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Re: Fuel Duty
« Reply #30 on: 06 July 2018, 14:23:22 »

Trouble is that most people now have never known a time without a free health service[NHS is 70 today]no matter how broken it is.So ever more money is needed to keep it going,then people want more police and stronger armed forces and so on.These of course all need funding which has to come from taxation,but raise income tax and everyone starts complaining,raise fuel duty and people complain that prices/cost of living has risen-same with raising any other form of taxation-so which do you want?you pays your money and takes your choice.

Free only at the point of consumption, Baza: I have paid heavily all my working life and I am now seeing a little of my money back.
Where it goes wrong is having to treat the "health tourists", who have never made any contributions and fly in, get treated and fly out again.
I have been in enough NHS waiting rooms to vouch for the truth of that.... >:(

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Where it goes wrong is when the consultants have to much power, do as a little as possible and nobody talks to each other....oh and when they wont pay for a life saving operation because its been over used to reduce stroke risk.....
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Re: Fuel Duty
« Reply #31 on: 06 July 2018, 17:00:49 »

My local hospital is the infamous Colchester General. It should be bulldozed with at least half the staff locked inside.
If Im ever in need of emergency care and am conscious, I will insist on being taken to Chelmsford.
Im so grateful for my private healthcare provided by my employer.

They patched me up OK then I fell off my bicycle in the early '90's. :y

It's possible I'd had one too many at the time. :-[

I also agree on health tourists, but in a country that voted not to have ID cards, I don't see how the NHS can turn people away as it has no means to prove entitlement or otherwise. ::)


My local tip has a system that you have to prove that you live in the local area or you carnt tip.
I usually show them my driving license, but they will take proof if you show utility bill, council tax bill.

NHS could do the same to check you live in the UK  :-\
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Re: Fuel Duty
« Reply #32 on: 06 July 2018, 17:17:50 »

My local hospital is the infamous Colchester General. It should be bulldozed with at least half the staff locked inside.
If Im ever in need of emergency care and am conscious, I will insist on being taken to Chelmsford.
Im so grateful for my private healthcare provided by my employer.

They patched me up OK then I fell off my bicycle in the early '90's. :y

It's possible I'd had one too many at the time. :-[

I also agree on health tourists, but in a country that voted not to have ID cards, I don't see how the NHS can turn people away as it has no means to prove entitlement or otherwise. ::)


My local tip has a system that you have to prove that you live in the local area or you carnt tip.
I usually show them my driving license, but they will take proof if you show utility bill, council tax bill.

NHS could do the same to check you live in the UK  :-\
You still can't, humanely, turn away emergencies.
But, by health tourist, I think most people mean the Eastern Europeans. I thought they were entitled anyway, being part of the club.
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Re: Fuel Duty
« Reply #33 on: 06 July 2018, 22:20:50 »

You still can't, humanely, turn away emergencies.

A friend of mine has family in Uganda, and a youngish cousin of his suffered from kidney failure.  :(  They put her on a plane to London, and she presented at one of the big London hospitals. To cut a long story short, she was treated no differently from a native, received treatment and ended up getting a kidney transplant.  :)

Whether the treatment was paid for or not I don't know. It might have been as the family are very wealthy and I'm sure they wouldn't have been looking down the back of the sofa for a few shillings.

Nevertheless, we should be very proud that we don't send people away to die.  :y
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Re: Fuel Duty
« Reply #34 on: 07 July 2018, 10:06:45 »

30 year old non smoking male with no pre-existing conditions - $400 a month
By the time that's converted to GBP, I'd wager that most workers NI is about that level. That's before we consider how else we're taxed to fund the ineffective, wasteful, broken, non functioning NHS.



"We" have to decide whether or not to tax everyone to poverty, and send pensioners below the breadline to keep funnelling money in -  and no amount of money will ever be enough - or close it (and maybe rebuild from scratch, that's a different argument).

The first option isn't an option, as the tax rates are at about the limits where raising further will reduce the amount coming in (as has been shown with the council business rates), we still haven't balanced the books, and are absolutely headlong into another recession which will mean even higher borrowing for a debt ridden country.
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« Reply #35 on: 07 July 2018, 11:42:07 »

Probably the number one reason that wont happen is the same number one reason why it can never work. It employs 1,5 million people.  :o
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Re: Fuel Duty
« Reply #36 on: 07 July 2018, 14:31:04 »

30 year old non smoking male with no pre-existing conditions - $400 a month
By the time that's converted to GBP, I'd wager that most workers NI is about that level. That's before we consider how else we're taxed to fund the ineffective, wasteful, broken, non functioning NHS.



