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Re: Malaysian Airlines Crash...
« Reply #60 on: 11 March 2014, 11:12:10 »

Is it theoretically possible to disable all of the tracking gizmos and fly the plane somewhere else without anyone knowing?  ???

Sounds a bit fantastical, but......  :-\
The short answer is 'yes' it is perfectly possible, but the crew would need to be organised, and in total agreement. Afterall, in this day and age, the first whiff of summat amiss and one of the passengers would have tweeted or phoned or texted :-\

(Pure speculation) It is possible that the black boxes might be removed for maintenance purposes and for operational reasons the plane was rushed back into service having been signed off as fit by a manager who didn't know/check/care that all was in order. This would explain both the airlines reticence and also why the plane hasn't been found yet... no one would own up to that size screw up, but once the aircraft is found, forensics come into play and the subsequent investigation with pull at every thread, regardless of where it leads.

The lack of a debris field speaks volumes, as large jets almost never survive landing on open water... remember that hijacked Etheopian 767 a few years back, text book unpowered landing but a wing tip clipped a wave and the plane entered the water in three pieces. The A320 in New york was mostly shere luck helped by the fact that the aircrafts control systems were fully functional, and that the water was sheltered.

Had it exploded in mid air, at that altitude, visibility is knocking on the door of 200 miles, not to mention the time for burning debris to fall. Did anyone in the area report anything? No one's saying... and looking at this, there was an aircraft in the vicinity at the point it vanished...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3221009

Entwoods observation about having time to make a distress call is equally important... a significant problem would have prompted a radio call, even if it was a simple 'Houston, we have a problem'.

If you listen to both of these links, they are typical radio exchange from the 'Summat's not right through to the end...
NWS (last ten minutes of SR111 :'( No explosions or swearing, just a radio conversation between professionals dealing with a problem)

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt_Wpcj2iIo
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAjJWuWhcoQ

One of two things happened to MH370, either catastrophic or orchestrated... the current lack of any debris suggests the latter :-\
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Re: Malaysian Airlines Crash...
« Reply #61 on: 11 March 2014, 15:30:40 »

resistance is futile?

what about a giant mother ship swallowing it, like the Bond movie?  just as (un)likely

It would have to be a stealth giant mother ship though, wouldn't it? :-\

If aliens exist and IF they have the technology to travel huge distances that we can only dream about, then they will have available all sorts of technology we cannot comprehend.
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« Reply #62 on: 11 March 2014, 15:46:46 »

resistance is futile?

what about a giant mother ship swallowing it, like the Bond movie?  just as (un)likely

It would have to be a stealth giant mother ship though, wouldn't it? :-\

If aliens exist and IF they have the technology to travel huge distances that we can only dream about, then they will have available all sorts of technology we cannot comprehend.
Then what do they want with around 200 chinese people and a  Boeing 777 plane  :-\
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« Reply #63 on: 11 March 2014, 16:38:02 »

resistance is futile?

what about a giant mother ship swallowing it, like the Bond movie?  just as (un)likely

It would have to be a stealth giant mother ship though, wouldn't it? :-\

If aliens exist and IF they have the technology to travel huge distances that we can only dream about, then they will have available all sorts of technology we cannot comprehend.
Then what do they want with around 200 chinese people and a  Boeing 777 plane  :-\
That is the 64$ question... ;D

On a space theme, what would the effect of dropping a meteor on to a cruising airliner be  :-\
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« Reply #64 on: 12 March 2014, 00:35:00 »

The Swiss apparently fired the Large Hadron Collider  on the same day that the plane went missing .... Maybe they created a black hole, the plane entered said black hole and the people are all safe in an alternate universe ??

Odd how there are reports of their phones still ringing too 
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« Reply #65 on: 12 March 2014, 02:28:04 »

If we're 'entertaining' Science Fiction...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097883/

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Re: Malaysian Airlines Crash...
« Reply #66 on: 12 March 2014, 02:48:27 »

If we're 'entertaining' Science Fiction...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097883/

Remember that film, good film even better with Cheryl Ladd in it  :-* :-*
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« Reply #67 on: 12 March 2014, 17:21:10 »

OK new theory.

