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Re: Scotland introducing 20p refund scheme
« Reply #45 on: 09 May 2019, 13:10:53 »

How things used to be done, and how they are now done are very, very different.

Even 15 years ago, you could barely get someone to answer the Goods In bell, let alone help load/unload :-X


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Re: Scotland introducing 20p refund scheme
« Reply #46 on: 09 May 2019, 13:32:45 »

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Any others?  ???  :-\  Appleade?  :-\


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Re: Scotland introducing 20p refund scheme
« Reply #47 on: 09 May 2019, 13:35:22 »

How things used to be done, and how they are now done are very, very different.

Even 15 years ago, you could barely get someone to answer the Goods In bell, let alone help load/unload :-X
How big is this bell? And how many and what type of goods do you put in it?
Ask LZ, she clearly knows everything...
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Re: Scotland introducing 20p refund scheme
« Reply #48 on: 09 May 2019, 14:46:53 »

How things used to be done, and how they are now done are very, very different.

Even 15 years ago, you could barely get someone to answer the Goods In bell, let alone help load/unload :-X
How big is this bell? And how many and what type of goods do you put in it?
Ask LZ, she clearly knows everything...

Nice of you DG to recognise that ;D ;D ;D ;)

But.........if only. As I have often said I only know what I know, which in the context of this world is fxck all! ::) ::)

15 years ago was after many staffing reductions in retailing, which are still going on.  Back in the day there would be one person or three responsible for seeing in the goods, but then 'specialist' staff gave way to 'general' staff, meaning they were required on the shop floor to assist customers and generate sales / profits.  In addition to staffing cuts, there was a requirement for staff to be fully trained in H&S, and if they were 'in the yard' receiving goods they had to be fully equipped to do so.  That was more expense, so the days of retail staff physically unloading a large lorry with all the risks of back and other injuries (I have often witnessed whole pallets of goods toppling off the back of the tail gate) were over.  That was for the fully trained, professional transport blokes (very unusual to see a woman doing it in those days) to deal with.

So, yes, the answering of the delivery bell is a longer process than perhaps before, but the queues of artics waiting to unload at at a set time, at the rear gates, has hardly changed from what I see now.  Security is still a big issue, so time is taken on that aspect of deliveries and returns. ;)
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Re: Scotland introducing 20p refund scheme
« Reply #49 on: 09 May 2019, 15:37:55 »

Staffing reductions are not a retail phenomenon.

Although what managers generally fail to understand* is that cutting staff does not guarantee to make the work place more efficient. Cutting to close to the bone in the name of profit usually results in the loss of customer satisfaction and ultimately customers/contracts.

*Perhaps they do and choose to actively ignore it, as by the time it matters (to them), they have either moved on or are waiting for the big fat redundancy cheque/transferring with the contract.
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Re: Scotland introducing 20p refund scheme
« Reply #50 on: 09 May 2019, 18:51:01 »

Staffing reductions are not a retail phenomenon.

Although what managers generally fail to understand* is that cutting staff does not guarantee to make the work place more efficient. Cutting to close to the bone in the name of profit usually results in the loss of customer satisfaction and ultimately customers/contracts.


*Perhaps they do and choose to actively ignore it, as by the time it matters (to them), they have either moved on or are waiting for the big fat redundancy cheque/transferring with the contract.

Now most of that I utterly agree with!! :o :o :D :y

Yes, cutting staff, certainly from the retail sales floor which is of course my area of expertise, does damage the ability of the business to provide the top level of Customer Care I for one was passionate about.  It was not good for the business at the sharp end, and as a manager I often argued that at Board level.

However, in retail, when you have stores that are not profitable due to the burden of costs, the main element one being the wage expenditure, you have a choice. Cut the staff bill, a'nd bring the store back into profit, or sell up with all staff involved losing their jobs!

In the 1980,s I became responsible for a budget of 80 million, and 3,000 staff.  From then on I often in my career had to make hard choices, cutting other costs when possible, but all too often having to reduce the wage bill to keep within profit targets.  That is because there were, and still are, constant pressures from competitors who were reducing their prices which we needed to match to stay competitive.  At the same time there are increased rent and rate bills squeezing the viability of the business, let alone increases (quite rightly) in legal minimum hourly wage levels.

