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[Entwood]

Many folks know the on-going saga of my wheel bearing problems.... so I won't bore you with all the details .. but needless to say one of the new bearings fitted in France was found to be faulty at Newent. Despite the attentions of both Daz and The Master (Darth Loo-Knee and MarkDTM) the play could not be reduced.

Been in contact with Quinton Hazell toaday who were surprisingly helpful .... initially .....

They agree there is a fault and the item should be replaced under warranty, they accept that returning to France is a no-brainer,

But they do not deal directly with the public. 

They are happy to talk to a motor factor and arrange a warranty claim where they factor provides me with the bearing and they give the factor full credit for the item.   

However, they do not stock the item at present, and have no stock planned for the forseeable future (seems they only sold 35 units in the past year). They cannot give me a list of places they have supplied the bearings to, only a few local companies who have purchased anything from them in the past year

They won't give a cash refund, only an exchange item. I've phoned around all the Wiltshire area contacts, none of whom have a QH unit in stock

Looks like I'm going to have to but A N Other wheel bearing assembly and sort it that way ..

So the question is .. which one ?? Contitech ?? It was one of them that failed after 5 months .. possibly just bad luck ??

So .. which bearing kit and from where ..     

[Darth Loo-knee]

I have to go too Vauxhall in the morning i will see what I can get one for

[Andy B]

I have to go too Vauxhall in the morning i will see what I can get one for

I replaced mine from Vauxhall a couple of years ago & it was around £100

[feeutfo]

Fitted a baring under the Masters beady eye just up the road from you Nige. Torqued to 320nms...play. Tightened further...play. Tightened further... Better but still play.. maybe less than 0.25 mill at the rim edge.

Second one on the same side in 6 months. 

But to add, Massive thankyou to the Mr and Mrs Master  for their help in sourcing parts.



Does seem to be a problem with play IME.... :-/

[Andy B]

Fitted a baring under the Masters beady eye just up the road from you Nige. Torqued to 320nms...play. Tightened further...play. Tightened further... Better but still play.. maybe less than 0.25 mill at the rim edge.

Second one on the same side in 6 months. 

But to add, Massive thankyou to the Mr and Mrs Master  for their help in sourcing parts.



Does seem to be a problem with play IME.... :-/

Did you see Mark dismantle one of the bearings? If there was play when assembled no amount of ftlbs/Nm would take the play out. 

[jb]

Omega front wheel bearings have a tendency to be a little loose - one of my cars has the same wheel advisory on play for the last 4 mots and 45000 miles ....

[Entwood]

Omega front wheel bearings have a tendency to be a little loose - one of my cars has the same wheel advisory on play for the last 4 mots and 45000 miles ....

Interestingly, the guy from QH implied that a little play was totally acceptable, until I asked him to define "little" and why the other one had no play !!

I'm going by The Masters view that this has too much play in it and needs replacing. Having just done wishbones and steering idler, and needing 2 new tyres I plan to change the bearing before a visit to WIM.

I'm assuming that bearing play would have a significant effect on an accurate geometry setup .. can't see how you set angles on a moving platform !!!

[feeutfo]

Fitted a baring under the Masters beady eye just up the road from you Nige. Torqued to 320nms...play. Tightened further...play. Tightened further... Better but still play.. maybe less than 0.25 mill at the rim edge.

Second one on the same side in 6 months. 

But to add, Massive thankyou to the Mr and Mrs Master  for their help in sourcing parts.



Does seem to be a problem with play IME.... :-/

Did you see Mark dismantle one of the bearings? If there was play when assembled no amount of ftlbs/Nm would take the play out. 

Yep, it was my old one that was taken apart.... And over tightening did help, no doubt about it. Shouldn't be necessary though...  :-/

[Entwood]

Fitted a baring under the Masters beady eye just up the road from you Nige. Torqued to 320nms...play. Tightened further...play. Tightened further... Better but still play.. maybe less than 0.25 mill at the rim edge.

Second one on the same side in 6 months. 

But to add, Massive thankyou to the Mr and Mrs Master  for their help in sourcing parts.



Does seem to be a problem with play IME.... :-/

Did you see Mark dismantle one of the bearings? If there was play when assembled no amount of ftlbs/Nm would take the play out. 

Yep, it was my old one that was taken apart.... And over tightening did help, no doubt about it. Shouldn't be necessary though...  :-/

Just to avoid any confusion here ... 

MarkDTM actually took the faulty wheelbearing apart at Newent and "wiped" the inner face on some emery to try and reduce the "float" inside the bearing. Seemed to make very little difference..

[Andy B]

Fitted a baring under the Masters beady eye just up the road from you Nige. Torqued to 320nms...play. Tightened further...play. Tightened further... Better but still play.. maybe less than 0.25 mill at the rim edge.

Second one on the same side in 6 months. 

But to add, Massive thankyou to the Mr and Mrs Master  for their help in sourcing parts.



Does seem to be a problem with play IME.... :-/

Did you see Mark dismantle one of the bearings? If there was play when assembled no amount of ftlbs/Nm would take the play out. 

Yep, it was my old one that was taken apart.... And over tightening did help, no doubt about it. Shouldn't be necessary though...  :-/

Not sure why it would ......  :-/ :-/

[feeutfo]

Fitted a baring under the Masters beady eye just up the road from you Nige. Torqued to 320nms...play. Tightened further...play. Tightened further... Better but still play.. maybe less than 0.25 mill at the rim edge.

Second one on the same side in 6 months. 

But to add, Massive thankyou to the Mr and Mrs Master  for their help in sourcing parts.



Does seem to be a problem with play IME.... :-/

Did you see Mark dismantle one of the bearings? If there was play when assembled no amount of ftlbs/Nm would take the play out. 

Yep, it was my old one that was taken apart.... And over tightening did help, no doubt about it. Shouldn't be necessary though...  :-/

Not sure why it would ......  :-/ :-/

Agreed, does though. Master has mentined it a couple of times. it can bring an Mot fail into a pass. They allow 0.5mill anyway. But there does come a point where no amount of tightening will help.

[Andy B]

.... They allow 0.5mill anyway.  ....

1/2 a mill? Where do they measure that?

[feeutfo]

.... They allow 0.5mill anyway.  ....

1/2 a mill? Where do they measure that?

Play at the outside edge of the wheel.

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Front; With ABS; Hub Assy £101.01 + VAT.

Front; Saloon; Wheel Bearing Kit; Ø 74mm £28.53 + VAT.

Trade Club prices.

[Marks DTM Calib]

I have been able to get rid of play by tightening in the past which hints at either a loose bearing or some gunk or grit between the inner race surfaces.

What we do know about Nige's hubs is that they were not tightened correctly (which is a worry!).

Now this could have resulted in a fast wear rate on them.

The 'slop' is controlled by the inner race inner faces and hence why I tried just takinga  very small amount off it to see if it reduced the slop (I suspect taking more off would but I was not willing to try it on a bearing that we needed!).

What I would say is that the amount of slop on the concerning side is A LOT and not the small amount of play you sometimes see (as per the contitechs)