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Title: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: STEMO on 22 October 2019, 15:49:47
I'm half thinking about changing my astra, have been for a while now. I want another estate, diesel, auto. Looking on the trader, I came across a nice looking 64 plate jaaaaaaag. XF 2.2 TD Sportbrake auto. Then I got to the tech specs. It's less powerful (both bhp and torque) than my astra and is slower to 60! It's even got the green and red sport badge on the rear and steering wheel.  :o
Disappointed.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 October 2019, 17:48:41
An XFR-S sportbrake might fit the bill.

Petrol......obviously. :y

Sadly most are a horrible shade of French blue.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 October 2019, 17:50:55
https://youtu.be/goReWJ3MjVE (https://youtu.be/goReWJ3MjVE)

There you go. All sorted now. :y
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Andy B on 22 October 2019, 18:49:50
https://youtu.be/goReWJ3MjVE (https://youtu.be/goReWJ3MjVE)

There you go. All sorted now. :y

0 to 60 mph in 4.6 secs and top end of 186mph ..... and they asked questions in Parliament when Vauxhall released  the Lotus Carlton!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 22 October 2019, 19:29:58
https://youtu.be/goReWJ3MjVE (https://youtu.be/goReWJ3MjVE)

There you go. All sorted now. :y

0 to 60 mph in 4.6 secs and top end of 186mph ..... and they asked questions in Parliament when Vauxhall released  the Lotus Carlton!  ;D ;D
So much for progress ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: STEMO on 22 October 2019, 19:35:00
Well...this 2.2 diesel is not even as quick as my astra, as I said:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201910173403723?sort=relevance&advertising-location=at_cars&transmission=Automatic&keywords=Sportbrake&postcode=s728dw&make=JAGUAR&radius=80&price-from=500&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&fuel-type=Diesel&page=1
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: STEMO on 22 October 2019, 19:35:54
There is a 200bhp version, though  ::)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 October 2019, 19:45:20
Well...this 2.2 diesel is not even as quick as my astra, as I said:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201910173403723?sort=relevance&advertising-location=at_cars&transmission=Automatic&keywords=Sportbrake&postcode=s728dw&make=JAGUAR&radius=80&price-from=500&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&fuel-type=Diesel&page=1

Pop the back seat down and you have a hearse. :)

The diesel drone will cover  the sound of the crying relatives.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Kevin Wood on 22 October 2019, 19:51:10
I suspect my 4 pot turbo petrol jag would have Sir Lyons spinning in his grave so do the old chap a favour and banish any thoughts about getting a soot chucker. ::)

As you've probably found, the R sport badge is just a trim level. Oxymoron models are available. :y

That said, I'd bet the overall driving experience would make the Astra seem quite agricultural notwithstanding the performance on paper. ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: STEMO on 22 October 2019, 20:03:40
I suspect my 4 pot turbo petrol jag would have Sir Lyons spinning in his grave so do the old chap a favour and banish any thoughts about getting a soot chucker. ::)

As you've probably found, the R sport badge is just a trim level. Oxymoron models are available. :y

That said, I'd bet the overall driving experience would make the Astra seem quite agricultural notwithstanding the performance on paper. ;D
Agreed, chalk and cheese. I just can't see the point in anyone buying such a weedy jag.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 October 2019, 20:12:36
Still a Jaaaag innit!  :y

And the neighbours would be impressed....  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: STEMO on 22 October 2019, 20:22:57
Still a Jaaaag innit!  :y

And the neighbours would be impressed....  ::)  ;D
Nah. The Asian lad from the corner shop would laugh at it. He's got an AMG 63.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 October 2019, 21:38:49
Still a Jaaaag innit!  :y

And the neighbours would be impressed....  ::)  ;D
Nah. The Asian lad from the corner shop would laugh at it. He's got an AMG 63.

Must have sold a shit load of drugs to afford that. :)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 22 October 2019, 21:51:18
Can't beat a good stereotype...  ::)

 ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Andy B on 22 October 2019, 23:11:51
Can't beat a good stereotype...  ::)

 ;D

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: aaronjb on 23 October 2019, 07:53:44
Agreed, chalk and cheese. I just can't see the point in anyone buying such a weedy jag.

Company car tax rates, I imagine - at least that's the reason the dealer gave to me for the base model diesel engine & spec being the most popular at the time, was (this was a few years back)..

