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Rear Brake Pads pins and rattle springs
« on: 26 May 2019, 19:20:08 »

Anyone know if the springs and pins come with the brake pad kits? I've got a mechanic friend getting me rear discs and pads at discount out of local factor, I think it's Apec pads/discs. I already bought a delphi pack of springs and pins in anticipation of them not being in thhe brake pack, but they are for the solid disc by the look of it, pins too short and rattle springs too small.

Might just buy a set to be safe rather than sorry. Do these look correct ones?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1x-OE-Quality-Replacement-Apec-Braking-Accessory-Kit-for-Brake-Pads-APEKIT315/311324684531?fits=Car+Make%3AVauxhall%7CModel%3AOmega&epid=1946937398&hash=item487c65b0f3:g:Va8AAOSwNSxVEYCl

It says listed for a 2.6 up to 2003 but they delphi pack I bought listed them as for this model but they obviously weren't. What a pain in the tits these springs and pins are!
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Re: Rear Brake Pads pins and rattle springs
« Reply #1 on: 26 May 2019, 19:27:08 »

Air cooled or not?
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Re: Rear Brake Pads pins and rattle springs
« Reply #2 on: 26 May 2019, 19:30:15 »

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Re: Rear Brake Pads pins and rattle springs
« Reply #3 on: 26 May 2019, 19:56:38 »

ask the seller to measure a pin
probably not the correct ones for vented discs 2.6 & 3.2
the ebay compatibility chart is clearly wrong
also worth checking that the ones you have fitted are ok,they might be fine
 
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Re: Rear Brake Pads pins and rattle springs
« Reply #4 on: 26 May 2019, 20:06:33 »

I will bet the pins are for non-vented.

Just sold nice shiney new set..
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Re: Rear Brake Pads pins and rattle springs
« Reply #5 on: 26 May 2019, 21:25:15 »

Thinking of reusing pins, it's mainly the rattle springs I need, mine are shot.
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Re: Rear Brake Pads pins and rattle springs
« Reply #6 on: 27 May 2019, 06:58:19 »

https://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=127928.0

Rattle spring is also different in vented/not vented.
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Re: Rear Brake Pads pins and rattle springs
« Reply #7 on: 27 May 2019, 19:30:06 »

https://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=127928.0

Rattle spring is also different in vented/not vented.

Aye, it's defo bigger comparing the kit I originally bought with my old one.
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Re: Rear Brake Pads pins and rattle springs
« Reply #8 on: 28 May 2019, 18:19:39 »

Pins usually re useable unless realy bad and Spring usually just breaks its rivet so repairable too!
Yours may be worse however ? .
The fitment charts are rarely correct and harder to find the correct ones
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Re: Rear Brake Pads pins and rattle springs
« Reply #9 on: 03 June 2019, 22:08:06 »

I sometimes wonder why people made the guides...

https://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=127928.0

Clearly visible on the index page ::)
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Re: Rear Brake Pads pins and rattle springs
« Reply #10 on: 04 June 2019, 14:57:01 »

I sometimes wonder why people made the guides...

https://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=127928.0

Clearly visible on the index page ::)
That guide contains duff information. It needs to be corrected.
The GM part numbers referenced and the photo are all correct. However:
APEC KIT315 contains 74mm pins / 48mm cross springs and is for 12mm solid discs. Not for 20mm vented as implied in the guide.
APEC KIT310 contains 63mm pins and is not for a Vauxhall Omega B/B2 of any description.

Mintex MBA 1271 kit contains 74mm pins / 48mm cross springs and is for 12mm solid discs. Not for 20mm vented as implied in the guide.
Mintex MBA 1266 kit contains 63mm pins is is not for a Vauxhall Omega B/B2 of any description. Seems to be for some Astra F & Saab 9-3

The mistake for APEC seems to originate from the APEC catalogue for Vauxhall. KIT315 is stated to be for Omega vented rear discs. And KIT310 for solid. However the same mistake is not there for Opel. Only KIT315 is mentioned for Opel and nothing is listed for vented.

On the other hand the Mintex catalogue clearly states that MBA 1271 is for solid discs on Vauxhall/Opel and nothing is listed for vented at all. Kit MBA 1266 is not listed as being used on any Omega B.

I don't know of any 3rd party fitting kits that actually fit vented rears. And GM never sold the vented parts as a kit or supplied them with the pads. Only the sold disc kit came with the pads. The vented parts don't seem to have been used on any other Opel/Vauxhall/Cadillac etc. I suspect that there might be something suitable from an older BMW or Merc, Autovaux were apparently able to get alternatives from somewhere but that was several years ago.

New GM 56mm cross springs for vented are no longer available anywhere, including the USA probably, since around 2013. That said I've been told that 86mm pins could still be had a couple of years ago, so it's worth a shot to see can a dealer get some on special order.

The bottom line is that you need to clean and repair the vented pins and cross-springs if at all possible. One of the German forums recommends adapting a round nail to substitute for a pin.
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Re: Rear Brake Pads pins and rattle springs
« Reply #11 on: 04 June 2019, 16:45:36 »

Anyone know if the springs and pins come with the brake pad kits? I've got a mechanic friend getting me rear discs and pads at discount out of local factor, I think it's Apec pads/discs. I already bought a delphi pack of springs and pins in anticipation of them not being in thhe brake pack, but they are for the solid disc by the look of it, pins too short and rattle springs too small.

