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[Varche]

Where is the money going to come from to care for the elderly and the disadvantaged?

How come there is less per head in England than in Wales or Scotland ( where I have noticed everything is free!)? Joking apart from personal family experience care is a problem even in Scotland.

More tax? Keep it the same?

[Viral_Jim]

Where is the money going to come from to care for the elderly and the disadvantaged?

That's easy: the millenials, and the generations that come after. All the main parties are scared sh!tless of losing the grey vote, which is why they've cut working-age benefits, youth services spending, school funcing etc. etc. Even tax breaks on pension saving is less generous than it used to be. At the same time, they are extremely keen on maintaining the unaffordable triple lock on pensions and other benefits for wealthy OAPs.

What you have at the moment are a generation that retired early, retired healthy and retired (comparatively) wealthy. Unfortunately, the baby boomers are going to be a growing burden on the state for the next 20-30yrs until nature takes its course. By the time my generation gets there, there will be less pension money and less state spending on health. So it should begin to balance out.

How come there is less per head in England than in Wales or Scotland ( where I have noticed everything is free!)? Joking apart from personal family experience care is a problem even in Scotland.

Because since devolution, the provinces have had more money to spend on pretty much everything ;-). Its one of the reasons the whole Indy Ref business is so ill-thought-out - they won't admit it, but they need the english cash cow to keep on providing. 

[redelitev6]

Luckily my father in law is only spending £910 a week on his care home fees , absolute bargain 

[aaronjb]

What you have at the moment are a generation that retired early, retired healthy and retired (comparatively) wealthy. Unfortunately, the baby boomers are going to be a growing burden on the state for the next 20-30yrs until nature takes its course. By the time my generation gets there, there will be less pension money and less state spending on health. So it should begin to balance out.

You're younger than me, IIRC? In which case let me fix that for you:

By the time my generation gets there, there will be no pension money and no state spending on health, and we'll all be living in caves.

 

[STEMO]

What you have at the moment are a generation that retired early, retired healthy and retired (comparatively) wealthy. Unfortunately, the baby boomers are going to be a growing burden on the state for the next 20-30yrs until nature takes its course. By the time my generation gets there, there will be less pension money and less state spending on health. So it should begin to balance out.

You're younger than me, IIRC? In which case let me fix that for you:

By the time my generation gets there, there will be no pension money and no state spending on health, and we'll all be living in caves.

 

Will there be enough caves? I'm not so sure. Perhaps we should start excavating them now.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Its an impossible problem to solve imo. It used to be the case that in most cases, families would take care of their elderly relatives when they need taking care of.
They usually all lived quite close to one another and felt obliged to do this.
The situation with families now is very different for a variety of reasons, and the cost to the state to look after all of us when we are old is always going to be prohibitive. 

[Viral_Jim]

You're younger than me, IIRC? In which case let me fix that for you:

By the time my generation gets there, there will be no pension money and no state spending on health, and we'll all be living in caves.

 

Sounds about right!

I'm 35 (just) which is depressing as it puts you in a different box on the government forms.

[Kevin Wood]

You're younger than me, IIRC? In which case let me fix that for you:

By the time my generation gets there, there will be no pension money and no state spending on health, and we'll all be living in caves.

 

Sounds about right!

I'm 35 (just) which is depressing as it puts you in a different box on the government forms.

Don't worry. I'm approaching a much more depressing box in 1 year and 3 months time, not that I'm counting.

[aaronjb]

Both of you need to look on the bright side ...

At least it's not a wooden box!

[Viral_Jim]

You're younger than me, IIRC? In which case let me fix that for you:

By the time my generation gets there, there will be no pension money and no state spending on health, and we'll all be living in caves.

 

Sounds about right!

I'm 35 (just) which is depressing as it puts you in a different box on the government forms.

Don't worry. I'm approaching a much more depressing box in 1 year and 3 months time, not that I'm counting.

Is that the one that just ends in a + sign?