Can't beat a good stereotype...  ::)

 ;D

He lives in Barnsley, they're all honest as the day is long, up there. If it was Rotherham, on the other hand... ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 23 October 2019, 09:30:42
Looking into the future (or the present, really) the 'sad' Chevy Bolt does the 0-60 dashin 6.5 seconds, the 'lardy SUV' Jag i-pace in 4.5 and the 'big fat saloon' Teslas in as little as 2.4 seconds!

I actually wonder if in all real terms the idea of choosing a car on how fast / responsive etc it is will actually effectively become a thing of the past. All of the above wipe the floor with a 3.0 Omega as does many a 4 cylinder hatchback of today. That's the problem with buying a 'fast' car - it's a constantly sliding scale.

There's a dozen other reasons to buy a car - running costs, looks and not to mention the feel of the interior and driving experience - all of those I'm tempted to say a Jag is second to none. And that feel doesn't ever date, a gorgeous interior with nice features is still a gorgeous interior 30 years later. If you like the car, right feel, right price, etc how much does the engine really matter? Just playing devil's advocate  :)

(https://external-preview.redd.it/8zOCrvaFKUL2hKQ9Ps9Wgv5qGVVWa1iP0eAD6HhWmuU.jpg?auto=webp&s=7bfb99cea3f48138d8f5361104159ed123adaf77)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Nick W on 23 October 2019, 11:26:24
I suspect my 4 pot turbo petrol jag would have Sir Lyons spinning in his grave so do the old chap a favour and banish any thoughts about getting a soot chucker. ::)

As you've probably found, the R sport badge is just a trim level. Oxymoron models are available. :y

That said, I'd bet the overall driving experience would make the Astra seem quite agricultural notwithstanding the performance on paper. ;D
Agreed, chalk and cheese. I just can't see the point in anyone buying such a weedy jag.


The small XK engined Jags or 2.5l Daimlers were hardly fireballs. Jags were always intended to be effortless; the bigger engined ones did that in addition to being fast.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Rangie on 23 October 2019, 11:56:49
I suspect my 4 pot turbo petrol jag would have Sir Lyons spinning in his grave so do the old chap a favour and banish any thoughts about getting a soot chucker. ::)

As you've probably found, the R sport badge is just a trim level. Oxymoron models are available. :y

That said, I'd bet the overall driving experience would make the Astra seem quite agricultural notwithstanding the performance on paper. ;D
Agreed, chalk and cheese. I just can't see the point in anyone buying such a weedy jag.


The small XK engined Jags or 2.5l Daimlers were hardly fireballs. Jags were always intended to be effortless; the bigger engined ones did that in addition to being fast.
.   


A diesel Jag just doesn't do it for me.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 October 2019, 12:20:38
Agreed, chalk and cheese. I just can't see the point in anyone buying such a weedy jag.

Company car tax rates, I imagine - at least that's the reason the dealer gave to me for the base model diesel engine & spec being the most popular at the time, was (this was a few years back)..

Can't beat a good stereotype...  ::)

 ;D

He lives in Barnsley, they're all honest as the day is long, up there. If it was Rotherham, on the other hand... ;D


Too much time pimping vulnerable underage girls for money. Don't have time to sell drugs. The police looked the other way. :-X
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 October 2019, 17:17:03
Well...this 2.2 diesel is not even as quick as my astra, as I said:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201910173403723?sort=relevance&advertising-location=at_cars&transmission=Automatic&keywords=Sportbrake&postcode=s728dw&make=JAGUAR&radius=80&price-from=500&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&fuel-type=Diesel&page=1

125000 miles.....so probably 'donald ducked'

There will be black babies falling out of trees in Africa every time that is started. :)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: STEMO on 23 October 2019, 17:24:35
You can tell how polluting the car is by the tax. That one is £125pa.....yours is?  ::)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: STEMO on 23 October 2019, 17:29:48
Or should I say.......yours are?  ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: STEMO on 23 October 2019, 17:31:03
That must really boil your piss.....over £1000 to tax two cars.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: STEMO on 23 October 2019, 17:43:48
I know you're there. Go on........cry  ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 October 2019, 17:46:00
That must really boil your piss.....over £1000 to tax two cars.  ;D ;D ;D

Yes.....it does boil my piss.

It's actually almost £1200 not £1000. :-\

I suppose it's worth it to keep a future classic like the Signum alive. :)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: STEMO on 23 October 2019, 17:47:35
That must really boil your piss.....over £1000 to tax two cars.  ;D ;D ;D

Yes.....it does boil my piss.

