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Re: Next doors phones & tablets
« Reply #30 on: 04 November 2018, 10:53:20 »

File Explorer> Network> right click on device> properties> shows MAC address, no IP address.
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Re: Next doors phones & tablets
« Reply #31 on: 04 November 2018, 18:13:53 »

File Explorer> Network> right click on device> properties> shows MAC address, no IP address.
You are categorically on the same network.

No point diagnosing further, the device that is allowing it needs to go to landfill.  No matter id settings can apparently resolve it - clearly the designers have cocked up on a major way
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Re: Next doors phones & tablets
« Reply #32 on: 05 November 2018, 07:37:45 »

I've renamed my network as GCHQ-Street-Spy 8)
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Re: Next doors phones & tablets
« Reply #33 on: 05 November 2018, 08:53:14 »

If you find the device can I get the make/model to do some research?  Or could I buy the item off of you for a few beer tokens?
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Re: Next doors phones & tablets
« Reply #34 on: 05 November 2018, 10:12:35 »

The confusing thing is, our own phones and tablets don't show on the windows 10 network, everything else does - pc's, printers, tv.
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Re: Next doors phones & tablets
« Reply #35 on: 08 November 2018, 18:15:52 »

If I disable 'Windows Connect Now' they disappear. :y
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Re: Next doors phones & tablets
« Reply #36 on: 09 November 2018, 17:19:35 »

If I disable 'Windows Connect Now' they disappear. :y
You are completely and utterly missing the point.

If your hardware is allowing other people on your network, it needs replacing. If your PC drivers are looking for non connected Wifis when its connected to a known network, it needs changing.
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Re: Next doors phones & tablets
« Reply #37 on: 10 November 2018, 08:48:43 »

If I disable 'Windows Connect Now' they disappear. :y
You are completely and utterly missing the point.

If your hardware is allowing other people on your network, it needs replacing. If your PC drivers are looking for non connected Wifis when its connected to a known network, it needs changing.

Windows Connect Now searches your network not only for devices that are currently connected, but also for any devices that may potentially be capable to being on your network (if you give them permission.)


These ghost devices in a sense have been on your network, and are continously so.  Here's why:  Phones and some other WiFi devices, but especially phones, are continously scanning for available networks, even when they are connected to one, to try and findpossibly a better one (there's some technical babble of what's they are doing, but basically in laymans terms this is the best way to describe it.)   Because of this, your WiFi network is continously being scanned intermittently by these devices, and yourWiFi network is acknowledging of course that it is available.  This will even occur if your network is a hidden one by the way.  This is how a phone (or any other WiFi device for that matter) can actually even begin to connect to a WiFi network. 


When you are out and about, and you may need to connect to a WiFi network at say a friends house, or Restaurant even, you first have  to pull down the list of available networks to actually connect to it.  If you ever notice, depending where you are at thattime, there usually is at least one more, and often times, numerous other networks besides the one you're trying to connect to available.  Most of the time those devices are listed very quickly for you.  This is not because your phone is the fastest searcherin the world.  This is because in the background while you were doing other things, or it was in your pocket, it was also searching the area for these, so it could have it available to you at a moments notice.  This feature on some phones can be turned off,and those wishing to save battery power even more may look into that, however, that for another post.


The thing is, in order to get the device list, the phone/device sends out a 'packet' of data requesting devices info, that other WiFi devices and routers recognize, and respond to with information that is appropriate, in the case of a router for instance,it SSID (the WiFi network name) and type of security challenge that will be needed if that device wishes to join.  The initial sending out the information will almost always include it's MAC address, which is USUALLY assigned to a Manufacturer.  I could goon and on about this, however, it's Googly information that is even longer winded than I am.