Oxygen in plane ran out(puncture/malfunction) and pilots didn't realise and so :

Didn't manually help themselves to oxygen and
didn't press button to release masks for passengers
Went into a coma
Plane continued flying itself until it ran out of fuel
No one watching on radar thought it unusual because "it wasn't their plane" and not their job
It crashed a thousand miles from where they are "looking"  :(

Gosh, I can't believe I favoured alien abduction for a time.  :o 
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Re: Malaysian Airlines Crash...
« Reply #68 on: 12 March 2014, 17:28:21 »

OK new theory.

Oxygen in plane ran out(puncture/malfunction) and pilots didn't realise and so :

Didn't manually help themselves to oxygen and
didn't press button to release masks for passengers
Went into a coma
Plane continued flying itself until it ran out of fuel
No one watching on radar thought it unusual because "it wasn't their plane" and not their job
It crashed a thousand miles from where they are "looking"  :(

Gosh, I can't believe I favoured alien abduction for a time.  :o

Sorry ... can't happen on a modern airliner, both audio and visual warnings of pressurisation failure at a relatively low differential pressure, also the "drop down" masks are activated automatically by the same system, deliberately set to prevent exactly the scenario you postulate ... :( ... the only way it could happen would be both a failure of the pressurisation system AND a total failure of ALL the warning/safety systems ....
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« Reply #70 on: 12 March 2014, 18:09:25 »

OK new theory.

Oxygen in plane ran out(puncture/malfunction) and pilots didn't realise and so :

Didn't manually help themselves to oxygen and
didn't press button to release masks for passengers
Went into a coma
Plane continued flying itself until it ran out of fuel
No one watching on radar thought it unusual because "it wasn't their plane" and not their job
It crashed a thousand miles from where they are "looking"  :(

Gosh, I can't believe I favoured alien abduction for a time.  :o

Sorry ... can't happen on a modern airliner, both audio and visual warnings of pressurisation failure at a relatively low differential pressure, also the "drop down" masks are activated automatically by the same system, deliberately set to prevent exactly the scenario you postulate ... :( ... the only way it could happen would be both a failure of the pressurisation system AND a total failure of ALL the warning/safety systems ....

Oh that is a blow. I thought for a minute I had solved it. Back to alien abduction as hot favourite then. Gosh what a disappointment.
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« Reply #71 on: 12 March 2014, 19:00:50 »

OK new theory.

Oxygen in plane ran out(puncture/malfunction) and pilots didn't realise and so :

Didn't manually help themselves to oxygen and
didn't press button to release masks for passengers
Went into a coma
Plane continued flying itself until it ran out of fuel
No one watching on radar thought it unusual because "it wasn't their plane" and not their job
It crashed a thousand miles from where they are "looking"  :(

Gosh, I can't believe I favoured alien abduction for a time.  :o

Sorry ... can't happen on a modern airliner, both audio and visual warnings of pressurisation failure at a relatively low differential pressure, also the "drop down" masks are activated automatically by the same system, deliberately set to prevent exactly the scenario you postulate ... :( ... the only way it could happen would be both a failure of the pressurisation system AND a total failure of ALL the warning/safety systems ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522
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« Reply #72 on: 12 March 2014, 20:04:48 »

Saves me digging the link out...

That Helios incident happened long enough ago for changes to be implemented in order to prevent a repeat occurrence :y although that particular incident was down to the crew complacency as much as anything :-\
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« Reply #73 on: 12 March 2014, 20:19:16 »

Saves me digging the link out...

That Helios incident happened long enough ago for changes to be implemented in order to prevent a repeat occurrence :y although that particular incident was down to the crew complacency as much as anything :-\

Not casting nasturtiums or anything but this crew is the same crew that invited dolly birds up from the passengers and had photos taken with them.(now available on't net). Changes implemented? Possibly.

No, I am back with sudden cockpit depressurisation. That would explain why phones continued to ring out but no one answered.
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« Reply #74 on: 12 March 2014, 20:28:38 »

Sudden decompression = explosive decompression which means debris, plus an immediate Mayday call :y

Doesn't have to be catastrophic, but usually is...

A case in point :y
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_811
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