It's actually almost £1200 not £1000. :-\

I suppose it's worth it to keep a future classic like the Signum alive. :)
You could buy a decent sigmund with that


I'm loving this  ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 October 2019, 17:49:17
I suspect my 4 pot turbo petrol jag would have Sir Lyons spinning in his grave so do the old chap a favour and banish any thoughts about getting a soot chucker. ::)

As you've probably found, the R sport badge is just a trim level. Oxymoron models are available. :y

That said, I'd bet the overall driving experience would make the Astra seem quite agricultural notwithstanding the performance on paper. ;D

The voice of sanity. :)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: STEMO on 23 October 2019, 17:51:13
I suspect my 4 pot turbo petrol jag would have Sir Lyons spinning in his grave so do the old chap a favour and banish any thoughts about getting a soot chucker. ::)

As you've probably found, the R sport badge is just a trim level. Oxymoron models are available. :y

That said, I'd bet the overall driving experience would make the Astra seem quite agricultural notwithstanding the performance on paper. ;D

The voice of sanity. :)
Reposting oldies. Can't you stick up for yourself, lad?  ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 October 2019, 17:51:32
That must really boil your piss.....over £1000 to tax two cars.  ;D ;D ;D

Yes.....it does boil my piss.

It's actually almost £1200 not £1000. :-\

I suppose it's worth it to keep a future classic like the Signum alive. :)
You could buy a decent sigmund with that


I'm loving this  ;D

The majority run on derv so have little value. The 2.8 Turbo V6 petrol being the exception (if you can find one) :)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: STEMO on 23 October 2019, 17:55:46
That must really boil your piss.....over £1000 to tax two cars.  ;D ;D ;D

Yes.....it does boil my piss.

It's actually almost £1200 not £1000. :-\

I suppose it's worth it to keep a future classic like the Signum alive. :)
You could buy a decent sigmund with that


I'm loving this  ;D

The majority run on derv so have little value. The 2.8 Turbo V6 petrol being the exception (if you can find one) :)
Of course you can't find one. Have you seen the road tax on them?  ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 23 October 2019, 18:00:48
That must really boil your piss.....over £1000 to tax two cars.  ;D ;D ;D

Yes.....it does boil my piss.

It's actually almost £1200 not £1000. :-\

I suppose it's worth it to keep a future classic like the Signum alive. :)
You could buy a decent sigmund with that


I'm loving this  ;D

The majority run on derv so have little value. The 2.8 Turbo V6 petrol being the exception (if you can find one) :)
Of course you can't find one. Have you seen the road tax on them? ;D

Of course he hasn't!  ::)  He has 'people' who take care of minor details like that sort of thing.  :)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: STEMO on 23 October 2019, 18:04:04
That must really boil your piss.....over £1000 to tax two cars.  ;D ;D ;D

Yes.....it does boil my piss.

It's actually almost £1200 not £1000. :-\

I suppose it's worth it to keep a future classic like the Signum alive. :)
You could buy a decent sigmund with that


I'm loving this  ;D

The majority run on derv so have little value. The 2.8 Turbo V6 petrol being the exception (if you can find one) :)
Here's one for little more than your annual tax:
https://www.freeads.co.uk/uk/buy-sell/motors/cars/vauxhall/35890155/vauxhall-vectra-v6-turbo-2009-low-71k-sept-mot/view?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=newsnow&utm_campaign=Motors


Oops, sorry, that's the superior vectra.  :)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 October 2019, 18:38:32
Nice motor for the money. :)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: ronnyd on 23 October 2019, 18:59:36
Why do leather seats in some higher milers look like soggy sacks?
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 October 2019, 19:19:29
Why do leather seats in some higher milers look like soggy sacks?
Crap materials and crap owners ;)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: biggriffin on 24 October 2019, 11:06:07
Still a Jaaaag innit!  :y

And the neighbours would be impressed....  ::)  ;D
Nah. The Asian lad from the corner shop would laugh at it. He's got an AMG 63.


Must be a cornershop owners car, as my local has AMG63 too.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: BazaJT on 26 October 2019, 08:09:39
My local "cornershop" owner recently swapped his Range Rover for a W12 Bentley saloon!
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: biggriffin on 26 October 2019, 10:06:35
My local "cornershop" owner recently swapped his Range Rover for a W12 Bentley saloon!

