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front lower wishbones
« on: 21 September 2018, 12:24:03 »

are front lower wishbones the same on all migs ??
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« Reply #1 on: 21 September 2018, 12:38:25 »

Yes
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #2 on: 21 September 2018, 12:53:11 »

Left and right are different...
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #3 on: 21 September 2018, 14:41:35 »

Not all makes have pre drilled holes for the bracket for the headlight levelling sensor on the n/s wishbone.
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #4 on: 21 September 2018, 15:34:14 »

Not all makes have pre drilled holes for the bracket for the headlight levelling sensor on the n/s wishbone.
They generally have the hole but inevitably untapped.
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #5 on: 22 September 2018, 11:49:08 »

Left and right are different...

Indeed, as for mine the genuine ones from Vauxhall, pre-bushed, have the numbers:  090576788
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they are called by Vx "Control Arm's" and are expensive, as TC is now not applied to them although my dealer gave me a 10% discount!! :o :o :D ;)
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #6 on: 22 September 2018, 14:18:33 »

Over £500 for the pair last time I enquired  :o
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #7 on: 22 September 2018, 16:58:12 »

Over £500 for the pair last time I enquired  :o

£656 now, even with the 10% discount! ::) :D ;)


..............and only available from Germany according to my Vx dealer parts manager.
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #8 on: 22 September 2018, 17:05:26 »

A used pair of genuine wishbones refurbed with polybushes etc. would cost around £150 and do a better job, but we all make our own choices.  :)
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #9 on: 22 September 2018, 17:12:40 »

Absolutely ridiculous spending that money on GM bones (made by Lemforder), far better with a new pair of Lemforders or refurbished original GM's and a pair of powerflex front bushes. The rest of the money is a good way on the journey to Shocks, springs, droplinks, top mounts, bearings.... Which will all need doing on any Omega that hasn't had a front end rebuild now.

No surprise about parts being in Germany as all parts stock for cars over eight years from production that aren't used in anything newer are stored in Opel's German storage centre as no VX storage facility in Blighty...
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #10 on: 22 September 2018, 17:22:39 »

That's a crazy price for 2 wishbones even at GM prices,and you've had a 10% discount.

I was luck and got a set of Lemforders off ebay for £85 which included the droplinks..guy was selling off as had sold his Omega.Paid another £60 for polybushes and then bought TRE from Jason again Lemforders for sub £100.

Think your having you leg lifted there Lizzie :o
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #11 on: 22 September 2018, 17:24:57 »

LEMFORDER  wishbone 62 quid at ecp clicky
you can probably get cheaper too  :-X
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #12 on: 22 September 2018, 17:40:07 »

Thanks for all the comments above but it is MY decision for all the reasons as I stated in my thread:

https://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=143552.0

I don't smoke, drink or gamble so I use my money on the car I love, like I do on handbags and shoes!!. ::) ::)
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #13 on: 22 September 2018, 18:17:49 »

Fully accept that ,just advise as to how you could get the same parts for considerably less.

I like a good red wine ,but would never consider buying a bottle of " Domaine Leroy Richebourg Grand Cru 1949 "even if I could afford it .


A decent £20 bottle does the same and the pain of the purchase is less ;D
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #14 on: 22 September 2018, 18:23:23 »

Fully accept that ,just advise as to how you could get the same parts for considerably less.

I like a good red wine ,but would never consider buying a bottle of " Domaine Leroy Richebourg Grand Cru 1949 "even if I could afford it .


A decent £20 bottle does the same and the pain of the purchase is less ;D

Yes,I know and I AM very grateful for all the comments :-* :-* :-* :y

Indeed, as a result of all the feedback I will be asking my Vx dealer parts manager  how come they ARE so expensive!! ??? ???

