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Waste disposal when we were young
« on: 05 October 2018, 14:05:23 »

I watched a UK programme on waste disposal a few days ago. Quite an eye opener.

I was impressed by the modern approach for the last twenty years where in effect the waste is sealed in and landscaped. Thinking back to my youth when there wasn't rural waste collection, every hamlet had a site where stuff could be lobbed. These were often the heads of valleys - the part where you could get around and once filled in and overgrown would look as though it was clean land. later (about fifty years ago) a local quarry ceased production and was used as landflll. It was quite big and even then I wondered about the "mig" that used to flow out of it into the local beck after rain. In those days little thought was given to waste disposal.
There was another site (just north of Wykeham village) which was a designated rubbish site. I got rid of an A35 minus engine, gearbox there. It is still there somewhere under the woodland that is there now.

When I was very young my mum and dad had a small farm.  I may have recounted the story of my dad legally buying arsenic to , ostensibly poison worms, but in reality to poison foxes that were killing their fowl regularly. He bought that from Boots in Scarborough and said there was enough left over to kill everyone in Scarborough! He has no idea what he did with it-  "probably thrown out".


So I have a suspicion that the Uk is riddled with time bombs of unknown waste buried for future generations to find.  The programme on TV showed an old dump on the banks of the Thames (I think) exposed to the vagaries of the elements like high tides.


Anyone else got any waste stories or similar suspicions? 
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Re: Waste disposal when we were young
« Reply #2 on: 05 October 2018, 16:26:15 »

When we were young dust carts were a fraction of the size of them today.  Why? ; because product was sold loose in paper bags or paper wrappings, and the glass jars were filled with yummy product, but once finished with could be sold for recycling at 1d each!

Not a plastic wrapping in sight, and even cans of beans etc were limited and did not have the product range of today.  Even the glass pop bottles were recycled for the deposit back, or once more sold by us kids at 1d each for recycling. Paper, like newspapers, were often used in the toilet or burnt as fire lighters for our open coal fires, which also disposed of other easily destroyed product.

We now live in a chuck away, plastic and packaging dominated, society that now MUST change.  Did anyone see that BBC programme Drowning in Plastic?  My generation should feel very ashamed as WE have let this happen!  Hopefully the next ruling generations will be a lot better at recycling and ridding ourselves of plastic for everything than we have been!

As for the history of rubbish dumps, the Victorian ones are now fascinating for producing classic fish paste (ceramic) jars and cod top bottles, let alone other interesting items.  No plastic and these dumps are tiny compared to the amount of 'dumps' or disposal facilities we need now. ;)

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Re: Waste disposal when we were young
« Reply #3 on: 05 October 2018, 16:34:05 »

Dustcarts have always been their current size in my lifetime. Only change is the fads...

We went from traditional ones to shiny fancy sideloader ones and back to traditional ones... And fortnightly collections ::)

If Comrade Lady bitsybubbles gets in at the next opportunity, we will be back to three collections a year, just like the '70s :-X

Ever wondered as you get older why the more things change, the more that they remain the same :-\
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Re: Waste disposal when we were young
« Reply #4 on: 05 October 2018, 16:34:33 »

There is a greater density of gold and silver in council tips than there is in most gold mines. It comes from all the electrical gear that has been thrown away in the past 20 years - computers, 'phones, TV's etc. If the price of gold/sliver rises then it becomes economic to 'mine' in tips!
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Re: Waste disposal when we were young
« Reply #5 on: 05 October 2018, 16:39:21 »

Dustcarts have always been their current size in my lifetime. Only change is the fads...

We went from traditional ones to shiny fancy sideloader ones and back to traditional ones... And fortnightly collections ::)

If Comrade Lady bitsybubbles gets in at the next opportunity, we will be back to three collections a year, just like the '70s :-X

Ever wondered as you get older why the more things change, the more that they remain the same :-\

You are obviously very young DG!! :D :D ;)

Yes, in the 1950's they were a small lorry with 3 openings, with shutters, on each side of a metal round topped unit that sat where the bed of a flat bed truck would be. Tonnage I reckon was about 1.5 tonnes.  That is what they were in Tunbridge Wells at least! :D :D

The name "dustcart" also gives a clue as to what they mainly collected; the waste from the coal fires, and not much of anything else ;)
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Re: Waste disposal when we were young
« Reply #6 on: 05 October 2018, 16:50:06 »

There is a greater density of gold and silver in council tips than there is in most gold mines. It comes from all the electrical gear that has been thrown away in the past 20 years - computers, 'phones, TV's etc. If the price of gold/sliver rises then it becomes economic to 'mine' in tips!

