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Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« on: 01 July 2018, 17:46:22 »

It won't fold when I lock the car and makes a noise similar to a vibrating sex toy for about 20 seconds. I'm guessing the motor is f*ucked. :-

The other mirror is fine, both when locking the car, and closing the mirrors using the buttons inside the car.


Any ideas, chaps?

The car has a 2 year Jaguar warranty so I hope the mirrors are covered because I remember TB saying they can be costly to replace.
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #1 on: 01 July 2018, 17:58:48 »

If they're making a noise, I'd say the motor is working, but some part of the mechanism has seized/broken.
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #2 on: 01 July 2018, 18:00:16 »

It's probably stopping after 20 seconds to stop the motor burning out.
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #3 on: 01 July 2018, 18:25:40 »

If they're making a noise, I'd say the motor is working, but some part of the mechanism has seized/broken.

Well.....it's a noisy bastard.
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #4 on: 01 July 2018, 18:42:48 »

If they're making a noise, I'd say the motor is working, but some part of the mechanism has seized/broken.

Well.....it's a noisy bastard.
I'm not keen on them. My astra ones don't fold with the ignition key, thankfully, so I only use them when necessary. They kind of jerk a bit at a time instead of folding smoothly, and there's even a piece in the book that says you can force them manually if they stick. Hardly inspires confidence.
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #5 on: 01 July 2018, 18:46:11 »

Presumably the manual override ability limits damage to the mechanism if they get knocked :-\
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #6 on: 01 July 2018, 18:48:39 »

Presumably the manual override ability limits damage to the mechanism if they get knocked :-\
Good thinking, Batman.  :y
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #7 on: 01 July 2018, 18:59:14 »

I can fold the mirror manually. A bit more stiff than the other side to begin with but now quite sloppy.
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #8 on: 01 July 2018, 19:11:32 »

 I've just discovered that power fold mirrors not standard on all XF's.

How tight can you get. :-\


You can get them on a Fiesta.
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #9 on: 01 July 2018, 19:14:13 »

I can fold the mirror manually. A bit more stiff than the other side to begin with but now quite sloppy.
I reckon part of the linkage has broken. Doesn't really matter, though, if it's not under warranty it will be a thousand pounds to fix.  :)
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #10 on: 01 July 2018, 19:18:47 »

Yes you can get them on a Fiesta-but by no means all models have them as standard-and surprisingly they break as well :D ;D
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #11 on: 01 July 2018, 19:20:47 »

I can fold the mirror manually. A bit more stiff than the other side to begin with but now quite sloppy.
I reckon part of the linkage has broken. Doesn't really matter, though, if it's not under warranty it will be a thousand pounds to fix:)

That is me well and truly fooked then.

Do I look like a man with £1000? :-\
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #12 on: 01 July 2018, 19:22:57 »

TB should know.

He may own an arthritic old oil burner but the mirrors should be similar. :)
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #13 on: 01 July 2018, 22:00:16 »


Do I look like a man with £1000? :-\

Yes.  :)
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #14 on: 01 July 2018, 22:15:18 »

can you not get a borescope down behind the glass to look at the gubbings behind the mirror ?
sounds like stripped cog teeth ?
TB knows a cheap dentist  :y
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #15 on: 02 July 2018, 00:30:38 »

Full ashtray, broken mirror, sounds like it's time to get a new one m'lud! :P

I've known a rich person like you get rid of a 3 month old Audi Q7, and all that had happened was 10l of liquid tar roof paint, moved in his boot a bit before the lid fell off. ;D :-X
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #16 on: 02 July 2018, 12:54:32 »

I've emailed a 30 second video of the noisy but inoperative wing mirror to a local Jaguar dealer. He should be able to tell me if the fault is covered by the warranty.....or not.