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Im less than half a year away from 60 ! It doesn't seem more than a few years ago that I came to England just before my 20th birthday.
The scary thing is that the older I get, the quicker the time goes. 
I shall soon be sat by the sunny window with a bit of potato stuck to my chin. 

[Varche]

Im less than half a year away from 60 ! It doesn't seem more than a few years ago that I came to England just before my 20th birthday.
The scary thing is that the older I get, the quicker the time goes. 
I shall soon be sat by the sunny window with a bit of potato stuck to my chin. 

Nah youwill be on the keyboard googling Brexit.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Hope so. 

[BazaJT]

I can't believe you've all seemed to overlook the answer to solving all the crises[NHS/police/care of the elderly etc etc]simply vote for Corbyn he and his cronies have forests full of magic money trees and once he's in No 10 all problems will be solved

[henryd]

Im less than half a year away from 60 ! It doesn't seem more than a few years ago that I came to England just before my 20th birthday.
The scary thing is that the older I get, the quicker the time goes. 
I shall soon be sat by the sunny window with a bit of potato stuck to my chin. 

Me too

[STEMO]

Im less than half a year away from 60 ! It doesn't seem more than a few years ago that I came to England just before my 20th birthday.
The scary thing is that the older I get, the quicker the time goes. 
I shall soon be sat by the sunny window with a bit of potato stuck to my chin. 

I'm 66 and did a 10k walk in a hour and a half this morning. Stop working 72 hours a week and do some exercise. Now. 

[2boxerdogs]

Im less than half a year away from 60 ! It doesn't seem more than a few years ago that I came to England just before my 20th birthday.
The scary thing is that the older I get, the quicker the time goes. 
I shall soon be sat by the sunny window with a bit of potato stuck to my chin. 

I'm 66 and did a 10k walk in a hour and a half this morning. Stop working 72 hours a week and do some exercise. Now. 

. 


Can't beat walking I'm out every day for at least an hour with the dog that's after 30 lengths at my local pool I was 65 in March & am probably fitter now than I was in 1989.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

72 hours ? That's a short week for me. Did 108 hours a couple of weeks ago.
Problem is, my right leg is properly ficked. It would be made better to an extent by a knee replacement, but Docs don't want to do the op until Im older.
This makes exercise a bit of a problem. Swimming might be the best option but I hate swimming. Its fickin tedious.

[New POD]

Luckily my father in law is only spending £910 a week on his care home fees , absolute bargain 

My Granddad was lucky.  My aunt lived down the road and he had a Full Senior Local Government pension, and so she employed a team of part time carers, taken from the local village, to take it in turns to get him up, feed him and keep his house clean.  She trained each of them, and it included Teenagers looking to go into nursing, mothers, who had children in the local school, and people willing to stay over at night, for an hourly rate which was competitive.  Most came from the local church. If there was a problem, they could call her or one of her kids (one was a nurse), if she was on holiday

She considered this more cost effective and he certainly got the right care. This was only possible due to his Pension. And the Power of Attorney.
It also meant that the time she spent with him, was mainly social, and she did not become his carer. 
It also meant that the standard of care, was at a level she trained the whole team to provide.   

[pscocoa]

In dealing with care homes for family members I am now into my 9th year of experience. Trouble is there are so many variables and busy people with families do not always have the time to research solutions. if there is property involved and both parents alive at the time then ideally you should have  (well in advance of the problem arising)  organised their  house ownership as tenants in common so that half the estate is protected. You cannot do this after the event of in clear contemplation of avoiding care fees or the authorities will cry foul. Too complex to put in detail on here.

My mother is paying £250 a week for full nursing care in a care home which is based on her available income. The equity in her share of the house was used up some years ago but at least she is in an excellent home but 210 miles from where I live. She unfortunately refused to move down to us when we offered many years ago and now it is too late.

I had 3 of these situations to deal with and there is always a great sense of injustice at the system but the balances between state and personal are sort of understandable and brings some sort of efficiency to proceedings although not necessarily understandable when you meet it for the first time.

