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« Reply #1 on: 13 May 2018, 10:23:20 »

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« Reply #3 on: 13 May 2018, 10:31:34 »

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Re: Expensive oil change or not?
« Reply #4 on: 13 May 2018, 10:50:00 »

Last year I bought 2 x 5 litres of Shell Helix from ECP for 20 delivered. I still have them.

Bit like sex really. You have to get it when you can.......if the price is right. :)
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« Reply #5 on: 13 May 2018, 11:00:44 »

That reminded me of Billy Connoly's 3 rules for those of advancing years:-
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Re: Expensive oil change or not?
« Reply #6 on: 13 May 2018, 11:32:48 »

That reminded me of Billy Connoly's 3 rules for those of advancing years:-
1) Never pass a public toilet.
2) Never trust a fart.
3) Never waste an erection - even if you are alone!

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« Reply #7 on: 13 May 2018, 11:58:18 »

That reminded me of Billy Connoly's 3 rules for those of advancing years:-
1) Never pass a public toilet.
2) Never trust a fart.
3) Never waste an erection - even if you are alone!

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I used to carry it around with me, but one of the public toilets had no bog roll.
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Re: Expensive oil change or not?
« Reply #8 on: 13 May 2018, 12:11:03 »

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Re: Expensive oil change or not?
« Reply #9 on: 13 May 2018, 12:22:18 »

Hang on a minute. Dexon II is the same spec! Got about 10ltrs of that in my garage :y
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« Reply #10 on: 13 May 2018, 15:08:34 »

Hang on a minute. Dexon II is the same spec! Got about 10ltrs of that in my garage :y
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« Reply #11 on: 13 May 2018, 16:06:40 »

Hang on a minute. Dexon II is the same spec! Got about 10ltrs of that in my garage :y
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« Reply #12 on: 13 May 2018, 16:16:49 »

Hang on a minute. Dexon II is the same spec! Got about 10ltrs of that in my garage :y
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Dex 2 isn't engine oil ::)
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« Reply #13 on: 13 May 2018, 16:46:20 »

Hang on a minute. Dexon II is the same spec! Got about 10ltrs of that in my garage :y

That's ATF ...ie auto transmission fluid  ;)
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Re: Expensive oil change or not?
« Reply #14 on: 13 May 2018, 17:04:47 »

Did you mean Dexxos? That's GM's 5w30. Probably be fine. :y
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Re: Expensive oil change or not?
« Reply #15 on: 13 May 2018, 17:13:49 »

Did you mean Dexxos? That's GM's 5w30. Probably be fine. :y
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« Reply #16 on: 13 May 2018, 17:27:44 »

Did you mean Dexxos? That's GM's 5w30. Probably be fine. :y

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Re: Expensive oil change or not?
« Reply #17 on: 14 May 2018, 17:56:58 »

Last year I bought 2 x 5 litres of Shell Helix from ECP for 20 delivered.
Shell Helix is a brand name, and available in many different specs. So you don't want to just grab "Shell Helix" and bung it in, it needs to be the right Shell Helix :y
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Re: Expensive oil change or not?
« Reply #18 on: 14 May 2018, 17:58:15 »

Did you mean Dexxos? That's GM's 5w30. Probably be fine. :y
The usual Dexos2 we use Omegas (those with more money than sense :D) is not suitable for modern diesels, sadly :(
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Re: Expensive oil change or not?
« Reply #19 on: 14 May 2018, 18:01:57 »

AA - what is the exact spec in your glovebox manual.

If I learnt anything from the saga locating suitable oil for the Jag, its that the automatic oil recommendations from the likes of ECP/CP4L are wrong, and suggest an incorrect oil.

The cheapest I could find for mine (which is a different spec to the one in your original link, which was a different type of low SAPS oil) was from Tradeclub, and was around 50+VAT for 20l.
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« Reply #20 on: 14 May 2018, 18:10:44 »

AA - what is the exact spec in your glovebox manual.