There's money in selling fake vodka and counterfeit fags. :)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 26 October 2019, 14:22:59
Or using a corner shop as a front for drug running, and or money laundering.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: dave the builder on 26 October 2019, 14:51:30
surely the multiple fake social security claims from the shop is enough to run a thirsty Merc without the need to subsidize it with black market sales or such like  :-\
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: TheBoy on 27 October 2019, 09:34:50
Must be a cornershop owners car, as my local has AMG63 too.
Every bugger around these parts run AMG badged Mercs, and drive like all Merc drivers (ie, gormless).

I suspect most aren't real AMGs, just a trim pack, like BMW's M-Sport, Audi's S-Line and so on.  But them most Merc owners seem to struggle with the power they have* in their weedy, underpowered diesels, so probably just as well they don't have proper ones ;D



*Or have come to realise how poor the C/E class chassis is, and have already shat themselves.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: TheBoy on 27 October 2019, 09:39:51
I'm half thinking about changing my astra, have been for a while now. I want another estate, diesel, auto. Looking on the trader, I came across a nice looking 64 plate jaaaaaaag. XF 2.2 TD Sportbrake auto. Then I got to the tech specs. It's less powerful (both bhp and torque) than my astra and is slower to 60! It's even got the green and red sport badge on the rear and steering wheel.  :o
Disappointed.
That old 2.2 diesel also has a reputation for getting nowhere near its claimed MPG.  The XF saloon is the same weight as the Omega at 1.8t, not sure without looking on the weight of the Estate.  Its a bit underpowered.  Clearly, if it must be a soot chucker, the V6 diesel is the one to have.  Actually, the V6 -S badged ones.

Beware, the early 8 speed ZF gearboxes are known to be weak (much like the early 6 speed ZF), and on the XF, around 2012 is the changeover point to 8 speed.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: TheBoy on 27 October 2019, 09:43:02
Clearly, if it must be a soot chucker, the V6 diesel is the one to have.  Actually, the V6 -S badged ones.
The non S V6 soot chucker is 235ish bhp
The S V6 soot chucker is 275ish bhp (up to about 2016ish, when it became 300)

Tax is the same, claimed economy is the same. Why would anyone buy the half-arsed one?  The more powerful one has 600Nm of torque as well, which will rip the tarmac from the road.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Kevin Wood on 28 October 2019, 22:05:22
Must be a cornershop owners car, as my local has AMG63 too.
Every bugger around these parts run AMG badged Mercs, and drive like all Merc drivers (ie, gormless).

I suspect most aren't real AMGs, just a trim pack, like BMW's M-Sport, Audi's S-Line and so on.  But them most Merc owners seem to struggle with the power they have* in their weedy, underpowered diesels, so probably just as well they don't have proper ones ;D



*Or have come to realise how poor the C/E class chassis is, and have already shat themselves.

Most of them are in their senior years, so this isn't something they are unaccustomed to. ;)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: tunnie on 04 November 2019, 10:33:14
Clearly, if it must be a soot chucker, the V6 diesel is the one to have.  Actually, the V6 -S badged ones.
The non S V6 soot chucker is 235ish bhp
The S V6 soot chucker is 275ish bhp (up to about 2016ish, when it became 300)

Tax is the same, claimed economy is the same. Why would anyone buy the half-arsed one?  The more powerful one has 600Nm of torque as well, which will rip the tarmac from the road.

This is the problem, the only XF you can buy in my view is the XF-S. I sat in a few of the latest shapes XF's but the lower spec R-Sport or 2.0 ones did not have much adjustment in the seats, no electrical tilt.

The XF-S has more adjustment in the seats (no doubt an option on others) but makes it harder to find examples.

You need to spend £17-20k ish to get something half decent.

The seats in the SRi Mummy bus (MV6 cloth style) were far more supportive than any of the Jaaaags.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: TheBoy on 04 November 2019, 17:12:40
Certainly the 20way seats in my one, also available in the XF, were more comfortable than any Zaf I've been in, though maybe I got the setting just right :)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 November 2019, 17:37:00
Certainly the 20way seats in my one, also available in the XF, were more comfortable than any Zaf I've been in, though maybe I got the setting just right :)

Yep......although once set you never use the millions of combinations available.

Much like the washing machine. It has about 20 setting but 19 have probably never been used.