I am no fool, so I am going to do some digging on this; the dealer has still to satisfy on the labour price, so the deal is not completely done yet :D :D ;)

I know I could get two Lemforder control arms, fully bushed for £340. :-X :-X
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #15 on: 22 September 2018, 18:28:00 »

Best advise then is to spend £340 on the bones..£100 on the belt kit and another £50 on a water pump .Factor in the labour and see how many more handbags and pairs of shoes you could buy...…..and have your Omega still in perfect working order
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #16 on: 22 September 2018, 18:38:00 »

Vauxhall don't make handbags ,so finding a genuine OEM vauxhall one may be hard  :-\
they don't even have them made by someone else,then stick vauxhall stickers on and charge ten times the original price  :P
they do make shoes though ,they go inside the rear drums and are part of the handbrake mechanism ,but if fitted correctly and adjusted correctly and used correctly ,they should last 100k +  :y

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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #17 on: 22 September 2018, 18:43:08 »

Best advise then is to spend £340 on the bones..£100 on the belt kit and another £50 on a water pump .Factor in the labour and see how many more handbags and pairs of shoes you could buy...…..and have your Omega still in perfect working order

Now that appeals to me amba  :-* :D :y

Does anyone on here deal with Mister Auto online parts?

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« Reply #18 on: 22 September 2018, 18:43:40 »

Vauxhall don't make handbags ,so finding a genuine OEM vauxhall one may be hard  :-\
they don't even have them made by someone else,then stick vauxhall stickers on and charge ten times the original price  :P
they do make shoes though ,they go inside the rear drums and are part of the handbrake mechanism ,but if fitted correctly and adjusted correctly and used correctly ,they should last 100k +  :y

 ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #19 on: 22 September 2018, 20:48:11 »

Would now be a good time to mention theses...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUSPENSION-CONTROL-ARMS-WISHBONE-KIT-LOWER-FRONT-OPEL-VAUXHALL-OMEGA-B-/381141643466

Poly Bush before fitting and call it done  :y
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« Reply #20 on: 22 September 2018, 21:19:32 »

Then spend the balance on uprated front dampers, stiffer springs, Monaro top mounts and bearings - better handling than a new Omega.  8)
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« Reply #21 on: 22 September 2018, 22:19:59 »

And still cash over to buy a genuine GM Bag or 2 + a set of "Shoes"...as Dave so wisely advised :y
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #22 on: 23 September 2018, 11:14:41 »

Would now be a good time to mention theses...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUSPENSION-CONTROL-ARMS-WISHBONE-KIT-LOWER-FRONT-OPEL-VAUXHALL-OMEGA-B-/381141643466

Poly Bush before fitting and call it done  :y
Its never a good time. The quality is poor, and that's on the offchance they ever bother to dispatch.

Plus I can prove now they tell porkies ;)
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« Reply #23 on: 23 September 2018, 12:26:16 »

Yep, they told me lots of them.  >:(
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« Reply #25 on: 23 September 2018, 12:58:27 »

Would now be a good time to mention theses...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUSPENSION-CONTROL-ARMS-WISHBONE-KIT-LOWER-FRONT-OPEL-VAUXHALL-OMEGA-B-/381141643466

Poly Bush before fitting and call it done  :y
Its never a good time. The quality is poor, and that's on the offchance they ever bother to dispatch.

Plus I can prove now they tell porkies ;)

Those particular ones are apparently not suitable for my 2003 3.2 anyway according to their "suitable vehicles" lists.

However DG and others have set me on a course now to source quality but less expensive "control arms" :y
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #26 on: 23 September 2018, 13:27:11 »



Those particular ones are apparently not suitable for my 2003 3.2 anyway according to their "suitable vehicles" lists.

However DG and others have set me on a course now to source quality but less expensive "control arms" :y


The Lemforder wishbones from ECP are as good as any Lizzie and much cheaper again.  :y

If they're good enough for TB and Chrisgixer.....  :)
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #27 on: 23 September 2018, 13:52:46 »



Those particular ones are apparently not suitable for my 2003 3.2 anyway according to their "suitable vehicles" lists.

However DG and others have set me on a course now to source quality but less expensive "control arms" :y


The Lemforder wishbones from ECP are as good as any Lizzie and much cheaper again.  :y

If they're good enough for TB and Chrisgixer.....  :)
The last Lemforder ones from ECP I saw were fake.  Very, very obviously fake Chinese tat.