If I learnt anything from the saga locating suitable oil for the Jag, its that the automatic oil recommendations from the likes of ECP/CP4L are wrong, and suggest an incorrect oil.

The cheapest I could find for mine (which is a different spec to the one in your original link, which was a different type of low SAPS oil) was from Tradeclub, and was around 50+VAT for 20l.

228.51 :  229.31 : 229.51

What oil spec did you buy from Trade Club?
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« Reply #21 on: 14 May 2018, 18:24:03 »

AA - what is the exact spec in your glovebox manual.

If I learnt anything from the saga locating suitable oil for the Jag, its that the automatic oil recommendations from the likes of ECP/CP4L are wrong, and suggest an incorrect oil.

The cheapest I could find for mine (which is a different spec to the one in your original link, which was a different type of low SAPS oil) was from Tradeclub, and was around 50+VAT for 20l.

228.51 :  229.31 : 229.51

What oil spec did you buy from Trade Club?

Presumably thats a merc spec, what does it translate to in industry standard terms.


I bought a specific oil matching the Ford 934b spec mentioned in my manual.
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« Reply #22 on: 14 May 2018, 18:25:14 »

AA - what is the exact spec in your glovebox manual.

If I learnt anything from the saga locating suitable oil for the Jag, its that the automatic oil recommendations from the likes of ECP/CP4L are wrong, and suggest an incorrect oil.

The cheapest I could find for mine (which is a different spec to the one in your original link, which was a different type of low SAPS oil) was from Tradeclub, and was around 50+VAT for 20l.

228.51 :  229.31 : 229.51

What oil spec did you buy from Trade Club?

Presumably thats a merc spec, what does it translate to in industry standard terms.


I bought a specific oil matching the Ford 934b spec mentioned in my manual.

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« Reply #23 on: 14 May 2018, 18:27:22 »

The oil you bought should quote numbers on the side of the can.

Can you check for me please, and see if they match?
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« Reply #24 on: 14 May 2018, 18:40:21 »

The oil you bought should quote numbers on the side of the can.

Can you check for me please, and see if they match?
Seeing as your first link said it was C3, and I know this stuff is C1...

...but when I get my ass out of the bath, I'll look :y
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« Reply #25 on: 14 May 2018, 18:42:25 »

Trade club oil finder says C3
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« Reply #26 on: 14 May 2018, 18:45:40 »

Trade club oil finder says C3
So that's prob the one you want, but check it means those Merc specs you posted up as well :y

My C1 one clearly stated it met the relevant JLR specs and Ford specs :y
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« Reply #27 on: 14 May 2018, 19:14:07 »

Trade club oil finder says C3
So that's prob the one you want, but check it means those Merc specs you posted up as well :y

My C1 one clearly stated it met the relevant JLR specs and Ford specs :y

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« Reply #28 on: 15 May 2018, 10:01:58 »

GM Dexos 2 oil specs:

PERFORMANCE LEVELS
API SN
ACEA C3
BMW Longlife-04
MB 229.51
VW 502.00 / 505.01
GM Dexos2


PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS
Viscosity @ 100C, cSt. 11.8
Viscosity @ 40C, cSt 67.7
Viscosity Index 171
Density @ 15.6C 0.850
Flash Point (Closed) C 205
TBN, mg/KOH/g 7.1
Pour Point, C -33

Its is a low SAPS diesel oil
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« Reply #29 on: 15 May 2018, 11:17:58 »

I have to question why anyone would buy a diesel and do 5k a year and to then change the oil every 6 months. If you were doing the mileage, I'd agree, but that just seems excessive.

A lot of garages now just buy oil in 5L containers, as there are so many different types/spec recommended by the car makers, they cover their 455 by just getting genuine stuff. It means the customer pays more, but they don't want to ride the risk of future problems. Gone are the days where they keep 10w40 and 5w30 in quantity and it gets one or the other.