Put the clock right this afternoon. Much like the satnav it is powered by coal or steam. :-\
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: TheBoy on 04 November 2019, 17:39:54
Put the clock right this afternoon. Much like the satnav it is powered by coal or steam. :-\
Cant fault the Nav in mine, but the clock is inexcusable.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: tunnie on 04 November 2019, 19:21:50
Certainly the 20way seats in my one, also available in the XF, were more comfortable than any Zaf I've been in, though maybe I got the setting just right :)

But your short arse, properly sized people like me at 6ft5 find most seats lacking in thigh support.

The extending front part in the SRI trim, are very comfortable and supportive.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: TheBoy on 04 November 2019, 19:24:13
Certainly the 20way seats in my one, also available in the XF, were more comfortable than any Zaf I've been in, though maybe I got the setting just right :)

But your short arse, properly sized people like me at 6ft5 find most seats lacking in thigh support.

The extending front part in the SRI trim, are very comfortable and supportive.
No, Lanky, I'm normal. In every way.

;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 04 November 2019, 19:33:13
For proper seats full memory beats partial electric beats manual.

The Zafira isn't comfortable because of the seats per se, but rather the relative vertical distance between the thigh and the floor.

This is one of the larger disappointments of the Trolley. The seat is no higher off the floor than the Omega.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: tunnie on 04 November 2019, 19:33:47
Certainly the 20way seats in my one, also available in the XF, were more comfortable than any Zaf I've been in, though maybe I got the setting just right :)

But your short arse, properly sized people like me at 6ft5 find most seats lacking in thigh support.

The extending front part in the SRI trim, are very comfortable and supportive.
No, Lanky, I'm normal. In every way.

;D

In other news flying pigs just took off from my close.  ;D

Seriously though, I put these seats on par with Elite cloth. Huge drives to Ireland and back and no issues with back pain , super comfy.

Hence I kept it for myself.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: VXL V6 on 04 November 2019, 20:10:08
Certainly the 20way seats in my one, also available in the XF, were more comfortable than any Zaf I've been in, though maybe I got the setting just right :)

But your short arse, properly sized people like me at 6ft5 find most seats lacking in thigh support.

The extending front part in the SRI trim, are very comfortable and supportive.
No, Lanky, I'm normal. In every way.

;D

This is why I like having the base of the Elite seat tilted  so I sit / sink into it and it takes the slack up in my legs! I can get the perfect driving position in an Elite, the same can't be said for Mrs VXL's Astra.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 04 November 2019, 20:17:41
Again, the difference between being able to adjust the seat almost infinitely vs 3/4" spaced notches :y
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 04 November 2019, 23:38:04
Certainly the 20way seats in my one, also available in the XF, were more comfortable than any Zaf I've been in, though maybe I got the setting just right :)

But your short arse, properly sized people like me at 6ft5 find most seats lacking in thigh support.

The extending front part in the SRI trim, are very comfortable and supportive.
No, Lanky, I'm normal. In every way.

;D

This is why I like having the base of the Elite seat tilted  so I sit / sink into it and it takes the slack up in my legs! I can get the perfect driving position in an Elite, the same can't be said for Mrs VXL's Astra.

I have mine adjusted the same way and it suits me just right.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 05 November 2019, 07:47:34
The seats in the XE are great (10 way memory) and in the Velar better still (20 way memory with cooling, heating and massage, probably the same as TBs given JLR have used Lear for seating for years).

For us, memory is essential, due to Er-indoors random driving position in full munchkin mode
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: aaronjb on 05 November 2019, 08:50:42
The seats in the XE are great (10 way memory) and in the Velar better still (20 way memory with cooling, heating and massage, probably the same as TBs given JLR have used Lear for seating for years).

For us, memory is essential, due to Er-indoors random driving position in full munchkin mode

Massage seats .. do they come with a happy ending?

I've never been bothered about memory seats before, but now the OH is also driving the Range Rover they are rather useful .. I only just fit between the seat and the steering wheel after she's been driving it  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Andy B on 05 November 2019, 09:01:35
My Omega had the memory seats and at the time didn't realise how handy the memory part was. The R Class had electric seats doing every thing electric but no memory .... after moving the seat for what ever ... hoovering etc, it took me ages to get the seat back to where it was before. I made sure I had memory seats on my ML ..... why do you have to manually move the interior mirror though?  ???
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 05 November 2019, 16:29:49
My Omega had the memory seats and at the time didn't realise how handy the memory part was. The R Class had electric seats doing every thing electric but no memory .... after moving the seat for what ever ... hoovering etc, it took me ages to get the seat back to where it was before. I made sure I had memory seats on my ML ..... why do you have to manually move the interior mirror though?  ???
Because stupid people who bought the original W140 S Class kept breaking the electrically positioned one by manually forcing it rather than using the convenient switch. So for the face-lift, they deleted it. Permanently.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Andy B on 05 November 2019, 17:27:30
....
Because stupid people who bought the original W140 S Class kept breaking the electrically positioned one by manually forcing it rather than using the convenient switch. So for the face-lift, they deleted it. Permanently.

