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LPG resurgence?
« on: 17 February 2018, 22:43:38 »

Today, I have been painting the cellars, which leaves plenty of time for contemplation.  ::)

Given that pressure is being brought to bear to limit the ease of use of diesels, but the price of petrol isnít getting any less, Im thinking thereís scope for an increase in lpg uptake for those of us doing a lot of miles.

Just as an example, Iíd really like, when funds allow to move to an auto. 2.0T insignia elite with lpg seems like a decent 60mpg option for about £4-5k.

I wouldnít be surprised to see an uptick in the number of lpg stations over the next few yrs
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Re: LPG resurgence?
« Reply #1 on: 17 February 2018, 22:57:12 »

Trouble is, Government are hitting LPG with increased duty year on year so the price difference is reducing. It was 17ppl when I got my first LPG motor about 12 years ago. At the same garage it is now 68 - Petrol hasnít increased 4 times over in that time :-\
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« Reply #2 on: 17 February 2018, 23:17:47 »

True! Although I think part of the narrowing of the gap is due to the way the govít applies duty, ie Xp per litre. But yes the duty has ramped up!!
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Re: LPG resurgence?
« Reply #3 on: 17 February 2018, 23:19:29 »

One of my concerns as well, my two fill stations near work are 67p now.

Just two years ago they were around 50p.  :(

LPG used to be under half the cost, I remember filling up at 49.9 at Asda High Wycombe. Now generally it's about 119 for petrol and 67p for LPG, so savings not so good any more.
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Re: LPG resurgence?
« Reply #4 on: 18 February 2018, 09:08:36 »

Outside of Londonium, LPG has always been pricey - when I use to work opposite Harry Potter less than a couple of years ago, *all* the stations around there were 20ppl cheaper than the "options" I have here (20 mile round trip to towcester, or 30m round trip to Bicester).

But LPG is still hovering around just over half the price of tractor fuel in these parts.


I don't think manufacturers will jump on LPG bandwagon, as they are investing in, and betting the shop on, milk floats of various varieties.

Small engine, efficient, turbocharged petrols will be the future of the combustion engine in new car designs.
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Re: LPG resurgence?
« Reply #5 on: 18 February 2018, 09:47:26 »

True! Although I think part of the narrowing of the gap is due to the way the govít applies duty, ie Xp per litre. But yes the duty has ramped up!!

Thatís completely it. The duty differential is being reduced by the government so before long it wonít be as viable, IMO.

Iím not even sure I will convert another car to be honest.  :-\
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Re: LPG resurgence?
« Reply #6 on: 18 February 2018, 10:57:29 »

Let me see. It's proven technology and the infrastructure already exists. Nope. Won't get any political support at all.

Let's continue to pretend that tractors with DPFs actually work, and that the grid has the spare capacity to charge a significant number of EVs. ::)
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Re: LPG resurgence?
« Reply #7 on: 18 February 2018, 14:38:28 »

True! Although I think part of the narrowing of the gap is due to the way the govít applies duty, ie Xp per litre. But yes the duty has ramped up!!

Thatís completely it. The duty differential is being reduced by the government so before long it wonít be as viable, IMO.

Iím not even sure I will convert another car to be honest.  :-\

Well....governments of all colours are fond of taxing things we don't buy or use at a low rate.

Then things become more popular and.............. :-\
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« Reply #8 on: 18 February 2018, 14:40:14 »

Let me see. It's proven technology and the infrastructure already exists. Nope. Won't get any political support at all.

Let's continue to pretend that tractors with DPFs actually work, and that the grid has the spare capacity to charge a significant number of EVs. ::)

Alice in Wonderland is a great read. :)
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Re: LPG resurgence?
« Reply #9 on: 18 February 2018, 14:51:46 »

I disagree, LPG is cheaper now that it has been for years, currently around 53 to 56p around here against 1.22 for Petrol, thats well under half the price, wasn't that long ago, maybe 3/4 years, if you could get LPG for 70p your were having a result, and it was always priced slightly more than half the petrol costs.  :y
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Re: LPG resurgence?
« Reply #10 on: 18 February 2018, 14:52:25 »

LPG is still 55.7 at the local Morrison's BUT there is a vicious rumour  that they may be removing the pumps  :'(

The nearest one after that is a 10 mile round trip in the opposite direction to the one I normally travel in and the cheeky barsewards  charge 70 pence a litre  >:( >:(

This is worrying me to the extent that I have spent the last couple of days looking at 530d and E320 cdi estates  :(
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Re: LPG resurgence?
« Reply #11 on: 18 February 2018, 15:25:57 »

LPG is still 55.7 at the local Morrison's BUT there is a vicious rumour  that they may be removing the pumps  :'(

The nearest one after that is a 10 mile round trip in the opposite direction to the one I normally travel in and the cheeky barsewards  charge 70 pence a litre  >:( >:(

This is worrying me to the extent that I have spent the last couple of days looking at 530d and E320 cdi estates  :(
Thats one of the drawbacks with LPG, the need to having a good selection near you for Price competition, still worth going out of your way to fill up rather than using the default Petrol though.

Is there not a MRH Garage near you TG (normally MRH BP or Esso), not allways the cheapest but they do the LPG up to 10p Accumulater Card which can make it worth while on multi visits.