I would source them from a reputable supplier, if that was the route I was taking.  Obviously, I would much rather refurb my existing GM ones if they were still serviceable.  Hence, TBE is on original GMs. Granted, its on its 3rd or 4th set of rear bushes, and is poly'd at the front.
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« Reply #28 on: 23 September 2018, 15:01:37 »

Would now be a good time to mention theses...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUSPENSION-CONTROL-ARMS-WISHBONE-KIT-LOWER-FRONT-OPEL-VAUXHALL-OMEGA-B-/381141643466

Poly Bush before fitting and call it done  :y
Its never a good time. The quality is poor, and that's on the offchance they ever bother to dispatch.

Plus I can prove now they tell porkies ;)

Those particular ones are apparently not suitable for my 2003 3.2 anyway according to their "suitable vehicles" lists.

However DG and others have set me on a course now to source quality but less expensive "control arms" :y
They lie...

Omega wishbones are universal across the range ::)
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« Reply #29 on: 23 September 2018, 15:25:34 »



Those particular ones are apparently not suitable for my 2003 3.2 anyway according to their "suitable vehicles" lists.

However DG and others have set me on a course now to source quality but less expensive "control arms" :y


The Lemforder wishbones from ECP are as good as any Lizzie and much cheaper again.  :y

If they're good enough for TB and Chrisgixer.....  :)
The last Lemforder ones from ECP I saw were fake.  Very, very obviously fake Chinese tat.

I would source them from a reputable supplier, if that was the route I was taking.  Obviously, I would much rather refurb my existing GM ones if they were still serviceable.  Hence, TBE is on original GMs. Granted, its on its 3rd or 4th set of rear bushes, and is poly'd at the front.


I am totally confused now ???

Is the supplier Mister Auto online parts or the supplier that DG is recommending not to be trusted, or is it another?

Are the Lemforder arms the ones fitted by GM / Vx, or is it another brand?

From what TB says is it still best for me to pay the money (although questioning the parts manager about the price) at the Vx dealer to get the guarantee of quality and a genuine part?


 :o :o ??? :)
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« Reply #30 on: 23 September 2018, 16:26:03 »

Not used Mister Auto, but have seen ATP wishbones (poor) and tried to use ATP (never posted the boot struts).

If your current wishbones are GM and have good balljoints, stop dicking around, poly the fronts (£50) and press new GM bushes (about £20 each) in the rear, then take if for a full geometry check (not 4 wheel alignment or "laser alignment" of any other substandard tosh) to WIM settings, then worry about the rearward bushes again in 3 to 4yrs (probably much longer, as you clearly don't use the cars capabilities).



If you *MUST* have shiny wishbones, GM are too expensive (and you should be able to negotiate significantly better than 10%), so your choice probably becomes Lemforder from a reputable supplier (too many fakes about).
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« Reply #31 on: 23 September 2018, 16:36:29 »

Not used Mister Auto, but have seen ATP wishbones (poor) and tried to use ATP (never posted the boot struts).

If your current wishbones are GM and have good balljoints, stop dicking around, poly the fronts (£50) and press new GM bushes (about £20 each) in the rear, then take if for a full geometry check (not 4 wheel alignment or "laser alignment" of any other substandard tosh) to WIM settings, then worry about the rearward bushes again in 3 to 4yrs (probably much longer, as you clearly don't use the cars capabilities).



If you *MUST* have shiny wishbones, GM are too expensive (and you should be able to negotiate significantly better than 10%), so your choice probably becomes Lemforder from a reputable supplier (too many fakes about).

Thanks TB, very helpful :-* :-* :y
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« Reply #32 on: 23 September 2018, 16:37:03 »

Who are Lemforder and why are they so superior, TB?

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« Reply #33 on: 23 September 2018, 17:17:48 »

Apart from the main WIM, just over 2 hours from me, is there any closer to me in Malta Kent?  ??? :D ;)
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« Reply #34 on: 23 September 2018, 17:25:46 »

Tyre Pro in Strood/Rochester Bridge have the correct equipment and setup and have also got WIM,s setting as ..NickW.Weds and myself have all used them with good results.