On a salary of lets say 25,000 (which is probably about average) you'd pay 166 a month NI, which converts to $219 a month.  I'd bet that the guy in my example was struggling to make $25,000.  ;)
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Re: Fuel Duty
« Reply #37 on: 07 July 2018, 15:24:07 »

30 year old non smoking male with no pre-existing conditions - $400 a month
By the time that's converted to GBP, I'd wager that most workers NI is about that level. That's before we consider how else we're taxed to fund the ineffective, wasteful, broken, non functioning NHS.



On a salary of lets say 25,000 (which is probably about average) you'd pay 166 a month NI, which converts to $219 a month.  I'd bet that the guy in my example was struggling to make $25,000.  ;)
Absolutely no excuse not to earn more in the US... The whole place is built upon the individual freedom to achieve. Or not. People there are expected to support themselves, but not to the total detriment of those that can't. Here we pay directly or otherwise to support all the lazy arsed shite at the expense of those with genuine need.

It's a completely different mindset to the quasi socialist cluster opps we have to live by, but people don't understand or appreciate that.

As an example, Tennessee has no State Income Tax, yet has one of the better free schooling systems in the country.

I for one, would rather have a pay to use health system than pay the state to feed, house, clothe and fix all those who expect everything on a plate.

Everything would be cheaper here if it wasn't handed out willy nilly.

Sorry, bit of a rant, but scroungy wastrels really grip my shit...
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Re: Fuel Duty
« Reply #38 on: 07 July 2018, 15:33:26 »

30 year old non smoking male with no pre-existing conditions - $400 a month
By the time that's converted to GBP, I'd wager that most workers NI is about that level. That's before we consider how else we're taxed to fund the ineffective, wasteful, broken, non functioning NHS.



On a salary of lets say 25,000 (which is probably about average) you'd pay 166 a month NI, which converts to $219 a month.  I'd bet that the guy in my example was struggling to make $25,000.  ;)
Absolutely no excuse not to earn more in the US... The whole place is built upon the individual freedom to achieve. Or not. People there are expected to support themselves, but not to the total detriment of those that can't. Here we pay directly or otherwise to support all the lazy arsed shite at the expense of those with genuine need.

It's a completely different mindset to the quasi socialist cluster opps we have to live by, but people don't understand or appreciate that.

As an example, Tennessee has no State Income Tax, yet has one of the better free schooling systems in the country.

I for one, would rather have a pay to use health system than pay the state to feed, house, clothe and fix all those who expect everything on a plate.

Everything would be cheaper here if it wasn't handed out willy nilly.

Sorry, bit of a rant, but scroungy wastrels really grip my shit...


....and I had you down as a sandal-wearing leftie along with that Albitz fella. ::) ::) ;)
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Re: Fuel Duty
« Reply #39 on: 07 July 2018, 15:52:59 »

Yes DG, I am happy to support those in genuine need - like my blind neighbour and has severely disabled wife - as I have been doing all my working life; but those who are capable, but choose to freeload, need to be cast adrift without a paddle!  >:(

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« Reply #40 on: 07 July 2018, 18:03:46 »

but those who are capable, but choose to freeload, need to be cast adrift without a paddle!  >:(
You mean shot, obviously
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« Reply #41 on: 07 July 2018, 18:43:30 »

Yep!  :y

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Re: Fuel Duty
« Reply #42 on: 07 July 2018, 22:20:09 »

You still can't, humanely, turn away emergencies.

A friend of mine has family in Uganda, and a youngish cousin of his suffered from kidney failure.  :(  They put her on a plane to London, and she presented at one of the big London hospitals. To cut a long story short, she was treated no differently from a native, received treatment and ended up getting a kidney transplant.  :)

Whether the treatment was paid for or not I don't know. It might have been as the family are very wealthy and I'm sure they wouldn't have been looking down the back of the sofa for a few shillings.

Nevertheless, we should be very proud that we don't send people away to die.  :y

Spot on with your last statement.

We have over the years had relatives on extended stays with us in Spain. Some with EHIC and others not. Inevitably we have ended up in A and E , usually broken bones from falls. Neverbeen asked for proof of entitlement to Health. That should be done elsewhere.

Has anyone actually got any real figures of how much health tourism costs? I suspect it is miniscule in the grand scale of things although sizeable in isolation.
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Re: Fuel Duty
« Reply #43 on: 08 July 2018, 02:25:30 »

A handful of people at my hotel in GC required a doctor to attend... All had to pay before doc would enter the room...

Perhaps treated differently if accompanied by a legal resident :-\

Incidentally, certain flights arriving here have a percentage of pregnant women arriving for family visits whilst in their last weeks of pregnancy... They are duly detained and returned asap at their expense...
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« Reply #44 on: 08 July 2018, 18:41:09 »

We have over the years had relatives on extended stays with us in Spain. Some with EHIC and others not. Inevitably we have ended up in A and E , usually broken bones from falls.

*makes mental note never to stay at Chez Varche* ;) ;D
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