Someone at Mercedes should have bought an Omega to see how it should have worked then  ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: TheBoy on 05 November 2019, 18:11:35
For us, memory is essential, due to Er-indoors random driving position in full munchkin mode
Shame they don't do the internal mirror :(

Its a PITA when she's been using the car ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: STEMO on 05 November 2019, 18:18:08
I feel sorry for you people, I really do.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Andy B on 05 November 2019, 18:41:38
For us, memory is essential, due to Er-indoors random driving position in full munchkin mode
Shame they don't do the internal mirror :(

Its a PITA when she's been using the car ;D

So Jag are the same as Merc ... I wonder what reason they give for not including the interior RVM
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 05 November 2019, 21:59:28
....
Because stupid people who bought the original W140 S Class kept breaking the electrically positioned one by manually forcing it rather than using the convenient switch. So for the face-lift, they deleted it. Permanently.

Someone at Mercedes should have bought an Omega to see how it should have worked then  ;D
Mercedes engineers weren't the problem...

It was more to do with the customers, or their wives, who never bothered Please read the manual ::)

Trouble is, being fully motorised meant the mechanism was really weak so didn't take long to break when people went to adjust them by hand, making them all floppy.

The easiest solution was clearly to delete the function rather than trying to educate the owners... The cost of which would probably have doubled the car's not insignificant development costs ::)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: TheBoy on 07 November 2019, 16:51:26
The obvious solution for Merc would have been to design the mirror properly, as Opel did back in the early 90s.

Jaguar I'll excuse, seeing as they can't even get a clock to update. A mirror is simply too far for them ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Kevin Wood on 08 November 2019, 04:37:58
The obvious solution for Merc would have been to design the mirror properly, as Opel did back in the early 90s.

Jaguar I'll excuse, seeing as they can't even get a clock to update. A mirror is simply too far for them ;D

Amen to that. The auto dipping mirror in the XE is completely pants. Doesn't auto adjust, as discussed, and only after someone with misaligned headlights has been following you for about 10 minutes does it allow you to be dazzled with light with a slightly green tint instead. >:(

How hard is it just to give me a little lever to dip the mirror myself at night? >:(
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: tunnie on 08 November 2019, 10:57:52
The auto dipping mirror in the newer bus works really well, Vauxhall appear to do them right :y
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: aaronjb on 08 November 2019, 11:10:28
How hard is it just to give me a little lever to dip the mirror myself at night? >:(

Jesus man, next you'll want a windy handle for the windows, too!  :P ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: STEMO on 08 November 2019, 11:22:46
The auto dipping mirror in the newer bus works really well, Vauxhall appear to do them right :y
Same as my astra, so it can't be that difficult, can it?
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Andy B on 08 November 2019, 11:47:06
The auto dipping mirror in the newer bus works really well, Vauxhall appear to do them right :y

I was never particularly impressed with my Omega's auto dip mirror & just left the rear blind up.
I have to admit though that my Merc's auto dip mirror works quite well & tells the driver's door mirror to dip too. (They say though that the dipping door mirror glass is stupidly expensive)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 08 November 2019, 12:46:03
My Omega had the memory seats and at the time didn't realise how handy the memory part was. The R Class had electric seats doing every thing electric but no memory .... after moving the seat for what ever ... hoovering etc, it took me ages to get the seat back to where it was before. I made sure I had memory seats on my ML ..... why do you have to manually move the interior mirror though?  ???

The theory I was told is that head height should be constant no matter the stature of the person (if the seat is set such that you get optimum visibility of the road/bonnet etc).

That of course doesn't allow for the fact the seat also goes forward/rearward!

Smart rear view mirrors of course resolve all, of that
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 08 November 2019, 12:55:49
The obvious solution for Merc would have been to design the mirror properly, as Opel did back in the early 90s.