The guys there also know how to use the machine properly and as they have dealt with several fussy Omega Owners over the years don't try fobbing you off with..." its in the Green so that's ok Guv". :)
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« Reply #35 on: 23 September 2018, 17:27:29 »

How near to Witham (Essex) are you, Kate? Albs and I have had excellent service from Tyre-Smart with their Hunter full geometric alignment machine, using the WIM settings that I gave them, similar to what amba just said. :y

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« Reply #36 on: 23 September 2018, 17:29:58 »

Tyre Pro in Strood/Rochester Bridge have the correct equipment and setup and have also got WIM,s setting as ..NickW.Weds and myself have all used them with good results.

The guys there also know how to use the machine properly and as they have dealt with several fussy Omega Owners over the years don't try fobbing you off with..." its in the Green so that's ok Guv". :)

Thanks amba :y

Is that the "Protyre" chain, which I actually have 3 branches of here in Ashford? ;)
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« Reply #37 on: 23 September 2018, 17:39:23 »

That's correct Lizzie although quality of operatives and knowledge of how to use it differ hugely from 1 branch to another.

I have used the place on the Orbital Park near you by MacDogbits and found them pretty shoddy tbh. :(

Their policy was Green was good enough and when I asked them to set it at specific settings guy said he could due to wear in bushes and old joints...that was total b***lxs as all parts had just been replaced.They may of changed now though as that was 6/7 years ago now and you seem a forcefull lady so imagine they will do as you tell them to  ;D
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« Reply #38 on: 23 September 2018, 17:42:30 »

That's correct Lizzie although quality of operatives and knowledge of how to use it differ hugely from 1 branch to another.

I have used the place on the Orbital Park near you by MacDogbits and found them pretty shoddy tbh. :(

Their policy was Green was good enough and when I asked them to set it at specific settings guy said he could due to wear in bushes and old joints...that was total b***lxs as all parts had just been replaced.They may of changed now though as that was 6/7 years ago now and you seem a forcefull lady so imagine they will do as you tell them to  ;D


That is great amba. Many thanks! :-* :-* :y

A plan is now coming together.  I'm going to Vx tommorrow and forcing my hand on the parts. We will see if they budge, but they know I am a very good long term customer :D ;)

Strood is no distance at all for me.
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« Reply #39 on: 23 September 2018, 18:07:05 »

Tyre Pro in Strood/Rochester Bridge have the correct equipment and setup and have also got WIM,s setting as ..NickW.Weds and myself have all used them with good results.

The guys there also know how to use the machine properly and as they have dealt with several fussy Omega Owners over the years don't try fobbing you off with..." its in the Green so that's ok Guv". :)


They're not afraid of making the adjustments either; the last time I had my car done,he just got on with freeing off and adjusting the rear adjusters after we both decided that the front cambers were slightly off WIM's recommended setting but as they'd been like that for 4 years we weren't going to disturb them.
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #40 on: 23 September 2018, 18:15:06 »

45 minutes drive to Strood for you Lizzie and they even offer free coffee.

Shops within walking distance so a woman’s heaven  :D
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #41 on: 23 September 2018, 18:41:23 »

45 minutes drive to Strood for you Lizzie and they even offer free coffee.

Shops within walking distance so a woman’s heaven  :D

Yep, all good! 8) ;D :y
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #42 on: 23 September 2018, 18:42:27 »

Tyre Pro in Strood/Rochester Bridge have the correct equipment and setup and have also got WIM,s setting as ..NickW.Weds and myself have all used them with good results.

The guys there also know how to use the machine properly and as they have dealt with several fussy Omega Owners over the years don't try fobbing you off with..." its in the Green so that's ok Guv". :)




They're not afraid of making the adjustments either; the last time I had my car done,he just got on with freeing off and adjusting the rear adjusters after we both decided that the front cambers were slightly off WIM's recommended setting but as they'd been like that for 4 years we weren't going to disturb them.

Good info. Thanks Nick 8)  :-* :y
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Re: front lower wishbones
« Reply #43 on: 23 September 2018, 19:08:06 »

Who are Lemforder and why are they so superior, TB?

Ron.
Lemforder are now part of the ZF group, based in Germany.  They manufacture quality parts for both aftermarket and OE.  Sadly, because of their name and reputation, there are a lot of fakes around.
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