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Omega 2.6 runs better without MAF
« on: 11 June 2019, 20:00:12 »

Hi, if my car runs better with MAF sensor disconnected, does that mean it's wrong? The car runs like a plane!
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Re: Omega 2.6 runs better without MAF
« Reply #1 on: 11 June 2019, 20:08:26 »

What prompted you to remove the Maf ?
was it running rough or lacking throttle response  :-\
did you read the ECM fault codes before hand or since ?
removing the MAF defaults to a substitute value map for air intake temperature and flow IIRC 
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Re: Omega 2.6 runs better without MAF
« Reply #2 on: 11 June 2019, 20:14:05 »

Remove some other bits....you never know.  ;D
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Re: Omega 2.6 runs better without MAF
« Reply #3 on: 11 June 2019, 20:21:28 »

Remove some other bits....you never know.  ;D
what is your school of thought uncle Stemo  :-\
weight reduction = better fuel economy  ;D

pretty sure GM would not have fitted parts if they where not needed  ::)
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Re: Omega 2.6 runs better without MAF
« Reply #4 on: 11 June 2019, 20:37:35 »

Remove some other bits....you never know.  ;D
what is your school of thought uncle Stemo  :-\
weight reduction = better fuel economy  ;D

pretty sure GM would not have fitted parts if they where not needed  ::)
Remove the air filter......more air.....more oooomph.   Seemples  :)
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Re: Omega 2.6 runs better without MAF
« Reply #5 on: 11 June 2019, 20:47:10 »

Remove some other bits....you never know.  ;D
what is your school of thought uncle Stemo  :-\
weight reduction = better fuel economy  ;D

pretty sure GM would not have fitted parts if they where not needed  ::)
Remove the air filter......more air.....more oooomph.   Seemples  :)
without a MAF, the engine won't know it's getting more air
without an air filter, BIG chunks of rusty subframe and failing front suspension parts will be sucked into the engine  ;D
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Re: Omega 2.6 runs better without MAF
« Reply #6 on: 11 June 2019, 20:53:35 »

Remove some other bits....you never know.  ;D
what is your school of thought uncle Stemo  :-\
weight reduction = better fuel economy  ;D

pretty sure GM would not have fitted parts if they where not needed  ::)
Remove the air filter......more air.....more oooomph.   Seemples  :)
without a MAF, the engine won't know it's getting more air
without an air filter, BIG chunks of rusty subframe and failing front suspension parts will be sucked into the engine  ;D
Yes.....euthanasia. You know it makes sense.  ;D
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Re: Omega 2.6 runs better without MAF
« Reply #7 on: 11 June 2019, 20:57:10 »

Remove some other bits....you never know.  ;D
what is your school of thought uncle Stemo  :-\
weight reduction = better fuel economy  ;D

pretty sure GM would not have fitted parts if they where not needed  ::)
Remove the air filter......more air.....more oooomph.   Seemples  :)
without a MAF, the engine won't know it's getting more air
without an air filter, BIG chunks of rusty subframe and failing front suspension parts will be sucked into the engine  ;D
Yes.....euthanasia. You know it makes sense.  ;D

 ;D :D
It would save me loads of money off the petrol bill

I'll ask Terry to find me a nice astra  :y
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Re: Omega 2.6 runs better without MAF
« Reply #8 on: 11 June 2019, 20:57:40 »

What prompted you to remove the Maf ?
was it running rough or lacking throttle response  :-\
did you read the ECM fault codes before hand or since ?
removing the MAF defaults to a substitute value map for air intake temperature and flow IIRC

I have dtc p0173, fuel trim. I have already changed the lambda probes and it remains the same. The MAF can also give that breakdown, that's why I try it
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Re: Omega 2.6 runs better without MAF
« Reply #9 on: 11 June 2019, 21:08:31 »

What prompted you to remove the Maf ?
was it running rough or lacking throttle response  :-\
did you read the ECM fault codes before hand or since ?
removing the MAF defaults to a substitute value map for air intake temperature and flow IIRC