Cheapest places for LPG in the UK is Birmingham, Bradford, Manchester and East London, its always been competitive in Brum due to the number of Gas Centres around the area, currently sub 49p.

 
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Re: LPG resurgence?
« Reply #12 on: 18 February 2018, 16:13:42 »

cheapest around here is asda at 51p per litre next one is an autogas place at 60p per litre :y
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« Reply #13 on: 18 February 2018, 16:51:33 »

I cannot get any way near those figures, thatís across 3 different stations.  :'(

As per above, only need one to remove pumps, the next nearest can charge what they like  :(
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Re: LPG resurgence?
« Reply #14 on: 18 February 2018, 16:52:48 »

I disagree, LPG is cheaper now that it has been for years, currently around 53 to 56p around here against 1.22 for Petrol, thats well under half the price, wasn't that long ago, maybe 3/4 years, if you could get LPG for 70p your were having a result, and it was always priced slightly more than half the petrol costs.  :y
Within a 40 mile radius of here, you'll be hard pressed to find LPG sub 69p. That's including large towns like Banburyshire, Oxford, Aylesbury, Bicester, Leighton Buzzard, Milton Keynes, Northampton, Daventry etc.

To make matters worse, around half the LPG stations in that area above - and there wasn't that many to begin with - had their pumps removed when most BP stations had the pumps ripped out...  ...or shortly after that time when a few of the local Shell stations were rebranded to BP.

Within a 40 mile round trip, there are 3 LPG filling stations now - Shell at Towcester (easy to get to, frequently the pumps aren't working), Shell at Bicester (though a complete arse of all arses to get to since Chiltern Slugline tarted up what was Bicester Town station, due to the level crossing having to be down if there is a train in the station (and I hear they've now applied for that crossing to be active for 50mins in every hour :o), and the private Countrywide in Banburyshire (account based, you have a key to allow you to draw fuel).


Hence I now have a tractor  :'(
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« Reply #15 on: 18 February 2018, 18:13:36 »

LPG is still 55.7 at the local Morrison's BUT there is a vicious rumour  that they may be removing the pumps  :'(

The nearest one after that is a 10 mile round trip in the opposite direction to the one I normally travel in and the cheeky barsewards  charge 70 pence a litre  >:( >:(

This is worrying me to the extent that I have spent the last couple of days looking at 530d and E320 cdi estates  :(
Thats one of the drawbacks with LPG, the need to having a good selection near you for Price competition, still worth going out of your way to fill up rather than using the default Petrol though.

Is there not a MRH Garage near you TG (normally MRH BP or Esso), not allways the cheapest but they do the LPG up to 10p Accumulater Card which can make it worth while on multi visits.

Cheapest places for LPG in the UK is Birmingham, Bradford, Manchester and East London, its always been competitive in Brum due to the number of Gas Centres around the area, currently sub 49p.

 





Doesn't help with only been able to squeeze about 44 litres in there  :(
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« Reply #16 on: 19 February 2018, 10:49:36 »

My last lpg car was converted back when the local filling station stopped selling lpg, a 15 mile trip to buy fuel each way didnt make sense.

I can buy diesel anywhere. including the corner shop if Im that low,  it comes in bottles and is labeled mazola.
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« Reply #17 on: 19 February 2018, 14:42:31 »

My last lpg car was converted back when the local filling station stopped selling lpg, a 15 mile trip to buy fuel each way didnt make sense.

I can buy diesel anywhere. including the corner shop if Im that low,  it comes in bottles and is labeled mazola.
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« Reply #18 on: 19 February 2018, 15:58:17 »

Ive just been and collected 130 litres of KTC finest, which cost me a tenner.  :y :)
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« Reply #19 on: 19 February 2018, 16:00:58 »

Do you mean KFC, Albs?

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« Reply #21 on: 19 February 2018, 21:39:04 »

My old Merc used to run very well on KTC!  :y
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« Reply #22 on: 19 February 2018, 21:42:25 »

Do you mean KFC, Albs?

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« Reply #23 on: 20 February 2018, 19:16:24 »

Do you mean KFC, Albs?

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They won't be throwing away much oil now they've run out of chicken. ;D
Chicken? In KFC?

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« Reply #24 on: 20 February 2018, 19:34:06 »

Do you mean KFC, Albs?

Ron.

They won't be throwing away much oil now they've run out of chicken. ;D
Chicken? In KFC?

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« Reply #25 on: 20 February 2018, 20:17:29 »

Given that in the last year I've done 20K in a 3.2 V6 I probably should think about the cost benefit analysis of such an investment.
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« Reply #26 on: 22 February 2018, 16:15:55 »

There is a great guide on here and plenty of expertise to go with it  :y

Have a look, its pretty easy if you take your time, have more then 3 brain cells and a half decent tool kit   :y
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« Reply #27 on: 22 February 2018, 17:12:36 »

That reminds me. I think I was supposed to be rescuing the images from some of the LPG guides. Must take a look.
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« Reply #28 on: 10 March 2018, 21:16:29 »

There is a great guide on here and plenty of expertise to go with it  :y

Have a look, its pretty easy if you take your time, have more then 3 brain cells and a half decent tool kit   :y

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