Might just buy a set to be safe rather than sorry. Do these look correct ones?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1x-OE-Quality-Replacement-Apec-Braking-Accessory-Kit-for-Brake-Pads-APEKIT315/311324684531?fits=Car+Make%3AVauxhall%7CModel%3AOmega&epid=1946937398&hash=item487c65b0f3:g:Va8AAOSwNSxVEYCl

It says listed for a 2.6 up to 2003 but they delphi pack I bought listed them as for this model but they obviously weren't. What a pain in the tits these springs and pins are!
europarts 107721088 thats the order No. not long since did mine.
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Re: Rear Brake Pads pins and rattle springs
« Reply #12 on: 04 June 2019, 21:05:45 »

europarts 107721088 thats the order No. not long since did mine.
euro car parts
and those "107721088" won't fit 2.6 despite the website saying they will, or 3.2
they are for solid rear discs  ;)
2.6 and 3.2 are vented rear disc
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Re: Rear Brake Pads pins and rattle springs
« Reply #13 on: 05 June 2019, 01:15:28 »

europarts 107721088 thats the order No. not long since did mine.
euro car parts
and those "107721088" won't fit 2.6 despite the website saying they will, or 3.2
they are for solid rear discs  ;)
2.6 and 3.2 are vented rear disc
that number is for the vented discs, defo
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Re: Rear Brake Pads pins and rattle springs
« Reply #14 on: 05 June 2019, 09:58:38 »

europarts 107721088 thats the order No. not long since did mine.
euro car parts
and those "107721088" won't fit 2.6 despite the website saying they will, or 3.2
they are for solid rear discs  ;)
2.6 and 3.2 are vented rear disc


Ecp DID do the pins for vented kits, weather you get the correct ones is another matter, your best going to your local store order them, and collect in person.
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Re: Rear Brake Pads pins and rattle springs
« Reply #15 on: 05 June 2019, 12:10:56 »

europarts 107721088 thats the order No. not long since did mine.
euro car parts
and those "107721088" won't fit 2.6 despite the website saying they will, or 3.2
they are for solid rear discs  ;)
2.6 and 3.2 are vented rear disc

my rear discs on a 2.2dti are vented hence the pins need to be longer & having just recently fitted some so know that ecp No is right
Ecp DID do the pins for vented kits, weather you get the correct ones is another matter, your best going to your local store order them, and collect in person.
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Re: Rear Brake Pads pins and rattle springs
« Reply #16 on: 05 June 2019, 12:30:50 »

europarts 107721088 thats the order No. not long since did mine.
euro car parts
and those "107721088" won't fit 2.6 despite the website saying they will, or 3.2
they are for solid rear discs  ;)
2.6 and 3.2 are vented rear disc

my rear discs on a 2.2dti are vented hence the pins need to be longer & having just recently fitted some so know that ecp No is right
Ecp DID do the pins for vented kits, weather you get the correct ones is another matter, your best going to your local store order them, and collect in person.
Are you sure?

It left factory with solid rear discs :-X
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Re: Rear Brake Pads pins and rattle springs
« Reply #17 on: 06 June 2019, 18:15:18 »

I bought 107721088 from ECP at end of May.  definitely for solid rear discs.  Interestingly ECP list two types (at least for mine) and the second type is for a Vectra B - don't understand that
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Re: Rear Brake Pads pins and rattle springs
« Reply #18 on: 06 June 2019, 18:25:15 »

I bought 107721088 from ECP at end of May.  definitely for solid rear discs.  Interestingly ECP list two types (at least for mine) and the second type is for a Vectra B - don't understand that
some vectra b had the same rear brakes as Omega A, carlton
I used to order vec B handbrake return springs because the main stealer could get them  ;D
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Re: Rear Brake Pads pins and rattle springs
« Reply #19 on: 07 June 2019, 00:11:46 »


New GM 56mm cross springs for vented are no longer available anywhere, including the USA probably, since around 2013. That said I've been told that 86mm pins could still be had a couple of years ago, so it's worth a shot to see can a dealer get some on special order.
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In September 2017, I asked my local VX dealer about the vented pins and anti rattle springs. They checked and stated there were only 14 pins and 6 springs available anywhere in the UK, Europe or beyond - the majority in Germany. Not cheap, but I bought the lot....
I'm sure there will be more hidden away somewhere but it's just where....
Oh, and in case anyone wonders, having 3 Omegas with vented rear discs they aren't for sale - sorry.....
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Re: Rear Brake Pads pins and rattle springs
« Reply #20 on: 13 June 2019, 17:03:06 »

Re. the vented pins and springs - I contacted my local VX dealer a few days ago after the recent suggestion that they were totally unavailable, and asked again about whether they are still obtainable with the idea of adding to my existing supply so that I had complete sets, ie full sets of 4 pins, and 2 springs.
As a result today I picked up a further 2 pins and 6 springs (9195055 and 9195056).
So they are still available - the pins were at Luton and the springs in Germany.
So I'd get your skates on and get some from Vauxhall whilst there are a actually some still obtainable.....
And don't be fobbed off because they can't be bothered to search properly!
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Re: Rear Brake Pads pins and rattle springs
« Reply #21 on: 18 June 2019, 20:06:07 »

europarts 107721088 thats the order No. not long since did mine.
euro car parts
and those "107721088" won't fit 2.6 despite the website saying they will, or 3.2
they are for solid rear discs  ;)
2.6 and 3.2 are vented rear disc
   ecp 107721028 solid discs.
                      107721088 vented , to view these on the ecp site submit the number to see them or the site will only give the solid type

Ecp DID do the pins for vented kits, weather you get the correct ones is another matter, your best going to your local store order them, and collect in person.
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