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Re: Phaeton on the way out?
« Reply #15 on: 03 June 2019, 22:11:44 »

Previous model S Class (W221) is readily available for sensible money :y
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Re: Phaeton on the way out?
« Reply #16 on: 04 June 2019, 08:33:40 »

I always liked the Phaeton and thought it a little left-field for VW, as they already had Audi (A8) to do the job in this sector, but applauded them for trying. Certainly I'd own one, however one of the major, major selling points for Omega ownership for me is repair costs, which clearly in the case of the Phaeton, is causing the OP some headache.

Mind, definitely a future classic, the Phaeton. Never sold many, and there'll never be another. :y
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Re: Phaeton on the way out?
« Reply #17 on: 04 June 2019, 08:45:31 »

Pop to China and you can still buy a brand-new Phaeton, it's just called something else: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Phideon

Pretty sure that might just be the results of someone in Germany trying to tell someone in China how to pronounce Phaeton, though ;D ;D
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Re: Phaeton on the way out?
« Reply #18 on: 04 June 2019, 13:51:59 »

Did not know that!  :y I'm actually a fan of longer-lived vehicle production runs, Brazil, China, Africa tend to be good examples of these.

If we did more things like that (Mini, Beetle, 911 etc) you can spend your time making incremental changes, improvements as and when they are technologically available/viable etc... As we do it now with 6 yr life cycles, every time a new model is launched there's teams of people 'reinventing the wheel' as a mate of mine said the other day when talking about car design and reliability. Think of how many annoyances/quirks or down right stupid ideas we've all come across working on cars and you find yourself saying "on the old one you just unplugged that and you could get to it, now you've got to remove the blah blah, take this bracket off, then get to it.. "

I'm not saying its as black and white as "all old cars are better, all new cars are rubbish" but its very interesting to see one model evolves when its blessed with a long production run.

Might see about shipping over one of these Made in China Posideons   :y :D
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Re: Phaeton on the way out?
« Reply #19 on: 04 June 2019, 13:53:19 »

Pop to China and you can still buy a brand-new Phaeton, it's just called something else: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Phideon

Pretty sure that might just be the results of someone in Germany trying to tell someone in China how to pronounce Phaeton, though ;D ;D

You mean like when 'Rover' changed to 'Roewe'?! That still makes me laugh!

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Re: Phaeton on the way out?
« Reply #20 on: 04 June 2019, 13:59:46 »

Pop to China and you can still buy a brand-new Phaeton, it's just called something else: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Phideon

Hmm, a phaeton with a 2.0T - presumably an aid to the driver achieving zen-like patience ;)
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Re: Phaeton on the way out?
« Reply #21 on: 08 June 2019, 23:30:56 »

A glimmer of hope for the Phaeton - an independent has started work on it...steering rack is now out and was in fact a Bentley rack. It will be sent for rebuild next week. Took 6 hours to get it out.
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Re: Phaeton on the way out?
« Reply #22 on: 27 June 2019, 13:34:15 »

After a couple of weeks away on business just collected the Phaeton so now back on road - however - nothing but bad luck with it. Indie sent steering rack away for refurb but due to corrosion was beyond remanufacture. Decided on a VW refurbed rack and hopefully with them they will not look too closely at the exchanged rack. This may take several weeks before we hear on value. Other pipes connected to rack corroded and replaced also. Aircon condenser replaced but sods law once re-gassed there were leaks from the valves where you connect up to do the  re-gas. This was sorted but system will not take a full charge and throughput only coolish so definitely not working properly despite no leaks. Seems the system has had no refrigerant in for a long time and stuff has seized up so thought is with the valve buried behind dashboard which is something of a no go area in this car. Can only get 180g of 600g in so decision is to run it to see if now gassed it may sort out whatever restriction is there. Hopefully it is not a problem with new condenser.
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Re: Phaeton on the way out?
« Reply #23 on: 27 June 2019, 14:10:43 »

Unfortunately that's what happens when a company rebadges a Bentley and sells it for a quarter of the price... At some point you get Bentley bills :'(
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Re: Phaeton on the way out?
« Reply #24 on: 27 June 2019, 15:25:37 »

After a couple of weeks away on business just collected the Phaeton so now back on road - however - nothing but bad luck with it. Indie sent steering rack away for refurb but due to corrosion was beyond remanufacture. Decided on a VW refurbed rack and hopefully with them they will not look too closely at the exchanged rack. This may take several weeks before we hear on value. Other pipes connected to rack corroded and replaced also. Aircon condenser replaced but sods law once re-gassed there were leaks from the valves where you connect up to do the  re-gas. This was sorted but system will not take a full charge and throughput only coolish so definitely not working properly despite no leaks. Seems the system has had no refrigerant in for a long time and stuff has seized up so thought is with the valve buried behind dashboard which is something of a no go area in this car. Can only get 180g of 600g in so decision is to run it to see if now gassed it may sort out whatever restriction is there. Hopefully it is not a problem with new condenser.

I smell something.....expansion valve cant impact gas charge quantity (as it can fill from the low and high sides)
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Re: Phaeton on the way out?
« Reply #25 on: 27 June 2019, 17:13:04 »

After a couple of weeks away on business just collected the Phaeton so now back on road - however - nothing but bad luck with it. Indie sent steering rack away for refurb but due to corrosion was beyond remanufacture. Decided on a VW refurbed rack and hopefully with them they will not look too closely at the exchanged rack. This may take several weeks before we hear on value. Other pipes connected to rack corroded and replaced also. Aircon condenser replaced but sods law once re-gassed there were leaks from the valves where you connect up to do the  re-gas. This was sorted but system will not take a full charge and throughput only coolish so definitely not working properly despite no leaks. Seems the system has had no refrigerant in for a long time and stuff has seized up so thought is with the valve buried behind dashboard which is something of a no go area in this car. Can only get 180g of 600g in so decision is to run it to see if now gassed it may sort out whatever restriction is there. Hopefully it is not a problem with new condenser.

I smell something.....expansion valve cant impact gas charge quantity (as it can fill from the low and high sides)

Possibly restriction in new Condensor??
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Re: Phaeton on the way out?
« Reply #26 on: 28 June 2019, 18:11:24 »

I misunderstood the position re 180g v 600g of gas. What mechanic meant was with more than 180g in the system it shuts down and throws fault codes. So not realising this just had it  topped up to 600g with a mobile aircon guy and of course it shut down. Just trying to contact Tunnie to see if he can clear the codes with his VAG system  - apparently it will work if you drive off straight away and do not allow car to idle. Problem could be compressor or some pressure valve as pressure very high.
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Re: Phaeton on the way out?
« Reply #27 on: 28 June 2019, 18:17:36 »

Surely the Indy has the means to read and clear codes ::)
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Re: Phaeton on the way out?
« Reply #28 on: 28 June 2019, 18:50:28 »

Yes he has. It was throwing codes if you put more than 180g in. Just driven it and it is starting to work I think - quite cold so maybe it resets itself. When it was purged tonight there seemed to be an air bubble. God knows what is going on.
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Re: Phaeton on the way out?
« Reply #29 on: 28 June 2019, 21:46:27 »

Replied to your PM  :y

Tomorrow would be a good test if it's working! Feel free top drop by for a diag session, hopefully that laptop power cable is where I think it is.  ;D
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