Jaguar I'll excuse, seeing as they can't even get a clock to update. A mirror is simply too far for them ;D

Amen to that. The auto dipping mirror in the XE is completely pants. Doesn't auto adjust, as discussed, and only after someone with misaligned headlights has been following you for about 10 minutes does it allow you to be dazzled with light with a slightly green tint instead. >:(

How hard is it just to give me a little lever to dip the mirror myself at night? >:(

You can retrofit the manual one.

That said it works great on ours, as do the dimming wing mirrors
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 08 November 2019, 12:56:38
The auto dipping mirror in the newer bus works really well, Vauxhall appear to do them right :y

I was never particularly impressed with my Omega's auto dip mirror & just left the rear blind up.
I have to admit though that my Merc's auto dip mirror works quite well & tells the driver's door mirror to dip too. (They say though that the dipping door mirror glass is stupidly expensive)

Probably is, I grabbed a pair of spares off a scrapper just in case 6 months ago
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 November 2019, 13:17:07
Certainly the 20way seats in my one, also available in the XF, were more comfortable than any Zaf I've been in, though maybe I got the setting just right :)

But your short arse, properly sized people like me at 6ft5 find most seats lacking in thigh support.

The extending front part in the SRI trim, are very comfortable and supportive.
No, Lanky, I'm normal. In every way.

;D

Yet you don't fancy the arse off Shami C. :)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: TheBoy on 08 November 2019, 13:29:10
The obvious solution for Merc would have been to design the mirror properly, as Opel did back in the early 90s.

Jaguar I'll excuse, seeing as they can't even get a clock to update. A mirror is simply too far for them ;D

Amen to that. The auto dipping mirror in the XE is completely pants. Doesn't auto adjust, as discussed, and only after someone with misaligned headlights has been following you for about 10 minutes does it allow you to be dazzled with light with a slightly green tint instead. >:(

How hard is it just to give me a little lever to dip the mirror myself at night? >:(
Mine dips fine, no issues there. As do both door mirrors.

My solution is to just ban Mrs TB from using it.  But with 2 Vauxhalls and a Jag, I can often guarantee we are struggling for working cars ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: TheBoy on 08 November 2019, 13:29:54
Certainly the 20way seats in my one, also available in the XF, were more comfortable than any Zaf I've been in, though maybe I got the setting just right :)

But your short arse, properly sized people like me at 6ft5 find most seats lacking in thigh support.

The extending front part in the SRI trim, are very comfortable and supportive.
No, Lanky, I'm normal. In every way.

;D

Yet you don't fancy the arse off Shami C. :)
Nobody sane does.  A true minger.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 November 2019, 14:23:16
Certainly the 20way seats in my one, also available in the XF, were more comfortable than any Zaf I've been in, though maybe I got the setting just right :)

But your short arse, properly sized people like me at 6ft5 find most seats lacking in thigh support.

The extending front part in the SRI trim, are very comfortable and supportive.
No, Lanky, I'm normal. In every way.

;D

Yet you don't fancy the arse off Shami C. :)
Nobody sane does.  A true minger.

I fancy her although I'm far from sane. :)

I believe I could cure her of her feminism. :)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: STEMO on 08 November 2019, 14:34:20
Certainly the 20way seats in my one, also available in the XF, were more comfortable than any Zaf I've been in, though maybe I got the setting just right :)

But your short arse, properly sized people like me at 6ft5 find most seats lacking in thigh support.

The extending front part in the SRI trim, are very comfortable and supportive.
No, Lanky, I'm normal. In every way.

;D

Yet you don't fancy the arse off Shami C. :)
Nobody sane does.  A true minger.

I fancy her although I'm far from sane. :)

I believe I could cure her of her feminism. :)
Doubt it. One look at your grotesque dial and she'll be off men forever.  ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 November 2019, 15:16:21
Certainly the 20way seats in my one, also available in the XF, were more comfortable than any Zaf I've been in, though maybe I got the setting just right :)

But your short arse, properly sized people like me at 6ft5 find most seats lacking in thigh support.

The extending front part in the SRI trim, are very comfortable and supportive.
No, Lanky, I'm normal. In every way.

;D

Yet you don't fancy the arse off Shami C. :)
Nobody sane does.  A true minger.