If not, labour charges are £135 plus VAT..........£162 P/H. :o :o :o :-X
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #17 on: 02 July 2018, 13:00:35 »

If they can't change a door mirror in under an hour, then you have bigger issues than £162 ???
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #18 on: 02 July 2018, 13:03:22 »

If they can't change a door mirror in under an hour, then you have bigger issues than £162 ???

I'm opti-mistic it will be covered by the warranty, Al. :y

I dread to think of the price of a new door mirror. :-\
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #19 on: 02 July 2018, 13:05:19 »

Fingers crossed, especially as it was near as damn it brand new when you bought it  :y
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #20 on: 02 July 2018, 13:50:24 »

On the X-type, I got the same issue and opened it up to find that the gears weren't meshing. The mechanism was encased in a clip-together plastic box, of the type that the motors in wind-up Christmas cracker toys were. I re-meshed the gears, clipped and glued the poxy plastic box closed and had no more issues.

Maybe worth a look if Tata won't honour the warranty.  :y
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #21 on: 02 July 2018, 13:55:06 »

On the X-type, I got the same issue and opened it up to find that the gears weren't meshing. The mechanism was encased in a clip-together plastic box, of the type that the motors in wind-up Christmas cracker toys were. I re-meshed the gears, clipped and glued the poxy plastic box closed and had no more issues.

Maybe worth a look if Tata won't honour the warranty. :y

Very much so, Jimmy. :y

The idea of paying some ridiculous figure for a f*ucking mirror doesn't bear thinking about.
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #22 on: 02 July 2018, 18:18:52 »

Does it operate correctly when the engine is running, and you powerfold them (probably press both buttons either side of jotstick)?  If so, might be battery related, if not, buggered mirror.

My mirrors are different, and I know the glass alone for mine is over £150
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #23 on: 02 July 2018, 18:22:31 »

My EPC is too old to cover your car Opti, but 5 yrs ago, a current XF mirror (electric, memory, self-antidazzle, powerfold) was £400, part number C2Z17762  (which may or may not be right for your car)
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #24 on: 02 July 2018, 19:07:01 »

My EPC is too old to cover your car Opti, but 5 yrs ago, a current XF mirror (electric, memory, self-antidazzle, powerfold) was £400, part number C2Z17762  (which may or may not be right for your car)
That's quite reasonable for a jaaag.  ;D
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« Reply #25 on: 02 July 2018, 19:55:23 »

Does it operate correctly when the engine is running, and you powerfold them (probably press both buttons either side of jotstick)?  If so, might be battery related, if not, buggered mirror.

My mirrors are different, and I know the glass alone for mine is over £150

Nope........no movement at all. Just the vibrating noise.

Jaguar have not got back to me. :-\......I suppose they think £162 P/H isn't worth getting out of bed for.
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« Reply #26 on: 02 July 2018, 20:20:23 »

My EPC is too old to cover your car Opti, but 5 yrs ago, a current XF mirror (electric, memory, self-antidazzle, powerfold) was £400, part number C2Z17762  (which may or may not be right for your car)
That's quite reasonable for a jaaag.  ;D
Cheaper than GM ;)

TBH, some parts are quite reasonable. And then their are XJ front pads ;D
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #27 on: 02 July 2018, 21:24:41 »

I've emailed a 30 second video of the noisy but inoperative wing mirror to a local Jaguar dealer. He should be able to tell me if the fault is covered by the warranty.....or not.

If not, labour charges are £135 plus VAT..........£162 P/H. :o :o :o :-X

For a man of your means that makes more than that per second 24/7, are such trifling costs worthwhile spending time & fretting over m'lud? ??? Cough up and spend the saved time with the SIL or your chambermaid. ;)
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #28 on: 02 July 2018, 21:54:47 »

I've emailed a 30 second video of the noisy but inoperative wing mirror to a local Jaguar dealer. He should be able to tell me if the fault is covered by the warranty.....or not.

