullet, I'll not be quite so sad to see the Bullet go :'(
Oh, that explains the odd text I got. I think you broke him... He's gone very quiet about doing a swap between mine :-X ::)
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Balance Motorsport.
Eibach Springs get my thumbs up, MV6 LSC and Irmscher only available second hand.
And a full set will soon be available at my local scrapyard ;D
Not bothering to pull it off? Not much else of value really
I've chrisgixer has already swapped over the front and rear suspension between the Bullet and TBE, in the hope that it will solve TBE's highly strung handling oddities. If TBE can handle like the Bullet, I'll not be quite so sad to see the Bullet go :'(
Oh, that explains the odd text I got. I think you broke him... He's gone very quiet about doing a swap between mine :-X ::)
Embarrassingly, I did have to leave him to do the rear on his own, as I was properly broken :-[
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I think its time to change the forum name to OFF - Old Farts Forum. ;D
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Balance Motorsport.
Eibach Springs get my thumbs up, MV6 LSC and Irmscher only available second hand.
These Eibach springs?
https://balancemotorsport.co.uk/eibach-pro-kit-springs-vauxhall-omega-b-25-26-27-03-94-07-03-front-axle-up-to-1080kg-e6532-140-1047.html
The only downside with these would be the 30mm lowering of the car, As it's already catching on the drive a little with the standard ride height.
Are there any stiffer springs that don't lower the car?
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BILSTEIN B3 Springs any good, They appear to be normal ride height?
https://balancemotorsport.co.uk/bilstein-b3-front-spring-vauxhall-omega-b-25-26-27-2-5-dti-2-6-v6-3-2-v6-02-01-07-03-36-134045-2219.html
https://balancemotorsport.co.uk/bilstein-b3-rear-spring-vauxhall-omega-b-25-26-27-2-0-dti-16v-2-2-16v-2-2-dti-16v-2-5-dti-2-5-v6-2-6-v6-3-0-v6-3-2-v6-04-94-07-03-38-130304-4943.html
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Balance Motorsport.
Eibach Springs get my thumbs up, MV6 LSC and Irmscher only available second hand.
These Eibach springs?
https://balancemotorsport.co.uk/eibach-pro-kit-springs-vauxhall-omega-b-25-26-27-03-94-07-03-front-axle-up-to-1080kg-e6532-140-1047.html
The only downside with these would be the 30mm lowering of the car, As it's already catching on the drive a little with the standard ride height.
Are there any stiffer springs that don't lower the car?
If you have standard suspension, what is catching? That may imply you have another issue?
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Balance Motorsport.
Eibach Springs get my thumbs up, MV6 LSC and Irmscher only available second hand.
These Eibach springs?
https://balancemotorsport.co.uk/eibach-pro-kit-springs-vauxhall-omega-b-25-26-27-03-94-07-03-front-axle-up-to-1080kg-e6532-140-1047.html
The only downside with these would be the 30mm lowering of the car, As it's already catching on the drive a little with the standard ride height.
Are there any stiffer springs that don't lower the car?
If you have standard suspension, what is catching? That may imply you have another issue?
It's mainly due to the shape of the drive it's not a smooth gradual inclined driveway, There's a point where the center of longer cars such as the Omega say compared to a Corsa/Astra can occasionally just catch a little, On the Omega it's the exhaust mainly due to it being one of those 2 into one systems that doesn't fit like the original system... Anyway, Lowering the car isn't an option tbh.... It doesn't always catch as it is now but it's definitely going to be an issue if lowered 30mm.
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If you have standard suspension, what is catching? That may imply you have another issue?
I replaced my 17 year-old 186,00mile stock Elite springs three months ago, and the front of the car came up nearly 30mm! These were £90 delivered for all four. It now rides properly, rather than just hammering into bumps.
It had new Sachs struts about 5 years ago, and stock air shocks on the back in 2015. Stiffer springs/shocks on an ordinary road going saloon are just unpleasant.
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Balance Motorsport.
Eibach Springs get my thumbs up, MV6 LSC and Irmscher only available second hand.
These Eibach springs?
https://balancemotorsport.co.uk/eibach-pro-kit-springs-vauxhall-omega-b-25-26-27-03-94-07-03-front-axle-up-to-1080kg-e6532-140-1047.html
The only downside with these would be the 30mm lowering of the car, As it's already catching on the drive a little with the standard ride height.
Are there any stiffer springs that don't lower the car?
Plod springs... Work with self levelling... Killen also do HD standard height springs... Linked to recently in this section :y
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Here's an interesting little video. Mine is about the same on the front, You can easily bounce the front with one hand without much pressure.
https://youtu.be/P_lzuQlPMqA
...Cornering is interesting to say the least and as Nick mentions 'hammering into bumps'... It's okay in a straight line on a smooth surface... But how often do you come across such a road.
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Balance Motorsport.
Eibach Springs get my thumbs up, MV6 LSC and Irmscher only available second hand.
These Eibach springs?
https://balancemotorsport.co.uk/eibach-pro-kit-springs-vauxhall-omega-b-25-26-27-03-94-07-03-front-axle-up-to-1080kg-e6532-140-1047.html
The only downside with these would be the 30mm lowering of the car, As it's already catching on the drive a little with the standard ride height.
Are there any stiffer springs that don't lower the car?
Plod springs... Work with self levelling... Killen also do HD standard height springs... Linked to recently in this section :y
Self levelling suspension has long gone, The previous owner replaced with standard rear KYB shocks if I recall, I did however put Sachs rear shocks/springs on the rear a few years ago seen as the KYB were leaking/failed MOT. Front seem to be on the original Sachs.
