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Re: Top Gear
« Reply #30 on: 24 June 2019, 22:56:53 »

Thought it was genuinely funny.

I thought the model 3 test was a bit of pro-fossil sleight of hand. Given they put it up against more expensive metal (20k more in the case of the Merc).

I rather think it would have murdered the 3.0diesels the big Germans will sell you for the same money as the Tesla.
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Re: Top Gear
« Reply #31 on: 24 June 2019, 23:06:55 »

Thought it was genuinely funny.

I thought the model 3 test was a bit of pro-fossil sleight of hand. Given they put it up against more expensive metal (20k more in the case of the Merc).

I rather think it would have murdered the 3.0diesels the big Germans will sell you for the same money as the Tesla.

but .... . The Tesla looked a great car (apart from the 21" plasma glued to the dash) and was very quick, but the range and time to fully charge would still be a concern for me. What do you do when your electric car's battery is all but flat, you need to go to work 25 miles away & you'd forgot to put your electric car on charge last night? Work will only let you use that excuse so many times.
Hybrids though ...... I could accept one of them.
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Re: Top Gear
« Reply #32 on: 24 June 2019, 23:18:48 »

I agree. I see the cost saving as a trade off with how organised you need to be, unless you have a supercharger on your route to work. Which most people don't. Ultimately, given the average distance people drive in the UK, charging something like the model 3 would be less than a weekly event, so you'd have to be pretty forgetful ;)

If you factor in the cost of fuel, I suspect you'd be lucky to run a 3.0 from one of the big 3 German brands for the cost of the Tesla. That said, the interior on the Tesla is only nice and good quality by American standards, the Germans are a significantly nicer place to sit. 

My problem with hybrids is their complexity. You have all the bits of an ice car, plus the (admittedly generally reliable) HV motor, plus a trick diff to worry about.
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Re: Top Gear
« Reply #33 on: 25 June 2019, 00:15:44 »

Just watched it and found it very funny,arguably  better than the original in some ways :y
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Re: Top Gear
« Reply #34 on: 25 June 2019, 00:24:21 »

Talking of Teslas...

The diff, motor(s) and driveshafts could hypothetically be fitted to any RWD car with a subframe.

Want to drive your Omega in 20 years time? About 15k will see it done... Not sure what the range (probably better than a 3.2 ::)) would be but a 400v battery pack and a 90kw motor should be fine in an Omega as it will still be lighter than the Model S 8)

Oh, and the 40" iPad is shrunk down to a far more manageable double din sized screen...  :D
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Re: Top Gear
« Reply #35 on: 25 June 2019, 00:43:04 »

^^I am a big fan of this idea^^

If only I had the time (and knowledge) to get it done  ;D
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Re: Top Gear
« Reply #36 on: 25 June 2019, 10:12:01 »

A mate of mine did it with a Westfield...

https://www.barbadosmotorsport.com/videos/2018-02-25/electric-megawatt-westfield-autotesting-in-barbados-2018

OK, the running gear is probably a bit more crude than that in a Tesla (a couple of effing great series wound motors and a bootload of Li-Ion). ;D

Full story here:

https://forum.wscc.co.uk/forum/topic/121032-the-fastest-accelerating-westfield-in-the-world-the-megawatt/
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Re: Top Gear
« Reply #37 on: 25 June 2019, 10:24:16 »

It would need a lot of work, cooling systems, HV cabling loads more room needed at the back, chassis strengthening (to take the torque).

Then you might get the combined Motor/Gearbox/Inverter in.  :y
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Re: Top Gear
« Reply #38 on: 25 June 2019, 10:56:52 »

I have another friend who is putting Prius running gear into a VW Type 2. Haven't seen her recently so haven't had a progress report for some time.

I wonder if it'll be any better at getting up hills? :D
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Re: Top Gear
« Reply #39 on: 25 June 2019, 11:12:27 »

A mate of mine did it with a Westfield...

Looks like it was missing a bit of weight in front resulting in more understeer?
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Re: Top Gear
« Reply #40 on: 25 June 2019, 11:34:59 »

don't any of these electric cars have their drive motors built into their wheel hubs? It's seems the most logical place to put them if you're building an electric car from scratch.
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Re: Top Gear
« Reply #41 on: 25 June 2019, 11:43:59 »

don't any of these electric cars have their drive motors built into their wheel hubs? It's seems the most logical place to put them if you're building an electric car from scratch.

Some do but most drive a single axle for cost reasons.  The i-pace has two motors one for each pair of wheels.  The leaf motor sat in the place of the engine and drove the front wheels through a diff (with a fack load of torque 8) )
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Re: Top Gear
« Reply #42 on: 25 June 2019, 12:05:08 »

It would need a lot of work, cooling systems, HV cabling loads more room needed at the back, chassis strengthening (to take the torque).

Then you might get the combined Motor/Gearbox/Inverter in.  :y
The Omega wouldn't be my first choice for a conversion.

Remove the drivetrain from a Mercedes W140 chassis and you've a a world of possibilities... Easily get six battery packs along the tunnel or behind the rear seat where the 100 litre fuel tank lived.

Plenty of space under the bonnet for the electronics and cooling too.

Rear end of the Model S isn't dissimilar to the S Class... Separate subframe mounted in four corners, multilink suspension with self levelling/adaptive damping.

Also, the performance figures for the P85 are pretty much the same as the S600. Which is nice.  8)
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Re: Top Gear
« Reply #43 on: 25 June 2019, 18:35:55 »

I have another friend who is putting Prius running gear into a VW Type 2. Haven't seen her recently
/Tongue in cheek...

Have you checked the obituary columns
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Re: Top Gear
« Reply #44 on: 25 June 2019, 21:03:37 »

Just watched it , not bad at all.😁
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