Go for a walk on a certain stretch of beach at low tide here and there is all sorts where the old town dump has ended up on the cliff top due to erosion and it's all ending up on the beach!  ::)

It's mostly metals though, old engine blocks, axles etc  as it's probably 30-40 years since the dump closed and I can remember a permanent fire burning there where they burnt all the burnables.  :)
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Re: Waste disposal when we were young
« Reply #7 on: 05 October 2018, 17:10:45 »

Dustcarts have always been their current size in my lifetime. Only change is the fads...

We went from traditional ones to shiny fancy sideloader ones and back to traditional ones... And fortnightly collections ::)

If Comrade Lady bitsybubbles gets in at the next opportunity, we will be back to three collections a year, just like the '70s :-X

Ever wondered as you get older why the more things change, the more that they remain the same :-\

You are obviously very young DG!! :D :D ;)

Yes, in the 1950's they were a small lorry with 3 openings, with shutters, on each side of a metal round topped unit that sat where the bed of a flat bed truck would be. Tonnage I reckon was about 1.5 tonnes.  That is what they were in Tunbridge Wells at least! :D :D

The name "dustcart" also gives a clue as to what they mainly collected; the waste from the coal fires, and not much of anything else ;)

I remember seeing operational small curve top dustcarts in Hucknall in the mid seventies
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Re: Waste disposal when we were young
« Reply #8 on: 05 October 2018, 20:15:36 »

Used to go down to our local dump, (which was an old chalk pit) with our airguns and shoot the rats. Great fun and a service to the village too. ;)
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Re: Waste disposal when we were young
« Reply #9 on: 05 October 2018, 22:19:56 »

When I was young the bin man was invariably a wiry Glaswegian stinking of booze with a woodbine between his lips. He would throw the bin over his shoulder before dumping the contents into a dustcart like the one described by Lizzie.
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Re: Waste disposal when we were young
« Reply #10 on: 05 October 2018, 22:26:47 »

The term dustman was used back  then.
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Re: Waste disposal when we were young
« Reply #11 on: 06 October 2018, 00:39:36 »

And they used to ride on the back of the dustcart.  :)
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Re: Waste disposal when we were young
« Reply #12 on: 06 October 2018, 09:32:05 »

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« Reply #13 on: 06 October 2018, 10:18:37 »

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.....and of course they all lived in a council flat. :)
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Re: Waste disposal when we were young
« Reply #14 on: 06 October 2018, 14:13:04 »

When I was young the bin man was invariably a wiry Glaswegian stinking of booze with a woodbine between his lips. He would throw the bin over his shoulder before dumping the contents into a dustcart like the one described by Lizzie.
And came round the back to collect said metal dustbin, and return it afterwards, in all weathers. Unlike the lazy sods they have now, who can't even be arsed to but the bins on the pavement.  They seem to be little more than little hitler rubbish police.
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Re: Waste disposal when we were young
« Reply #15 on: 06 October 2018, 14:42:17 »

Yep,empty milk bottles rinsed and left on the doorstep to be collected next day,empty pop bottles and jam jars returned to shop for a refund bin men who actually collected and returned your bin instead of expecting you to do half their job for them.Paper/cardboard used as fire lighters.But I suppose many[like myself]had parents who had not long before come through a world war where "waste not want not"was a necessity of life.Nothing to do with recycling but do you remember the roads being gritted by standing in the back of the truck and shovelling the road salt out?can't see there being many takers for that job these days!
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Re: Waste disposal when we were young
« Reply #16 on: 06 October 2018, 16:07:27 »

Technically, there's supposed to be an access route across the terrace for this reason, although they would now struggle to get past next doors shed ;D
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Re: Waste disposal when we were young
« Reply #17 on: 06 October 2018, 19:25:42 »

When I was young the bin man was invariably a wiry Glaswegian stinking of booze with a woodbine between his lips. He would throw the bin over his shoulder before dumping the contents into a dustcart like the one described by Lizzie.

