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Title: Updates
Post by: BazaJT on 11 July 2019, 17:22:40
Whenever windows 10 do an update it comes on the screen not to turn off computer and then starts counting upwards as a % figure of completion.As soon as this reads 30% complete the computer automatically shuts down,then next time I turn it on it resumes the count until 100% is reached.Why doesn't it do it all in one go?
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: scimmy_man on 11 July 2019, 17:26:43
probably gets bored?
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 11 July 2019, 17:31:24
That question is way beyond my abilities with IT Baza! ::) ::)

My Windows 10 PC does the same.  Had one this afternoon.

Over to TB or others on here 'in the know'! :D ;)
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: STEMO on 11 July 2019, 17:33:28
Whenever windows 10 do an update it comes on the screen not to turn off computer and then starts counting upwards as a % figure of completion.As soon as this reads 30% complete the computer automatically shuts down,then next time I turn it on it resumes the count until 100% is reached.Why doesn't it do it all in one go?
I haven't had a windows pc for donks but, IIRC, it says something like 'Your computer may restart several times during the update'.
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 11 July 2019, 17:41:37
Whenever windows 10 do an update it comes on the screen not to turn off computer and then starts counting upwards as a % figure of completion.As soon as this reads 30% complete the computer automatically shuts down,then next time I turn it on it resumes the count until 100% is reached.Why doesn't it do it all in one go?
I haven't had a windows pc for donks but, IIRC, it says something like 'Your computer may restart several times during the update'.

That sometimes happens, but like today's update it went straight through to an automatic re-start.Must have something to do with the complexities of the update ;)
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: The Pikey Pensioner on 11 July 2019, 17:45:51
Anyone installed ver. 1903 yet?

I've heard it can disable Bluetooth on some devices :-\
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: zirk on 11 July 2019, 19:30:13
Switch Off Auto Updates, let all the other Mugs do a Live Final Test, then when sorted update your own.

For big Updates, I always download it as an Installer from MS directly and then do a Manual Update.

Never had any issues for years doing as above.  ;)
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 11 July 2019, 19:34:27
Anyone installed ver. 1903 yet?

I've heard it can disable Bluetooth on some devices :-\

Funny you should say that, as I blame my recent trouble with a Bluetooth dongle on Windows 10.  Online others mentioned that, and my PC just would not recognise the dongle, although in the recent past another dongle had worked fine, but then stopped after updates. ::) ;)
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: BazaJT on 11 July 2019, 22:35:19
When it comes to the automatic updates I just let it get on with it,any technical type stuff that needs doing with the computer and I take it to my granddaughter to sort for me[I've just had to ask her by text message what the heck a dongle is!!]I was just curious as to why it would automatically turn off on reaching 30% and then wait until the next time I turned it on to complete the run up to 100% instead of doing it all in the one go.
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: Entwood on 11 July 2019, 22:55:39
When it comes to the automatic updates I just let it get on with it,any technical type stuff that needs doing with the computer and I take it to my granddaughter to sort for me[I've just had to ask her by text message what the heck a dongle is!!]I was just curious as to why it would automatically turn off on reaching 30% and then wait until the next time I turned it on to complete the run up to 100% instead of doing it all in the one go.

Very "broad brush" outline of what occurs... not actually 100% accurate but gives the main idea ....

Whilst the system is running there are a whole load of "active programs" al doing their thing, far more than you realise. "Active" programs cannot be modified whilst working (a bit like trying to change a tyre whilst doing 30mph), so the system "prepares" new files with the updated data embedded within and stores them on the hard drive, along with a load of special instructions for the machine to do next startup ...   thats the "30%" activity.

When you do the restart the special instructions file loads first and runs ... windows does not actually start .... and all the windows files that need updating are replaced with those prepared earlier, this taks a little while as here are a lot of them usually ... once all the files have been replaced it is possible for windows to actually start and run ... and the update is deemed complete.... thats the "70%" part ....

Throughout this process if you watch the hard drive activity light, the hard drive is working VERY hard as many files are rewritten/renamed/replaced ... that is why the system tells you not to switch it off .. if you do you will most certainly have corrupted files as so many are in the middle of being changed and you have just stopped them dead....  !!

Hope that helps a tad .. :)
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: Rods2 on 12 July 2019, 00:57:18
Switching from automatic to manual updates on previous versions of Windows used to just prompt you that updates were available. In Windows 10 it brings up a prompt box & timeout which restarts your PC anyway if you are not at the PC to stop it. >:( This is a really useful feature if you are doing any long tasks that you want to run overnight not, to find that they have been aborted. >:( >:( >:( The only solution for this seems to be turning off updates completely, whether this prompts like the old versions I don't know as I only found this out today where my main PC & laptop are both in manual update mode, but it restarted my main PC overnight, but I got the prompt box with the countdown on my laptop during the day & aborted the restart as it wasn't convenient at this time.