I have dtc p0173, fuel trim. I have already changed the lambda probes and it remains the same. The MAF can also give that breakdown, that's why I try it
check for air leaks and exhaust leaks
have you got access to a code reader or computer to give live engine data ?
that way you could look at bank 1 fuel trims etc to see if they are close to throwing a code, or if it is just a bank 2 specific problem
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Re: Omega 2.6 runs better without MAF
« Reply #10 on: 11 June 2019, 21:48:03 »

What prompted you to remove the Maf ?
was it running rough or lacking throttle response  :-\
did you read the ECM fault codes before hand or since ?
removing the MAF defaults to a substitute value map for air intake temperature and flow IIRC

I have dtc p0173, fuel trim. I have already changed the lambda probes and it remains the same. The MAF can also give that breakdown, that's why I try it
check for air leaks and exhaust leaks
have you got access to a code reader or computer to give live engine data ?
that way you could look at bank 1 fuel trims etc to see if they are close to throwing a code, or if it is just a bank 2 specific problem

Yes, I have. The problem is in bank 2  but the bank 1 also does not work well, although better than 2. But the question is, why does it go much better with the MAF disconnected.  do not see air intakes and the emissions got perfect on itv (mot) so the exhaust does not leak
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Re: Omega 2.6 runs better without MAF
« Reply #11 on: 11 June 2019, 22:15:18 »

What prompted you to remove the Maf ?
was it running rough or lacking throttle response  :-\
did you read the ECM fault codes before hand or since ?
removing the MAF defaults to a substitute value map for air intake temperature and flow IIRC

I have dtc p0173, fuel trim. I have already changed the lambda probes and it remains the same. The MAF can also give that breakdown, that's why I try it
check for air leaks and exhaust leaks
have you got access to a code reader or computer to give live engine data ?
that way you could look at bank 1 fuel trims etc to see if they are close to throwing a code, or if it is just a bank 2 specific problem

Yes, I have. The problem is in bank 2  but the bank 1 also does not work well, although better than 2. But the question is, why does it go much better with the MAF disconnected.  do not see air intakes and the emissions got perfect on itv (mot) so the exhaust does not leak
obviously something has failed since ITV / MOT test for the code to be present
once cleared, how long before the code comes back ?
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Re: Omega 2.6 runs better without MAF
« Reply #12 on: 11 June 2019, 22:25:27 »

Unplugging MAF forces it to run on a fixed set of assumptions. That it runs better unplugged points to the MAF being faulty ;)
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Re: Omega 2.6 runs better without MAF
« Reply #13 on: 12 June 2019, 05:14:49 »

What prompted you to remove the Maf ?
was it running rough or lacking throttle response  :-\
did you read the ECM fault codes before hand or since ?
removing the MAF defaults to a substitute value map for air intake temperature and flow IIRC

I have dtc p0173, fuel trim. I have already changed the lambda probes and it remains the same. The MAF can also give that breakdown, that's why I try it
check for air leaks and exhaust leaks
have you got access to a code reader or computer to give live engine data ?
that way you could look at bank 1 fuel trims etc to see if they are close to throwing a code, or if it is just a bank 2 specific problem

Yes, I have. The problem is in bank 2  but the bank 1 also does not work well, although better than 2. But the question is, why does it go much better with the MAF disconnected.  do not see air intakes and the emissions got perfect on itv (mot) so the exhaust does not leak
obviously something has failed since ITV / MOT test for the code to be present
once cleared, how long before the code comes back ?

Around 30-50 milles
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Re: Omega 2.6 runs better without MAF
« Reply #14 on: 12 June 2019, 05:19:16 »

Unplugging MAF forces it to run on a fixed set of assumptions. That it runs better unplugged points to the MAF being faulty ;)

Yes right? Is what I imagine, with the MAF unplugged can not go better, right?

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