[Rods2]

Improved medical technology will mean we will all live longer, healthier lives in the future & also work much longer which is important for demographics & ever decreasing global birth rates. Dementia, cancer, circulation & mobility treatments will continue to improve rapidly.

[STEMO]

Improved medical technology will mean we will all live longer, healthier lives in the future & also work much longer which is important for demographics & ever decreasing global birth rates. Dementia, cancer, circulation & mobility treatments will continue to improve rapidly.

Correct, except for one, minor exclusion. This will only apply to people who can afford the treatment(s) privately.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Improved medical technology will mean we will all live longer, healthier lives in the future & also work much longer which is important for demographics & ever decreasing global birth rates. Dementia, cancer, circulation & mobility treatments will continue to improve rapidly.

Correct, except for one, minor exclusion. This will only apply to people who can afford the treatment(s) privately.

Natural selection at work then?   

It won't do much for the gene pool though as they'll all be too old to reproduce! 

[ronnyd]

Im less than half a year away from 60 ! It doesn't seem more than a few years ago that I came to England just before my 20th birthday.
The scary thing is that the older I get, the quicker the time goes. 
I shall soon be sat by the sunny window with a bit of potato stuck to my chin. 

I'm 66 and did a 10k walk in a hour and a half this morning. Stop working 72 hours a week and do some exercise. Now. 

. 



Can't beat walking I'm out every day for at least an hour with the dog that's after 30 lengths at my local pool I was 65 in March & am probably fitter now than I was in 1989.

I find that i can ride faster and quicker on my bike at 74 than i could when i was in my early 60s. Perhaps it,s because i no longer have to do a full days work now.

[Andy B]

Im less than half a year away from 60 ! It doesn't seem more than a few years ago that I came to England just before my 20th birthday.
The scary thing is that the older I get, the quicker the time goes. 
I shall soon be sat by the sunny window with a bit of potato stuck to my chin. 

Me too

 

[Andy B]

I walked a couple of miles home from the pub Tuesday night, my knee was sore all day Wednesday  (I'm 57)

[henryd]

I walked a couple of miles home from the pub Tuesday night, my knee was sore all day Wednesday  (I'm 57)

I'm very fortunate in that department,I don't suffer any aches or pains at all

[Varche]

The first question Spanish GPs ask when you have an appointment is “ Are you walking? “ Everyone walks each day. Maybe it isn't theMediterranean diet....

We have just finished with the fourth family member in their 90’s and care. All a very mixed bag.  Most people with no experience of people having care just have no idea of the issues.

Just got my dad to go but he is managing just fine so far without care .

[Andy B]

....
I'm very fortunate in that department,I don't suffer any aches or pains at all

Apart from my shoulder, knee & hip neither do I 

[Kevin Wood]

....
I'm very fortunate in that department,I don't suffer any aches or pains at all

Apart from my shoulder, knee & hip neither do I 

Neither do I, well, not on the way back from the pub. On the way there might be a different matter.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I walked a couple of miles home from the pub Tuesday night, my knee was sore all day Wednesday  (I'm 57)

I'm very fortunate in that department,I don't suffer any aches or pains at all

Perhaps your youth wasn't as misspent as mine. Or perhaps it was but you were luckier in getting away with it. 

[henryd]

I walked a couple of miles home from the pub Tuesday night, my knee was sore all day Wednesday  (I'm 57)

I'm very fortunate in that department,I don't suffer any aches or pains at all

Perhaps your youth wasn't as misspent as mine. Or perhaps it was but you were luckier in getting away with it. 

I'll go with that

[aaronjb]

I wish I could find this little four panel comic I saw .. ah yes:

[New POD]

Father in law probably won't last more than a few years. Poor heart, poor circulation, very frail. His wife is as high as a fiddle but away with the fairies most of the time.
If he died. Mother in Law will be moving in with us apparently.

[Doctor Gollum]

Well this thread just got a year younger