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Re: Yellow to grey mid
« Reply #15 on: 27 June 2018, 13:31:08 »

Fit the grey plug MID to the '97 cluster and call it done :y

Alternative is to rearrange the pins on the back of the cluster socket to correspond to the '98 cluster... :D
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Re: Yellow to grey mid
« Reply #16 on: 27 June 2018, 18:08:17 »

Both those instrument clusters seems like the new type to me. The old type 94/95 had rev counter divided in 250 rpm intervalls and speedo in 5 km/h intervalls. Those had different fuel senders. But all others from late 95 to end of production should use the same sender. Those had 500 rpm intervalls on rev counter and 10 km/h intervall on the speedo on the Opel versions. So in my 94 car i used a grey plug mid from a 98. Got mid programmed to 98 3,0 auto. Got the new type fuel sender and a speedo from 97/98 somewhere(green foil back). That worked great, but i ended up taking the white backplate from the new speedo with the print circuits and mated it to the rest of the 94 speedo just to keep the odometer correct and retain the original look.
But since your car is newer you should not have these issues. Original speedo in your car and original fuel sender should be OK with the grey plug mid. But is the mid programmed correctly?
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Re: Yellow to grey mid
« Reply #17 on: 27 June 2018, 19:47:57 »

Both those instrument clusters seems like the new type to me. The old type 94/95 had rev counter divided in 250 rpm intervalls and speedo in 5 km/h intervalls. Those had different fuel senders. But all others from late 95 to end of production should use the same sender. Those had 500 rpm intervalls on rev counter and 10 km/h intervall on the speedo on the Opel versions. So in my 94 car i used a grey plug mid from a 98. Got mid programmed to 98 3,0 auto. Got the new type fuel sender and a speedo from 97/98 somewhere(green foil back). That worked great, but i ended up taking the white backplate from the new speedo with the print circuits and mated it to the rest of the 94 speedo just to keep the odometer correct and retain the original look.
But since your car is newer you should not have these issues. Original speedo in your car and original fuel sender should be OK with the grey plug mid. But is the mid programmed correctly?
Top cluster is '97, lower one '98 :y
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Re: Yellow to grey mid
« Reply #18 on: 16 July 2018, 23:23:56 »

Did you figure this out yet? Cause i did just now:) bought a third omega. A 97 2,0 estate. One owner car has done just 60.000km. Had a tid fitted but it was completely gone. Only about 5 pixels still working. Figured out i would buy a grey plug mid since i needed a display anyway and dont want to be annoyed with pixel failures. Ran into the same problem you did. Radio info, and check control worked fine, but fuel computer functions was dead. Started crosschecking the pin list in this theead (which i followed) with Haynes. Turns out whoever wrote this list mixed up the wire colours on fuel sender and speed sensor. Pin 12 and pin 26 on the grey plug needs to be switched around. 12 should be blue/red and 26 should be blue/black. Everything working great now.
  Also job was much easier than it seems in the guide. This poverty spec 97 with a tid had ALL the wiring in place already. Yellow plug obviously in the tid, but the black plug with the rest og the wires was taped up just behind it. And behind the fuse box the multipin connector for the bulb control was present. Also wiring for the new stalk was present in the steering coloumn. Only needed the mid with plug, new stalk, bulb control unit and the various sensors in the engine bay. Wiring present for them to:) Happy days!
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Re: Yellow to grey mid
« Reply #19 on: 17 July 2018, 01:46:26 »

As I said in the guide, it was done on a 2004 police spec 3.2 manual using Haynes as a reference.

Many of the facelift wiring trace colours are slightly different although the primary colours are mostly the same, and that car had NONE of the sensor wiring present so it was all a ballache.
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Re: Yellow to grey mid
« Reply #20 on: 17 July 2018, 14:58:48 »

Cheers MonzaGse will try that, I'd come to the conclusion it must be an wiring diagram error as I tried 2 different omegas with the same f fault.
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Re: Yellow to grey mid
« Reply #21 on: 18 July 2018, 11:53:05 »

Cheers MonzaGse will try that, I'd come to the conclusion it must be an wiring diagram error as I tried 2 different omegas with the same f fault.
This is possible... Since writing the guide, I now have the facelift factory diagrams, but not the earlier ones... Perhaps someone with TIS could confirm the accuracy of Haynes MID wiring diagram :-\
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Re: Yellow to grey mid
« Reply #22 on: 18 July 2018, 20:28:01 »

For whats it worth, heres what i found when installing a grey connector mid in a 1997 tid equipped omega 2,0 estate. Pin diagram at the start of this thread was followed with the following exceptions:
Pin13 oil level sender is listed as brown/grey at least in the pfl omega its brown/green.
Pin 12 is listed as fuel level sender blue/black. On the grey plug mid pin 12 should be speed signal blue/red.
Pin 26 is listed as speed signal blue/red. This should be fuel sender blue/black.
Coolant level sender is listed at pin 28, but this should be at pin 20.

I also found on at least this pfl omega that in addition to the yellow connector for the tid, the 12p black connector with the rest of the wiring was taped up right behind it. The connector for bulb control was plugged in to a blank cover behind the fuse box, and wiring for the stalk was in place in the connector where the old non mid wiper stalk was plugged in(variable wipe). Coolant level connector was clipped to a holder by the coolant bottle and connectors for the front brake pad warnings where clipped to their ęsockets on the inner wings.
However washer fluid sensor connector was missing. Wires to this ended in the connector to the washer bottle loom. Also bottle on pfl should have sensor in the short side wall on the left side. Bottle is not prepared for a sensor(no Hole). So new bottle with wiring loom to sensor, and the two pumps is required. (Or make up wires those last 20cm and drill a Hole for the sensor in the bottle). Oil level sensor wiring ended in the big round connector attached to the battery wall. (The one closest to the engine) short circuited these wires with a paper clip inside that connector and the warning went away. Washer level and coolant level i will retrofit since these are smaller Jobs than the oil sensor.
Just wrote this down for future reference for those attempting this on a preface Omega.

Edit: Checked all my connections against Haynes wiring diag and afaik Haynes was correct on all pins. Everything is working except i got coolant and wiper fluid warnings. Logical since i havent got the sensors in place yet:)
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Re: Yellow to grey mid
« Reply #23 on: 19 July 2018, 12:29:53 »

Congratulations  :y swapped over the 2 wires you suggested and now have a figure in my range setting



Thanks again John
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Re: Yellow to grey mid
« Reply #24 on: 19 July 2018, 12:40:26 »

I see both of you have non facelift cars...

The guide I wrote was on a late facelift car using bits robbed from another facelift car of similar age. I did say at the time to cross reference everything and that the detail may not apply to other models.

Had you followed the Haynes diagrams rather than the facelift guide, then you shouldn't have had any problems...

Glad both sorted though :y
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Re: Yellow to grey mid
« Reply #25 on: 19 July 2018, 12:52:37 »

Unless you also use the name MarksDTM I wasn't following your guide as I already had full MFD functionality and was just replacing the old style display which had lost most of it's pixels.
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Re: Yellow to grey mid
« Reply #26 on: 19 July 2018, 14:06:17 »

Unless you also use the name MarksDTM I wasn't following your guide as I already had full MFD functionality and was just replacing the old style display which had lost most of it's pixels.
:D lol, that one's all Mark ;) mine was the TID to MID one ;)
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Re: Yellow to grey mid
« Reply #27 on: 19 July 2018, 16:38:02 »

Just for clarification, i was also talking about the markdtm pin list quoted at the beginning of this thread:) since  my car had all the cabin/dashwiring inplace allready congrats on your working mid btw anihilator!
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