With Windows Connect Now, it goes and does some further work so you don't have to.  It's does similar to what the phone does when you click on the Network in your 'File Explorer', Windows Connect Now, sends out a 'packet/beacon' to not only get a list ofthe current devices connect to your network, but also 'POTENTIAL' other devices that respond back to it's request via whatever WiFi outlet was available to send the beacon.  Also, it reads the logs you usually can not see yourself from a router to see whathas within a certain amount of time send out one of those packets, to try and give you the fullest list available of all possible devices you may connect to, if you, and that device BOTH have the proper authority to do so.  With Windows Connect Now off/disabled,you only see the actual devices that are currently on your network.  In this regard, WCN is not necessary as a feature, so it does not hurt at all to have it off, however, it does make it convenient when you want to connect to a tablet or other WiFi devicethat really is on your network, or at least you want it to be, then it shows you at a glance if the device itself is at least throwing off it's own beacon.


I know this is long winded, sorry for that, but hopefully in it's entirety it will help someone understand why they see these devices.

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Re: Next doors phones & tablets
« Reply #38 on: 10 November 2018, 10:15:42 »

My iPad picks up next doors router. In fact, it picks up every router within about 100 metres, as well as BT FON and BT WIFI X of course. But the routers are all padlocked.
Don't know if that's good or bad, and don't really care.
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Re: Next doors phones & tablets
« Reply #39 on: 10 November 2018, 11:28:41 »

My iPad picks up next doors router. In fact, it picks up every router within about 100 metres, as well as BT FON and BT WIFI X of course. But the routers are all padlocked.
Don't know if that's good or bad, and don't really care.

I'm not talking about networks, it's in Win 10 File Explorer > Networks.

There's 1000's of threads about this on the forums, seems to be a worldwide problem.
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Re: Next doors phones & tablets
« Reply #40 on: 10 November 2018, 12:34:46 »

My iPad picks up next doors router. In fact, it picks up every router within about 100 metres, as well as BT FON and BT WIFI X of course. But the routers are all padlocked.
Don't know if that's good or bad, and don't really care.

I'm not talking about networks, it's in Win 10 File Explorer > Networks.

There's 1000's of threads about this on the forums, seems to be a worldwide problem.
I said 'I don't care'.  ;D
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Re: Next doors phones & tablets
« Reply #41 on: 10 November 2018, 17:12:41 »

My iPad picks up next doors router. In fact, it picks up every router within about 100 metres, as well as BT FON and BT WIFI X of course. But the routers are all padlocked.
Don't know if that's good or bad, and don't really care.

I'm not talking about networks, it's in Win 10 File Explorer > Networks.

There's 1000's of threads about this on the forums, seems to be a worldwide problem.
There's a lot of shit kit out there. Shit kit* is a global problem.


*shit as in insecure. Ask Gaffers, keeps him gainfully employed :D
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Re: Next doors phones & tablets
« Reply #42 on: 10 November 2018, 17:17:51 »

My iPad picks up next doors router. In fact, it picks up every router within about 100 metres, as well as BT FON and BT WIFI X of course. But the routers are all padlocked.
Don't know if that's good or bad, and don't really care.

I'm not talking about networks, it's in Win 10 File Explorer > Networks.

There's 1000's of threads about this on the forums, seems to be a worldwide problem.
There's a lot of shit kit out there. Shit kit* is a global problem.


*shit as in insecure. Ask Gaffers, keeps him gainfully employed :D

As well as employees who keep making very avoidable mistakes*.  Both of which for I am truely grateful  ;D ;D

(*that's 'mistakes' spelt L-A-Z-I-N-E-S-S)
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Re: Next doors phones & tablets
« Reply #43 on: 10 November 2018, 17:21:49 »

My iPad picks up next doors router. In fact, it picks up every router within about 100 metres, as well as BT FON and BT WIFI X of course. But the routers are all padlocked.
Don't know if that's good or bad, and don't really care.

I'm not talking about networks, it's in Win 10 File Explorer > Networks.

There's 1000's of threads about this on the forums, seems to be a worldwide problem.
There's a lot of shit kit out there. Shit kit* is a global problem.


*shit as in insecure. Ask Gaffers, keeps him gainfully employed :D

As well as employees who keep making very avoidable mistakes*.  Both of which for I am truely grateful  ;D ;D

(*that's 'mistakes' spelt L-A-Z-I-N-E-S-S)

I am confident that my network is secure as can be.

Only MY devices are attached to my router.

The fact that windows can see other devices is explained above.

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