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Rears, Sachs and Killen HD springs :y
Fronts, same springs if you get them, but B4s will be fine :y
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I did have a look but couldn't find any Kilen 'HD' just the ordinary ones?
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I did have a look but couldn't find any Kilen 'HD' just the ordinary ones?
Shop around and compare details... Stock aftermarket typically 17mm and 5/6 coils... Killen ones 18mm and 6/7 coils...
Recent thread links to both and differences stand out :y
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If you have standard suspension, what is catching? That may imply you have another issue?
I replaced my 17 year-old 186,00mile stock Elite springs three months ago, and the front of the car came up nearly 30mm! These were £90 delivered for all four. It now rides properly, rather than just hammering into bumps.
It had new Sachs struts about 5 years ago, and stock air shocks on the back in 2015. Stiffer springs/shocks on an ordinary road going saloon are just unpleasant.
Last year I replaced my standard 125K mile springs with Eibach -30s and the car dropped 10mm at the front and 5mm at the back so the numbers don't mean a great deal. I also have an occasional catch of the exhaust over the edge of the driveway but have learned the angle that avoids it - or to ask the wife to get out first... The ride quality, by the way is superb with good quality dampers and correct settings. All of the smoothness, none of the wallow and decent body control for an old barge. Can't speak for nastier cheaper less well engineered stuff though.
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I recently fitted plod spec springs & dampers on the front of mine, plus Monaro top mounts and polybushed wishbones, and I absolutely love the way it drives now. 8) :)
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I recently fitted plod spec springs & dampers on the front of mine, plus Monaro top mounts and polybushed wishbones, and I absolutely love the way it drives now. 8) :)
A well sorted Omega is a hard car to beat, managing that holy grail of pretty capable handling with an excellent ride
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Just need to get the wheels aligned now and I fear I may turn into a boy racer again. ::) ;D
I did worry a bit that the mods would turn it into something which disturbed my fillings, but even on the local bumpy lanes, the ride is still perfectly acceptable, but the front end is really flat and firm on the twisties. :)
Had to drive it to work this evening, as the 190 is displaying symptoms of having half a chip or a lump of chicken skin jammed in the outlet at the bottom of the fuel tank. ;D
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I recently fitted plod spec springs & dampers on the front of mine, plus Monaro top mounts and polybushed wishbones, and I absolutely love the way it drives now. 8) :)
A well sorted Omega is a hard car to beat, managing that holy grail of pretty capable handling with an excellent ride
Even an estate 8)
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The suspension on mine is past it too as I can bounce the front with very little effort and the rear shocks are leaking/knackered as well. and my driveway is uneven and the towbar catches on the pavement when I reverse in and the front bumper catches also. and when I drive in facing in towards the house the exhaust scrapes badly on the floor.
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Almost forgot... What would be the best top mounts be for the front? Some searching on OOF I found these? Presumably they fit the Omega also..
http://www.monkfishperformance.com/info-vauxhall-monaro-cv8-57-parts
http://www.monkfishperformance.com/info-vauxhall-monaro-cv8-57-parts
or
Is there another alternative that isn't as expensive that are considered good enough?
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All German - Lemforder?
http://www.allgermanparts.co.uk/default/car-parts/lemforder-part-number-31371-01.html
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Pedders Heavy duty Monaro is ultimate... Especially if fitting heavy duty or lowered springs :y
Top mounts and bearings are two of the very few components that the two cars officially share ;)
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What would be considered the next best (cheaper) than the Pedders? If it comes down to it i'll just bite the bullet and get the Pedders. But they do work out to be the same price I paid for the Bilstein B4 shocks. The Kilen springs where £80. But if they truly are that good then it'll help justify the cost!.... How about the Lemforder ones from All German Parts? I know this brand has been questioned by a few members with concerns about quality not being as good as they once where etc..
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I initially fitted Febi to my B4s... First decent pothole opposed the driver's side one >:( should have fitted the Pedders ones from get go, especially with lowered springs...
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It's one of the reasons Omegas are so cheap... Either spend a grand sorting the suspension completely or do a set of tyres every 800-1000 miles...
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Pedders it is then :y
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Just to confirm, On the Monk Fish website it's the top mount priced £26.32 and bearing priced £26.69 that I need / fit the Omega..
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Just to confirm, On the Monk Fish website it's the top mount priced £26.32 and bearing priced £26.69 that I need / fit the Omega..
Bearing isn't heavy duty, and can be sourced elsewhere if that helps with pricing ;) But yes, you need both :y
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I believe so, although the bearings can be bought for around half that from ATP. I would warn though that ATP took almost 3 weeks to deliver the bearings to me, so if your in a bit of a hurry best to pay the extra and order them with the top mounts. :y
Ive recently done all this work, but using plod springs & dampers. You will probably be surprised how much stiffer the front of your car is when all the new bits are bolted on.
Don't forget wheel alignment afterwards. I still need to get his done, hopefully next week.
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I recently fitted plod spec springs & dampers on the front of mine, plus Monaro top mounts and polybushed wishbones, and I absolutely love the way it drives now. 8) :)
A well sorted Omega is a hard car to beat, managing that holy grail of pretty capable handling with an excellent ride
Even an estate 8)
I've yet to drive an Omega Estate that handles in a way I'd be happy with :'(
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Must have been the tyres ::)
Seriously I think either that car or my black one were as good as the estate gets... I suspect that it's purely due to the angle of the shocks and the marginally higher weight... Saloon shocks operate vertically whereas estates sit at around 70 degrees, creating a fulcrum point in the centre of the boot roof :-\