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How does it know?
« on: 24 April 2008, 21:22:37 »

How does the self levelling suspension on the rear of an Elite facelift actually work?

I mean how does it know what level it is at and why doesn't it try to level itself out when going down or up a hill? :-/

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Re: How does it know?
« Reply #1 on: 24 April 2008, 21:51:47 »

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How does the self levelling suspension on the rear of an Elite facelift actually work?

I mean how does it know what level it is at and why doesn't it try to level itself out when going down or up a hill? :-/

There's a level sensor on the rear OFF side trailing arm.
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Re: How does it know?
« Reply #2 on: 24 April 2008, 21:52:42 »

If removing self levelling, pull fuse on it.
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« Reply #3 on: 24 April 2008, 22:01:36 »

I'm not trying t remove it, I'm just technically interested in "how" it actually works. I mean what does it use to measure and to what point of reference?

It leads me back to the original question: Why doesn't it get its knickers in a twist about going up or down a slope?
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Re: How does it know?
« Reply #4 on: 24 April 2008, 22:02:49 »

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I'm not trying t remove it, I'm just technically interested in "how" it actually works. I mean what does it use to measure and to what point of reference?

It leads me back to the original question: Why doesn't it get its knickers in a twist about going up or down a slope?
sensor osr arm, measures distance between suspension arm and chassis
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« Reply #5 on: 24 April 2008, 22:04:48 »

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How does the self levelling suspension on the rear of an Elite facelift actually work?

I mean how does it know what level it is at and why doesn't it try to level itself out when going down or up a hill? :-/

There's a level sensor on the rear OFF side trailing arm.

Yeah, bt is it measuring "level" with a fluid sensor? Surely this would get confused when the car was on a slope.

What is the point of reference; is it gravity or relative position to the rest of the car?
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Re: How does it know?
« Reply #6 on: 24 April 2008, 22:06:40 »

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What is the point of reference; is it gravity or relative position to the rest of the car?


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sensor osr arm, measures distance between suspension arm and chassis
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Re: How does it know?
« Reply #7 on: 24 April 2008, 22:07:20 »

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I'm not trying t remove it, I'm just technically interested in "how" it actually works. I mean what does it use to measure and to what point of reference?

It leads me back to the original question: Why doesn't it get its knickers in a twist about going up or down a slope?

It doesn't measure the "slope" of the car, it measures the distance of the suspension at the back, relative to the front, and makes them equal.

When you load the car, you compress the rear suspension relative to the front .. it pumps it back up to equal.
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Re: How does it know?
« Reply #8 on: 24 April 2008, 22:16:00 »

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How does the self levelling suspension on the rear of an Elite facelift actually work?

I mean how does it know what level it is at and why doesn't it try to level itself out when going down or up a hill? :-/

There's a level sensor on the rear OFF side trailing arm.

Yeah, bt is it measuring "level" with a fluid sensor? Surely this would get confused when the car was on a slope.

What is the point of reference; is it gravity or relative position to the rest of the car?
I simply measures the distance between the distance between the suspension arm and the chassis, same way the HID level sensors do.  Look at sensor, it will make perfect sense.
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Re: How does it know?
« Reply #9 on: 24 April 2008, 22:26:56 »

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What is the point of reference; is it gravity or relative position to the rest of the car?


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Yeah, thanks I saw that, my t'tinterweb connection is playing up >:( so our posts crossed in the disconnect delay
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« Reply #10 on: 24 April 2008, 22:32:18 »

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How does the self levelling suspension on the rear of an Elite facelift actually work?

I mean how does it know what level it is at and why doesn't it try to level itself out when going down or up a hill? :-/

There's a level sensor on the rear OFF side trailing arm.

Yeah, bt is it measuring "level" with a fluid sensor? Surely this would get confused when the car was on a slope.

What is the point of reference; is it gravity or relative position to the rest of the car?
I simply measures the distance between the distance between the suspension arm and the chassis, same way the HID level sensors do.  Look at sensor, it will make perfect sense.

I wonder if it can "adjusted" or tricked by a cm or so.
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Re: How does it know?
« Reply #11 on: 24 April 2008, 22:34:36 »

It won't lower your car, it simply aims to level out the back if it's loaded up and the rear is compressing the springs / shocks.

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Re: How does it know?
« Reply #12 on: 24 April 2008, 22:36:01 »

The length of the adjuster rod can be extended or shortened, as I recall, in the same way as those for the self levelling HID motors.
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Re: How does it know?
« Reply #13 on: 24 April 2008, 22:40:24 »

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It won't lower your car, it simply aims to level out the back if it's loaded up and the rear is compressing the springs / shocks.

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Re: How does it know?
« Reply #14 on: 24 April 2008, 22:43:48 »

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It won't lower your car, it simply aims to level out the back if it's loaded up and the rear is compressing the springs / shocks.


If the sensor beleves that "level" is lower because it is sensing something different then I might be inclined to disagree.

Reading H21's post ^ I'd say it might be possible. It is just a case of understanding how the sensor works and is built before knowing.

I don't want to go mad, but if you look at the picture below you'll see why I'm asking...




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