As a senior manager I had to keep the P&L balanced, producing the level of profit for our multi-billion dollar International mother company that they expected on their investment.  That is what is being faced daily by my opposite numbers in the major retail companies now, with more and more the only choice is to close expensive retail units. I am sure I do not need to name all those currently in trouble and those already expired.  Managers eventually lose their jobs as well, and I had to make redundant all too many in my time.  So, yes, we as managers fully understand what we are doing, and for many of us it is heartbreaking to see your retail empire fading. But, the Customer is dictating where they shop, when they shop, and crucially where they can get the cheapest prices.  This is increasingly not in expensive to run superstores but online or in discount stores where they are already on limited staffing levels, and do not display items in a true traditional way, but in bulk straight out of the cases on shop floors.

That is where we are at, but big change is still happening. Tesco, Sainsbury, M&S, John Lewis, W.H.Smith, and the others will, as I have stated before, be in definite danger of following all the others I have seen go in my lifetime. :'( :'( :'(

"Managers" of any business can work miracles with what they have got, but to stop the current trend of retail disintegration will take far more. :'( :'(
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Re: Scotland introducing 20p refund scheme
« Reply #51 on: 09 May 2019, 19:18:25 »

The discourse of he last few pages is a microcosm of the problem.

We create rubbish which could be recycled with imagination.

What is lacking is the magination and determination.  Just difficulty stating.

It is easier to throw away tins and bottles etc than recycle them.
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Re: Scotland introducing 20p refund scheme
« Reply #52 on: 09 May 2019, 19:31:13 »

The discourse of he last few pages is a microcosm of the problem.

We create rubbish which could be recycled with imagination.

What is lacking is the magination and determination.  Just difficulty stating.

It is easier to throw away tins and bottles etc than recycle them.

That Varche, in your one sentence, is the real issue. ;)
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Re: Scotland introducing 20p refund scheme
« Reply #53 on: 09 May 2019, 21:10:16 »

The reality here is that if empty plastic pop bottles are to be returned, supermarkets will have a caged insert pallet sized crusher in the warehouse to crush them so, they take up a fraction of the space of the full ones. This will then be loaded as a caged pallet to their supply warehouse where they will be loaded into a container, shipped to the nearest container port sent to Asia to be environmentally disposed of & thrown into the Pacific Ocean. All additional costs plus a markup will be passed onto the consumer, thus bit by bit they are reducing our freedom & standard of living. >:( >:( >:(

This will suit the big retailers as it increases the cost of entry into the market, reduces competition through cheaper independents & small chains disappearing not only in grocery markets, but also in fast food & restaurants, thus increasing the multiples profits. People like Lizzie with her infinite budget will love it those on small ones, especially JAMs who already find life challenging, will increasingly have to go without, food, drink, energy & accommodation*, choosing which they can afford & which they will have to live without. What is there not to like about it if you are green & rich, like Lizzie & Emma Thompson? :( :( :(

*Items 2 & 3 on my list are the easiest, by only drinking tap water & walking, cycling & freezing in the winter to reduce energy consumption.

The green agenda is all about smashing capitalism & imposing total political control, so the world consists of all nations being like Venezuela & DPRK. Unfortunately, they have plenty of useful fools that subscribe to this. :( :( :( The good news is that there is a much bigger section of society who like the benefits of capitalism, freedom & democracy and we are pushing back, hence the rapid rise of the only major right of centre political party in the UK, The Brexit Party. :y :y :y
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Re: Scotland introducing 20p refund scheme
« Reply #54 on: 09 May 2019, 21:12:23 »

How things used to be done, and how they are now done are very, very different.

Even 15 years ago, you could barely get someone to answer the Goods In bell, let alone help load/unload :-X
How big is this bell? And how many and what type of goods do you put in it?
Ask LZ, she clearly knows everything...

Nice of you DG to recognise that ;D ;D ;D ;)

But.........if only. As I have often said I only know what I know, which in the context of this world is fxck all! ::) ::)

15 years ago was after many staffing reductions in retailing, which are still going on.  Back in the day there would be one person or three responsible for seeing in the goods, but then 'specialist' staff gave way to 'general' staff, meaning they were required on the shop floor to assist customers and generate sales / profits.  In addition to staffing cuts, there was a requirement for staff to be fully trained in H&S, and if they were 'in the yard' receiving goods they had to be fully equipped to do so.  That was more expense, so the days of retail staff physically unloading a large lorry with all the risks of back and other injuries (I have often witnessed whole pallets of goods toppling off the back of the tail gate) were over.  That was for the fully trained, professional transport blokes (very unusual to see a woman doing it in those days) to deal with.