Yep, that is the scene I witnessed once a week. Cannot imagine a dustman slinging a wheeler bin over his shoulder these days.  H&S have banned it! ::) ;D ;D ;)
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Re: Waste disposal when we were young
« Reply #18 on: 06 October 2018, 19:28:17 »

When I was young the bin man was invariably a wiry Glaswegian stinking of booze with a woodbine between his lips. He would throw the bin over his shoulder before dumping the contents into a dustcart like the one described by Lizzie.

Yep, that is the scene I witnessed once a week. Cannot imagine a dustman slinging a wheeler bin over his shoulder these days.  H&S have banned it! ::) ;D ;D ;)
Try telling that to ours who insist on hand balling all the bags out of every other wheelie bin so that they have less bins to walk 3 feet to the bin wagon ::)
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« Reply #19 on: 09 October 2018, 11:00:11 »

I recall bin liners provided by the council, you put that in your council supplied bin and filled it.

Then two guys used to collect the bin bags from the bins and place at the end of the drive, shortly after the dust cart (which was smaller than those today) used to come around and chuck them in the back, occasionally pressing the button which activated the big metal scraper that pulled the pile of bags inside.

That said, thanks to the wheelie bin, I did manage to dispose of an A series engine block, carefully placed towards the wheels of the bin so it was not obvious when you wheeled it about. The lift on the back of the lorry struggled more than usual that day and there was a hell of a dong as it crashed into the back of the lorry.
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Re: Waste disposal when we were young
« Reply #20 on: 09 October 2018, 11:26:39 »

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That said, thanks to the wheelie bin, I did manage to dispose of an A series engine block, carefully placed towards the wheels of the bin so it was not obvious when you wheeled it about. The lift on the back of the lorry struggled more than usual that day and there was a hell of a dong as it crashed into the back of the lorry.

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« Reply #21 on: 09 October 2018, 14:20:49 »

Most of the internals off a straight six diesel went in my wheelie bin, though not the block or head, as they wouldn't fit with a fortnights worth of rubbish, and the block in particular weighed more than RMS Titanic.
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« Reply #22 on: 09 October 2018, 15:55:49 »

Dust Carts, you late for work, hit that little short cut Oneway back street to overcome the traffic, and there they are in the middle of the road with there flashing Hazards on         ......and theres nothing you can do about it, I hate hate them with passion.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #23 on: 09 October 2018, 17:22:33 »

Most of the internals off a straight six diesel went in my wheelie bin, though not the block or head, as they wouldn't fit with a fortnights worth of rubbish, and the block in particular weighed more than RMS Titanic.


I've a mate who disposed of a whole crossflow in the wheelie bin, apparently there was a bit of a bang as it emptied into the dustcart ;D
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« Reply #24 on: 09 October 2018, 19:13:57 »

Dust Carts, you late for work, hit that little short cut Oneway back street to overcome the traffic, and there they are in the middle of the road with there flashing Hazards on         ......and theres nothing you can do about it, I hate hate them with passion.  >:( >:(

When Im on my way home from work on Monday mornings at the end of a run of nights, the bin lorry is always blocking the road no more than 100 yards from my house. Driven flat out to get home in under half an hour, and then the final 100 yards takes 10 minutes.
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« Reply #25 on: 09 October 2018, 21:36:10 »

Mate of mine is a bin man and went to pull a wheely bin one morning, it felt a bit heavy so he had the customary peep inside, to be met with the sight of a massive and very dead german shepherd  :o
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« Reply #26 on: 09 October 2018, 23:35:47 »

Mate of mine is a bin man and went to pull a wheely bin one morning, it felt a bit heavy so he had the customary peep inside, to be met with the sight of a massive and very dead german shepherd  :o

And he knew he was a german shepard where he was wearing traditional Bavarian dress and had a crook in his hand. ::) :o :P ;D
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« Reply #27 on: 10 October 2018, 00:01:46 »

When I was a child it was a galvanised dustbin that the dustman walked up to drive to collect from by the back door and as he emptied the contents into the back of the dust cart during the winter it was accompanied by the cloud of coal fire ash.

Packaging was very different. When I used to go to the local provisions shop with my nan all the groceries were outside, the weighed potatoes would be emptied straight from the brass pan into the shopping bag and the same for other bulk items with smaller items going into paper bags. When the weight was not exact the grocer would mentally calculate the price and write it in pencil on a slip in s,d and then at the end of the order total them up in seconds. You would then go into the shop hand over the slip order the other items like ham from the joint which was cut on an electric slicer then wrapped in greaseproof paper and likewise cheese from the block using a cheese wire and also wrapped in greaseproof paper. You were then presented with the grand total wich was rung into the mechanical till and paid for.

