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Original?
« on: 04 November 2018, 08:24:23 »

The rusted wreck of a '60s Mini Cooper S has sold at auction for just north of 17K :o It is said to need a complete new bodyshell along with a new engine and a full restoration.So once it's done how can it be called the same car? Surely they couldn't[even if they wanted]claim it to be original?The big bucks are in original cars with preferably documented sporting history,this one-to me-would be a different car to the one that came from the factory and therefore worth a lot less-if put up for sale-and probably not come close to the costs which will be involved in returning it to the road.I know many if not all classic cars will have had bodywork etc at some point but where does originality end?
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Re: Original?
« Reply #1 on: 04 November 2018, 08:33:24 »

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Re: Original?
« Reply #2 on: 04 November 2018, 09:05:14 »

The value is the logbook and number plate.

Good question though about where does original end.
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Re: Original?
« Reply #3 on: 04 November 2018, 10:48:03 »

Originality is important for the really high value cars. But that drags up the price of the crap stuff too. Which is why a festering heap of rust pretending to be an 1100 mk1 Escort is now worth about 5k
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Re: Original?
« Reply #4 on: 04 November 2018, 10:50:34 »

Originality is important for the really high value cars. But that drags up the price of the crap stuff too. Which is why a festering heap of rust pretending to be an 1100 mk1 Escort is now worth about 5k

Good news for the Omega a few years down the line then. :)
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Re: Original?
« Reply #5 on: 04 November 2018, 11:41:59 »

Originality is important for the really high value cars. But that drags up the price of the crap stuff too. Which is why a festering heap of rust pretending to be an 1100 mk1 Escort is now worth about 5k

Good news for the Omega a few years down the line then. :)


No, because there has to be something desirable about the car to start with. So, RS Escorts and Coopers or competition history add value to their lower models. Omegas don't have such things, and are unlikely to ever be worth much. Even when there are only 10 left on the road ;D
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Re: Original?
« Reply #6 on: 04 November 2018, 11:47:12 »

Originality is important for the really high value cars. But that drags up the price of the crap stuff too. Which is why a festering heap of rust pretending to be an 1100 mk1 Escort is now worth about 5k

Good news for the Omega a few years down the line then. :)




No, because there has to be something desirable about the car to start with. So, RS Escorts and Coopers or competition history add value to their lower models. Omegas don't have such things, and are unlikely to ever be worth much. Even when there are only 10 left on the road ;D

I'd willingly pay 5000 for the original Escort Twin Cam from 1968. ;)
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Re: Original?
« Reply #7 on: 04 November 2018, 12:07:56 »

I suppose the most famous case[that I can recall anyway]over originality was some years ago involving  a car[Bentley?]known as "Old number 1,where the seller claimed it was the original vehicle because there was a short section of the chassis that could be traced back to its build.IIRC the claim was upheld in court.
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Re: Original?
« Reply #8 on: 04 November 2018, 12:08:36 »

I agree, when so much will be replaced, how can you call it in "original" condition!

It is like my other passion; steam railway engines.  When they are restored, especially from ex-Barry condition, so many parts are new replacements.  But, as long as the frames are "original" then the whole engine is considered to be the same. So many "original" parts can also come from other, long expired, members of that class of loco's.  That also justifies the "original" badge.  But if the frames are replaced, along with having a new boiler, then it cannot possibly be classed as "original".

The same must apply to motor vehicles.  If the body shell is brand new, or one extensively rebuilt, with an engine that never belonged to that vehicle, then, I think, it cannot be "original". ;)
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Re: Original?
« Reply #9 on: 04 November 2018, 12:55:25 »

No car is going to be 100% original after a year or two.

However, some owners are taking the piss with 'Trigger's broom' scenario.
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Re: Original?
« Reply #10 on: 04 November 2018, 13:08:57 »

Originality is important for the really high value cars. But that drags up the price of the crap stuff too. Which is why a festering heap of rust pretending to be an 1100 mk1 Escort is now worth about 5k

Good news for the Omega a few years down the line then. :)




No, because there has to be something desirable about the car to start with. So, RS Escorts and Coopers or competition history add value to their lower models. Omegas don't have such things, and are unlikely to ever be worth much. Even when there are only 10 left on the road ;D

I'd willingly pay 5000 for the original Escort Twin Cam from 1968. ;)

I will tell you exactly where it is for 5000.  :y
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Re: Original?
« Reply #11 on: 04 November 2018, 19:10:56 »

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Re: Original?
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