So, yes, the answering of the delivery bell is a longer process than perhaps before, but the queues of artics waiting to unload at at a set time, at the rear gates, has hardly changed from what I see now.  Security is still a big issue, so time is taken on that aspect of deliveries and returns. ;)
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If I have to sit and wait to get unloaded, who cares, paid by the hour, ring it in after 1hr let the office deal with it, late for 2nd/3rd/4th who cares, stock not delivered, well ring delivery point 1 it's down to them. 

What doesn't get done today gets done tomorrow. :)
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Re: Scotland introducing 20p refund scheme
« Reply #55 on: 10 May 2019, 12:19:18 »

The reality here is that if empty plastic pop bottles are to be returned, supermarkets will have a caged insert pallet sized crusher in the warehouse to crush them so, they take up a fraction of the space of the full ones. This will then be loaded as a caged pallet to their supply warehouse where they will be loaded into a container, shipped to the nearest container port sent to Asia to be environmentally disposed of & thrown into the Pacific Ocean. All additional costs plus a markup will be passed onto the consumer, thus bit by bit they are reducing our freedom & standard of living. >:( >:( >:(

This will suit the big retailers as it increases the cost of entry into the market, reduces competition through cheaper independents & small chains disappearing not only in grocery markets, but also in fast food & restaurants, thus increasing the multiples profits. People like Lizzie with her infinite budget will love it those on small ones, especially JAMs who already find life challenging, will increasingly have to go without, food, drink, energy & accommodation*, choosing which they can afford & which they will have to live without. What is there not to like about it if you are green & rich, like Lizzie & Emma Thompson? :( :( :(

*Items 2 & 3 on my list are the easiest, by only drinking tap water & walking, cycling & freezing in the winter to reduce energy consumption.

The green agenda is all about smashing capitalism & imposing total political control, so the world consists of all nations being like Venezuela & DPRK. Unfortunately, they have plenty of useful fools that subscribe to this. :( :( :( The good news is that there is a much bigger section of society who like the benefits of capitalism, freedom & democracy and we are pushing back, hence the rapid rise of the only major right of centre political party in the UK, The Brexit Party. :y :y :y

In my posts I was talking about GLASS bottle returns.  ::) ::) ::)

Again though you come out with some crap, and somehow want to blame me, and Emma, for it all!  ::) ::) ::)

 Smaller retailer units have ALREADY disappeared  in droves as the CONSUMER - not me or Emma - has decided to use the larger supermarket / superstores. The company I still have an interest in, as it pays my pension as I am NOT rich (!!!), can be badly affected by all changes within retail, which could include the recycling of GLASS bottles and crates with extra handling costs which is ACTUALLY what I have been talking about in my posts! Yes, there WILL be implications when it comes to budgets, that once again you seem to think I believe are " infinite". If you really knew business then you would know, as I do that is never the case; if only it had been as I would not have had to cut hundreds of thousands of pounds from our staffing expenditure budget on a fairly regular basis over two decades and lost some great colleagues :'( :'( :'(!! 

 Now, actually, it is the SMALLER supermarkets that are bucking the trend in retailing with Aldi, Lidl and even the great Co-Op doing well.  What have I, or Emma Thompson, got anything to do with people going without " food, drink, energy & accommodation"??  What has that got to do with just me; IF it is the case (which actually is just crap, but hey ho!) , it is due to the MARKET.  It is down to the great Western general public who want the cheapest, the most, the best, at the cheapest quality at their complete convenience. It is down to you, me and ALL the general public to change their ways, and the methods/preferences of commercial concerns. The latter will eventually have to take on board the new regulations and standards, with any increased costs, of what is decided by government, which IS going to mean recycling even more of an issue than it is now.

As I made clear though, in another of my posts, I am all in favour of any glass (and other materials) recycling initiative that can save our planet, even if that costs business profit initially.  But, one thing you were right about, even with GLASS recycling, the costs WILL be passed on to the consumer as is usual in our capitalist system. ;)
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