Supermarkets and conformity standards for ease of display on the supermarket shelves have transformed packaging along with anti-tamper since some criminals in the 1990's added glass, pins etc into food products and tried to hold the supermarkets to ransom. I remember the first shop that opened in Queensmead, Farnborough, the first supermarket I visited Fine Fare.
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« Reply #28 on: 10 October 2018, 00:49:46 »

Mate of mine is a bin man and went to pull a wheely bin one morning, it felt a bit heavy so he had the customary peep inside, to be met with the sight of a massive and very dead german shepherd  :o

Tell us half a story!  ::)  What did he do next?  ???

a) Shrug and sling Rex the dead dog in the back of the dustcart?
b) Do the 'right thing' and report the householders for inappropriate waste disposal?
c) Leave Rex resting in peace in his wheelie bin, but with the addition of a big sticker on the lid telling the householders that they can't put dead dogs in the wheelie bin?
d) Call out the RSPCA?
e) Sell Rex to the nearest Chinese takeaway?

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« Reply #29 on: 10 October 2018, 19:28:42 »

Mate of mine is a bin man and went to pull a wheely bin one morning, it felt a bit heavy so he had the customary peep inside, to be met with the sight of a massive and very dead german shepherd  :o

Tell us half a story!  ::)  What did he do next?  ???

a) Shrug and sling Rex the dead dog in the back of the dustcart?
b) Do the 'right thing' and report the householders for inappropriate waste disposal?
c) Leave Rex resting in peace in his wheelie bin, but with the addition of a big sticker on the lid telling the householders that they can't put dead dogs in the wheelie bin?
d) Call out the RSPCA?
e) Sell Rex to the nearest Chinese takeaway?

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« Reply #30 on: 10 October 2018, 19:33:00 »

Mate of mine is a bin man and went to pull a wheely bin one morning, it felt a bit heavy so he had the customary peep inside, to be met with the sight of a massive and very dead german shepherd  :o

Tell us half a story!  ::)  What did he do next?  ???

a) Shrug and sling Rex the dead dog in the back of the dustcart?
b) Do the 'right thing' and report the householders for inappropriate waste disposal?
c) Leave Rex resting in peace in his wheelie bin, but with the addition of a big sticker on the lid telling the householders that they can't put dead dogs in the wheelie bin?
d) Call out the RSPCA?
e) Sell Rex to the nearest Chinese takeaway?

 ;D
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« Reply #31 on: 11 October 2018, 00:24:28 »

Mate of mine is a bin man and went to pull a wheely bin one morning, it felt a bit heavy so he had the customary peep inside, to be met with the sight of a massive and very dead german shepherd  :o

Tell us half a story!  ::)  What did he do next?  ???

a) Shrug and sling Rex the dead dog in the back of the dustcart?
b) Do the 'right thing' and report the householders for inappropriate waste disposal?
c) Leave Rex resting in peace in his wheelie bin, but with the addition of a big sticker on the lid telling the householders that they can't put dead dogs in the wheelie bin?
d) Call out the RSPCA?
e) Sell Rex to the nearest Chinese takeaway?

 ;D
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« Reply #32 on: 11 October 2018, 01:09:19 »

Mate of mine is a bin man and went to pull a wheely bin one morning, it felt a bit heavy so he had the customary peep inside, to be met with the sight of a massive and very dead german shepherd  :o

Tell us half a story!  ::)  What did he do next?  ???

a) Shrug and sling Rex the dead dog in the back of the dustcart?
b) Do the 'right thing' and report the householders for inappropriate waste disposal?
c) Leave Rex resting in peace in his wheelie bin, but with the addition of a big sticker on the lid telling the householders that they can't put dead dogs in the wheelie bin?
d) Call out the RSPCA?
e) Sell Rex to the nearest Chinese takeaway?

 ;D
Korean. FTFY.

Mmmm dog and kimchi!  :)

Or go for no 88 wasp nest soup or a cat naga with rice mouse droppings from your local Indian. Yummy, you're so spoilt for choice in Darset. :o :o :o

Not for the faint hearts as it has quite a sting in it's tail!  :o  ;D

TB wouldn't notice though as apparently he has a permanently stinging tail!  :-X :o ;D
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RIP Paul 'Luvvie' Lovejoy

JC is not The Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!!
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