I have serous objections to not at all time being in control of my computer equipment & where Microsh*t have no awareness of realworld customer needs so they don't do the obvious, like not asking if it is convenient to do that 2 hour update on shutdown as you are turning off your laptop to catch a flight you are running late for before they start it automatically. >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: The Pikey Pensioner on 12 July 2019, 05:43:06
Anyone installed ver. 1903 yet?

I've heard it can disable Bluetooth on some devices :-\

Funny you should say that, as I blame my recent trouble with a Bluetooth dongle on Windows 10.  Online others mentioned that, and my PC just would not recognise the dongle, although in the recent past another dongle had worked fine, but then stopped after updates. ::) ;)

What version of Windows are you running? It only applies to ver. 1903, anything before that should be fine.
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 12 July 2019, 08:57:48
Anyone installed ver. 1903 yet?

I've heard it can disable Bluetooth on some devices :-\

Funny you should say that, as I blame my recent trouble with a Bluetooth dongle on Windows 10.  Online others mentioned that, and my PC just would not recognise the dongle, although in the recent past another dongle had worked fine, but then stopped after updates. ::) ;)

What version of Windows are you running? It only applies to ver. 1903, anything before that should be fine.

Don't ask me that AA!  :o :o  I have not a clue; I just let the updates happen as others have said as I have not got the technical expertise to do anything else. ;D ;D ;D ;)

As long as the PC works at the speed I expect and does everything I want that is good enough for me :y
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 12 July 2019, 09:02:29
................................I have just amazed myself AA.

I have managed to find out that my system is running on Windows 10 Edition 1903!! 8) 8) ;D
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: The Pikey Pensioner on 12 July 2019, 11:25:32
................................I have just amazed myself AA.

I have managed to find out that my system is running on Windows 10 Edition 1903!! 8) 8) ;D

On older Bluetooth devices windows 1903 will disable it if it as not secure.
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: The Pikey Pensioner on 12 July 2019, 11:32:19
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4507623/some-bluetooth-devices-may-fail-to-pair-or-connect-after-applying-june
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 12 July 2019, 11:43:31
................................I have just amazed myself AA.

I have managed to find out that my system is running on Windows 10 Edition 1903!! 8) 8) ;D

On older Bluetooth devices windows 1903 will disable it if it as not secure.

That is interesting :y. 

I tried two different dongle types that were brand new and they both would not connect the Bluetooth devices in my home to the PC, which is what others found to be the case.  I sent them back for full refunds and having given up on making my PC Bluetooth connectable again; it is not worth the hassle! ::) ::) :D ;)
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: Eboy.com on 13 July 2019, 10:53:03
Whenever windows 10 do an update it comes on the screen not to turn off computer and then starts counting upwards as a % figure of completion.As soon as this reads 30% complete the computer automatically shuts down,then next time I turn it on it resumes the count until 100% is reached.Why doesn't it do it all in one go?
Normal. Happens with all updates.

It cannot update system files that are in use at that time, so that 30% is mostly to "queue up" the files to be installed early in the next boot.


Over simplification, of course.
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: Eboy.com on 13 July 2019, 10:54:00
Anyone installed ver. 1903 yet?

I've heard it can disable Bluetooth on some devices :-\
Not noticed any issues.  All my stuff is on 1903 (ignoring my works laptop), and all my bluetooth stuff still works.
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 13 July 2019, 12:25:28
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4507623/some-bluetooth-devices-may-fail-to-pair-or-connect-after-applying-june

My problem with the Bluetooth dongle started way before June. ;)
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: Eboy.com on 13 July 2019, 13:31:52
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4507623/some-bluetooth-devices-may-fail-to-pair-or-connect-after-applying-june

My problem with the Bluetooth dongle started way before June. ;)
Clue is in the update name - 1903, is Mar 19 if you were an early adopter
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 13 July 2019, 15:47:38
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4507623/some-bluetooth-devices-may-fail-to-pair-or-connect-after-applying-june

My problem with the Bluetooth dongle started way before June. ;)
Clue is in the update name - 1903, is Mar 19 if you were an early adopter

Ah, right, that makes sense! :y

Yes it was about then that my old dongle stopped working.

I just update as they automatically come through as I have not got the confidence or knowledge to do anything else.  I also know that users of PC's are warned to keep the updates current to ensure maximum protection, although I also have F-Secure loaded. ;)
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: Rods2 on 14 July 2019, 03:08:33
Yesterday, when the update menu came up with the restart now or delay the restart, I choose the latter to find my laptop had restarted this morning & requiring my password, thus confirming the manual update is nothing of the sort & if you have critical things running like long term reliability tests or things like a 3DMax render farm then you need to turn the updates totally off.
Title: Re: Updates
Post by: Eboy.com on 14 July 2019, 10:32:50
Yesterday, when the update menu came up with the restart now or delay the restart, I choose the latter to find my laptop had restarted this morning & requiring my password, thus confirming the manual update is nothing of the sort & if you have critical things running like long term reliability tests or things like a 3DMax render farm then you need to turn the updates totally off.
Or do the correct thing and adjust the hours its deemed you are not using it ;)

Disabling Windows updates is a bit silly really.