There was a 5 year old Jag diesel (the Transit engine one) in my mates garage at weekend. It came in with trouble starting. It had done 15k and really needed a new engine. Apparently, the car had tried literally 100's of times (from ECU read) to run the DPF regen cycle, but due to short journeys, it never got chance to complete. The result? The turbo was screwed and there was a 4mm gap in the piston rings and of course lovely scores and a lip on the bores.

The sales guy who sold that customer a diesel wants shooting.
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« Reply #30 on: 15 May 2018, 11:38:39 »

Surprised it lasted 5 years, mine does a regen every 2-300 miles, depending on type of driving.
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« Reply #31 on: 15 May 2018, 12:05:20 »

GM Dexos 2 oil specs:

PERFORMANCE LEVELS
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MB 229.51
VW 502.00 / 505.01
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Viscosity @ 100C, cSt. 11.8
Viscosity @ 40C, cSt 67.7
Viscosity Index 171
Density @ 15.6C 0.850
Flash Point (Closed) C 205
TBN, mg/KOH/g 7.1
Pour Point, C -33

Its is a low SAPS diesel oil

I thought I hadn't misread it :y
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« Reply #32 on: 15 May 2018, 16:30:10 »

The sales guy who sold that customer a diesel wants shooting.

.. as does the guy who configured the engine management system. Why it couldn't just light the EML and store a code telling the garage to do a manual DPF regen once it has tried a couple of times, I don't know.

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« Reply #33 on: 15 May 2018, 19:15:23 »

Allegedly the Ford/PSA engine in Kitty does light up a DPF warning in yellow if you really need to take it on a jaunt for the DPF, and red if you REALLY, REALLY need to do so.


Never seen it come on, but then it does get some half decent runs.
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« Reply #34 on: 15 May 2018, 19:52:23 »

The astra stays 'DPF blocked keep driving'...a fellow owner tells me. I can easily tell when it's doing a regen, it raises the revs to just under 1000 from 850 at rest. Use the gears manually, keep the revs around 2000 and it's done in about 5 mins. Fickin annoying when you pull up at the end of a journey and notice the revs, though. A couple of times I've just switched the ignition off, it then protests by putting the fans on.
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« Reply #35 on: 15 May 2018, 21:17:25 »

Allegedly the Ford/PSA engine in Kitty does light up a DPF warning in yellow if you really need to take it on a jaunt for the DPF, and red if you REALLY, REALLY need to do so.


Never seen it come on, but then it does get some half decent runs.

And I gather you, the loud pedal and the tufted Wilton are all very well acquainted. So it probably gets a decent blow through  :y

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« Reply #36 on: 15 May 2018, 21:47:09 »

The astra stays 'DPF blocked keep driving'...a fellow owner tells me. I can easily tell when it's doing a regen, it raises the revs to just under 1000 from 850 at rest. Use the gears manually, keep the revs around 2000 and it's done in about 5 mins. Fickin annoying when you pull up at the end of a journey and notice the revs, though. A couple of times I've just switched the ignition off, it then protests by putting the fans on.

For the first time in my ownership I noticed the Zaf doing a re-gen at the weekend, returning from doing a 40 minute run. As you say revs up to around 1,000 or so. Noticed at the traffic lights, thought I would need to do a longer run, but by the time I got home it was back to idling to 800rpm.
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« Reply #37 on: 15 May 2018, 22:09:28 »

Allegedly the Ford/PSA engine in Kitty does light up a DPF warning in yellow if you really need to take it on a jaunt for the DPF, and red if you REALLY, REALLY need to do so.


Never seen it come on, but then it does get some half decent runs.

And I gather you, the loud pedal and the tufted Wilton are all very well acquainted. So it probably gets a decent blow through  :y

Stemo, get yer foot down  ;D
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« Reply #38 on: 15 May 2018, 23:15:47 »

Not sure the dog would be overly chuffed at the prospect either...  ::)
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« Reply #39 on: 16 May 2018, 16:00:52 »

That's the oil/filter and air filter changed. :y
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« Reply #40 on: 16 May 2018, 18:02:39 »

Not sure the dog would be overly chuffed at the prospect either...  ::)
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