If not, labour charges are £135 plus VAT..........£162 P/H. :o :o :o :-X

For a man of your means that makes more than that per second 24/7, are such trifling costs worthwhile spending time & fretting over m'lud? ??? Cough up and spend the saved time with the SIL or your chambermaid. ;)

It's not that our Lord Opti can't afford it, it's just that he's as tight as a mackerel's arse!  :-X

He got shot of his Merc because the maintenance costs scared the crap out of him!  ;D

Maybe the Jaag will go the same way?  ???  :-\  After all he still has the mighty Signum!  :y
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« Reply #29 on: 02 July 2018, 22:19:31 »

I've emailed a 30 second video of the noisy but inoperative wing mirror to a local Jaguar dealer. He should be able to tell me if the fault is covered by the warranty.....or not.

If not, labour charges are £135 plus VAT..........£162 P/H. :o :o :o :-X

For a man of your means that makes more than that per second 24/7, are such trifling costs worthwhile spending time & fretting over m'lud? ??? Cough up and spend the saved time with the SIL or your chambermaid. ;)

It's not that our Lord Opti can't afford it, it's just that he's as tight as a mackerel's arse! :-X

He got shot of his Merc because the maintenance costs scared the crap out of him!  ;D

Maybe the Jaag will go the same way?  ???  :-\  After all he still has the mighty Signum!  :y
I think we all suffer a bit from that illogical type of tightness. We will spend thousands on a car, but baulk at the cost of repairs/maintenance.
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« Reply #30 on: 03 July 2018, 10:31:19 »

I've emailed a 30 second video of the noisy but inoperative wing mirror to a local Jaguar dealer. He should be able to tell me if the fault is covered by the warranty.....or not.

If not, labour charges are £135 plus VAT..........£162 P/H. :o :o :o :-X

For a man of your means that makes more than that per second 24/7, are such trifling costs worthwhile spending time & fretting over m'lud? ??? Cough up and spend the saved time with the SIL or your chambermaid. ;)



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« Reply #31 on: 03 July 2018, 10:33:22 »

I've emailed a 30 second video of the noisy but inoperative wing mirror to a local Jaguar dealer. He should be able to tell me if the fault is covered by the warranty.....or not.

If not, labour charges are £135 plus VAT..........£162 P/H. :o :o :o :-X

For a man of your means that makes more than that per second 24/7, are such trifling costs worthwhile spending time & fretting over m'lud? ??? Cough up and spend the saved time with the SIL or your chambermaid. ;)

It's not that our Lord Opti can't afford it, it's just that he's as tight as a mackerel's arse!  :-X

He got shot of his Merc because the maintenance costs scared the crap out of him!  ;D

Maybe the Jaag will go the same way?  ???  :-\  After all he still has the mighty Signum!  :y


Taxman scares the crap out of me. :(
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #32 on: 03 July 2018, 10:37:51 »

Still no response from Jaguar.

Piss poor customer service as usual.
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« Reply #33 on: 03 July 2018, 11:27:52 »

They’re not in the business of looking after cars.

Just flogging you another  :(
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« Reply #34 on: 03 July 2018, 12:02:37 »

They’re not in the business of looking after cars.

Just flogging you another  on finance :(
Besides, they have probably found that if the wait a week, the warranty will be up :-X
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #35 on: 03 July 2018, 17:31:57 »

Still no response from Jaguar.

Piss poor customer service as usual.
Dealers (of all marques) are disgracefully bad and mostly incompetent.  My own experience of Jag dealers is only Stratstone in MK, and they are unbelievably bad on servicing - rude, incompetent, and have have low standards.

If other Jag dealers are as bad, then people won't use them (bar those that think "great service" is a machine cup of coffee and leftover cake), and Jaguar will lose customers.
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #36 on: 05 July 2018, 11:53:34 »

I've just been informed the fault will be repaired/replaced under warranty.