I fancy her although I'm far from sane. :)

I believe I could cure her of her feminism. :)
Doubt it. One look at your grotesque dial and she'll be off men forever.  ;D

You have a point. Perhaps a gimp mask would help. :)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: STEMO on 08 November 2019, 15:19:53
Certainly the 20way seats in my one, also available in the XF, were more comfortable than any Zaf I've been in, though maybe I got the setting just right :)

But your short arse, properly sized people like me at 6ft5 find most seats lacking in thigh support.

The extending front part in the SRI trim, are very comfortable and supportive.
No, Lanky, I'm normal. In every way.

;D

Yet you don't fancy the arse off Shami C. :)
Nobody sane does.  A true minger.

I fancy her although I'm far from sane. :)

I believe I could cure her of her feminism. :)
Doubt it. One look at your grotesque dial and she'll be off men forever.  ;D

You have a point. Perhaps a gimp mask would help. :)
Just a common or garden bag over the head might do it  ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 November 2019, 16:44:01
Certainly the 20way seats in my one, also available in the XF, were more comfortable than any Zaf I've been in, though maybe I got the setting just right :)

But your short arse, properly sized people like me at 6ft5 find most seats lacking in thigh support.

The extending front part in the SRI trim, are very comfortable and supportive.
No, Lanky, I'm normal. In every way.

;D

Yet you don't fancy the arse off Shami C. :)
Nobody sane does.  A true minger.

I fancy her although I'm far from sane. :)

I believe I could cure her of her feminism. :)
Doubt it. One look at your grotesque dial and she'll be off men forever.  ;D

You have a point. Perhaps a gimp mask would help. :)
Just a common or garden bag over the head might do it  ;D

I'll need something. Unfortunately I'm not blessed with movie star good looks, like your average scouser. :)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 November 2019, 16:45:04
Actually, Doddy was a scouser and he had no trouble 'pulling the birds'.... :)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: STEMO on 08 November 2019, 16:47:11
Actually, Doddy was a scouser and he had no trouble 'pulling the birds'.... :)
It was his tickling stick what did it  :)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: STEMO on 08 November 2019, 16:48:05
Jag XF to Asian drug dealers to Ken Dodd via Shami Chakerabati  ;D

Fixed.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 November 2019, 16:50:17
Actually, Doddy was a scouser and he had no trouble 'pulling the birds'.... :)
It was his tickling stick what did it  :)

I thought it was the size of his dickey mint that impressed the girls. ::)
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: STEMO on 08 November 2019, 17:16:20
Actually, Doddy was a scouser and he had no trouble 'pulling the birds'.... :)
It was his tickling stick what did it  :)

I thought it was the size of his dickey mint that impressed the girls. ::)
Nah. Dickey Mint was a Diddyman.
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Kevin Wood on 08 November 2019, 18:33:58
Certainly the 20way seats in my one, also available in the XF, were more comfortable than any Zaf I've been in, though maybe I got the setting just right :)

But your short arse, properly sized people like me at 6ft5 find most seats lacking in thigh support.

The extending front part in the SRI trim, are very comfortable and supportive.
No, Lanky, I'm normal. In every way.

;D

Yet you don't fancy the arse off Shami C. :)
Nobody sane does.  A true minger.

I fancy her although I'm far from sane. :)

I believe I could cure her of her feminism. :)
Doubt it. One look at your grotesque dial and she'll be off men forever.  ;D

You have a point. Perhaps a gimp mask would help. :)
Just a common or garden bag over the head might do it  ;D

I'll need something. Unfortunately I'm not blessed with movie star good looks, like your average scouser. :)

Perhaps you could borrow Tigger's Marina and take her for a "ride" in it. ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 November 2019, 23:26:40
No bleddy lefties in my car thank you very much!   >:(

And I don't care how 'progressive'  they are!  :D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Kevin Wood on 09 November 2019, 10:06:53
No bleddy lefties in my car thank you very much!   >:(

And I don't care how 'progressive'  they are!  :D

Getting choosy these days, I see! I thought the only criterion was sufficient cider consumption... ;D
Title: Re: Jag XF Sportbrake
Post by: Kevin Wood on 10 November 2019, 01:13:28
No bleddy lefties in my car thank you very much!   >:(

And I don't care how 'progressive'  they are!  :D

Getting choosy these days, I see! I thought the only criterion was sufficient cider consumption... ;D

Mind you, no doubt you'd need to get some special vegan cider in this case, where the yeast has signed a contract stating that they agree to you exploiting them for yourher intoxication.