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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: Jan Suhr on 17 October 2018, 18:46:07

Title: Wiper stalk problem
Post by: Jan Suhr on 17 October 2018, 18:46:07
Well I'm kind of stuck here.

My "new" winter car was fitted with the NCDC 2013 head unit and the NAV-display. It seems that when fitted with this the wiper stalk is a bit simpler with no buttons to change the display messages.

I have removed the NCDC 2013 unit to be replaced more modern stuff and also put in the simpler display. The display itself seems to work alright but with the original wiper stalk I can't change any messages on the display.

From my old Omega that I scrapped I got the wiper stalk with buttons (Got the display from that one too) but that one has an extra connector with 5 wires going to it. But the car doesn't obviously have the connector to the wiper stalks extra connector. I also suspect that the wiper interval control are in some of those five wires.

I guess that the display controls are on the NCDC 2013 unit and then there must be some wires there that I could hook up my new wiper stalk to.

Is this possible??


The original to the left and the one to the right I want to put in.

(http://www.protouring.se/files/wiper_stalks.jpg)



Thanks
Title: Re: Wiper stalk problem
Post by: Eboy.com on 17 October 2018, 20:06:13
you need to run 2 wires from stalk to display, and 1 wire from stalk to one of the ground/earth studs behind instrument panel
Title: Re: Wiper stalk problem
Post by: Jan Suhr on 17 October 2018, 20:11:29
you need to run 2 wires from stalk to display, and 1 wire from stalk to one of the ground/earth studs behind instrument panel

Thanks, can you be more specific on which ones. The brown is ground but which two to the display. There must be some wires already hooked up for this to the display that comes from the head unit.


Title: Re: Wiper stalk problem
Post by: Eboy.com on 17 October 2018, 20:14:19
Do you have a wiring diagram, eg Haynes book of 'dangle berries', as I'm not near mine.
Title: Re: Wiper stalk problem
Post by: Jan Suhr on 17 October 2018, 20:22:45
I have a good contact at the local GM service station. He has provided me with diagrams before. I'll try to check with him.

I do have the Haynes manual but the one I have is for 94-99 pre-Face lift Omegas.


Thanks
Title: Re: Wiper stalk problem
Post by: Eboy.com on 17 October 2018, 21:08:15
I do have the Haynes manual but the one I have is for 94-99 pre-Face lift Omegas.


Thanks
Look at "Late Models", and that is same for the MID and wiper stalk :y
Title: Re: Wiper stalk problem
Post by: Jan Suhr on 17 October 2018, 21:22:11
I do have the Haynes manual but the one I have is for 94-99 pre-Face lift Omegas.


Thanks
Look at "Late Models", and that is same for the MID and wiper stalk :y

 :y
Title: Re: Wiper stalk problem
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 October 2018, 23:41:43
Also you need a later stalk as the plug on the one you have is wrong.

Being a later 3.2, it might have the plug on the loom side already... Be folded back and taped to the main stalk loom ;)
Title: Re: Wiper stalk problem
Post by: Eboy.com on 18 October 2018, 09:06:21
The later 3.2 ones donít have the loom, in UK at least.
Title: Re: Wiper stalk problem
Post by: Jan Suhr on 18 October 2018, 09:10:16
Haven't looked that much but what I've seen so far there is no loom.

My other Omega that is a 2002 had the loom but it also had the stalk with buttons on it.

Thanks
Title: Re: Wiper stalk problem
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 October 2018, 09:27:00
The later 3.2 ones donít have the loom, in UK at least.
I can't recall if my plod did or not :-\ if it didn't then I added the loom for the MID complete with plug.

Never looked on the Elite as it retained the ncdc2015 and Cid...

Certainly the plug is identical to the cruise control one.
Title: Re: Wiper stalk problem
Post by: Jan Suhr on 19 October 2018, 19:18:14
When I pulled the inside panel off the door I could see that the panel was fabricated on November 5th 2001, mid-production I guess.
Title: Re: Wiper stalk problem
Post by: Jan Suhr on 28 October 2018, 13:49:22
I'm trying to get this sorted out and found that the display connector I have in the car don't have any wires connected to pin 23 and 24. There are no wire that are Brown/Red and just one Brown/White but that one is not going to the pin I need.

So I guess the only option is to get a connector and a bit of the loom from a car that has the simple display and piece them together. I'll check with the scrap yard I sent my old Omega to and hope that they haven't crushed it yet.

One thing would be to disassemble the connector and take the pin 23 and 24 from the other one and put it all together. Might be more difficult and I end up with two broken connectors.

Title: Re: Wiper stalk problem
Post by: Eboy.com on 28 October 2018, 18:25:31
You can add the connectors by (GENTLY!!!) taking the connector apart.

You will need a donor connector to get the bits, although the bits you need are also readily available from electronics outlets.
Title: Re: Wiper stalk problem
Post by: Jan Suhr on 29 October 2018, 08:32:50
Luck was not on my side this time, it had already been crushed  :'( :'(

I know another donor but it is a long distance away. I think I can live with the display as it is for a while. The error messages like low window cleaner fluid and low petrol will clear them selves when taken care off. The other stuff like fuel consumption and average speed is information I don't really need. I need to get it out on the road now, we got our first snow tonight and my other one is banned on salted roads :-)

I will eventually fix the connector but that will be for later.

thanks
Title: Re: Wiper stalk problem
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 October 2018, 08:36:33
It's all pretty accessible, which makes it easier to do as and when ;)
Title: Re: Wiper stalk problem
Post by: Eboy.com on 29 October 2018, 17:18:58
If you cant source pins locally, let me look through my varied stash.
Title: Re: Wiper stalk problem
Post by: Jan Suhr on 29 October 2018, 18:54:36
If you cant source pins locally, let me look through my varied stash.

Thanks for the offer but I think I can source another connector. When I bought this car the guy had another Omega that I sort of got in the purchase. I took a couple of things from it then. He still got it and I talked with him today and I can go there and take what I need. Only drawback is that it is a 4 hour drive one way...
Title: Re: Wiper stalk problem
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 October 2018, 21:35:16
Nice day out ;)
Title: Re: Wiper stalk problem
Post by: Jan Suhr on 29 October 2018, 22:01:05
Nice day out ;)

I don't mind going for a drive like that as long as it is in an Omega  :D :D
Title: Re: Wiper stalk problem
Post by: Jan Suhr on 11 December 2018, 14:03:20
Solved this now. Got a display connector from a donor car with the correct display that I could take the two wires from, it was kind of easy to take it appart and pry the cable with the bits out and then it was just to put them back in the connector in the car. As I suspected pin 23 and 24 was empty in my car so it was simple to put the new ones in.

Also got the female connector to the stalk and connected everything and now I can scroll through the display as intended.


Feeling good now  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Wiper stalk problem
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 11 December 2018, 16:24:10
 :y