Should save me a bob or two. :y


She is booked in to see 'the mirror doctor' next week. Should take no more than a couple of hours, apparently. :)
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« Reply #37 on: 05 July 2018, 12:33:49 »

Just checked here, not a known fault with a TSB and would be covered under warranty, you can disable the auto fold in the mean time using the vehicle settings area of the touch screen
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« Reply #38 on: 05 July 2018, 12:41:08 »

Just checked here, not a known fault with a TSB and would be covered under warranty, you can disable the auto fold in the mean time using the vehicle settings area of the touch screen

Yes......I have done this.  Stationary mirror still make a noise like a vibrating sex toy for about 20 seconds when I open the door though. :)
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #39 on: 05 July 2018, 12:46:18 »

The closed/open park position switch is not being tripped hence the controller is chucking power on to try to get it to the correct position.

Is it easy to move by hand?
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« Reply #40 on: 05 July 2018, 12:52:08 »

The closed/open park position switch is not being tripped hence the controller is chucking power on to try to get it to the correct position.

Is it easy to move by hand?


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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #41 on: 05 July 2018, 12:54:19 »

If its currently in the fully open position and still making a noise then the actuator has been damaged and is no longer connected, at least the ECU turns the motor function off after 20 seconds!  :y
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #42 on: 05 July 2018, 13:06:43 »

If its currently in the fully open position and still making a noise then the actuator has been damaged and is no longer connected, at least the ECU turns the motor function off after 20 seconds!  :y

Expensive to fix if not covered by the warranty?
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #43 on: 05 July 2018, 13:14:16 »

If its currently in the fully open position and still making a noise then the actuator has been damaged and is no longer connected, at least the ECU turns the motor function off after 20 seconds!  :y

Expensive to fix if not covered by the warranty?

You can't get the fold motor on its own that I can see (you can get the glass movement) so its complete mirror assembly only but loads available second hand (if you were to pop the mirror cover off you would see the part)

Dead easy to fit, states 0.4 for labour
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #44 on: 05 July 2018, 16:24:36 »

Ahh the joys of Omega ownership, you can pick up an entire spare mirror for pennies. I bought a replacement glass for a tenner, after a taxi driver decided mine would look better in 5 bits rather that one.

When it happened the mirror was hanging by the heater wires, it popped back in nicely, even with glass cracked. Should be able to pop new one and off easily.

Then there is the fact I was a bit annoyed it happened, then after about 5 seconds just strugged my shoulders and kept on driving. If I had an XF-R of your vintage I'd be super annoyed if might was taken out or just broke like yours!
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #45 on: 05 July 2018, 16:44:02 »

Ahh the joys of Omega ownership, you can pick up an entire spare mirror for pennies. I bought a replacement glass for a tenner, after a taxi driver decided mine would look better in 5 bits rather that one.

When it happened the mirror was hanging by the heater wires, it popped back in nicely, even with glass cracked. Should be able to pop new one and off easily.

Then there is the fact I was a bit annoyed it happened, then after about 5 seconds just strugged my shoulders and kept on driving. If I had an XF-R of your vintage I'd be super annoyed if might was taken out or just broke like yours!

XF-R. I think this is a 2 litre derv XF. My car is an XFR. It all gets very confusing. :-\

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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #46 on: 05 July 2018, 17:13:41 »

Not to mention disappointing if you bought the car unseen ::)
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Re: Problem with drivers door mirror (Tata)
« Reply #47 on: 07 July 2018, 09:29:06 »

Ahh the joys of Omega ownership, you can pick up an entire spare mirror for pennies. I bought a replacement glass for a tenner, after a taxi driver decided mine would look better in 5 bits rather that one.
I bought 2 heated Zafira ones for £12.  Only because the first one I bought was for a Zaf-B ;D, so I had to spend another £6 for the proper one :D

Spares are available at decent prices - I bought a touchscreen for mine a few months ago for under £110 after a flash update destroyed my one.  You'd be hard pressed to get a CID for £110 ;)
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