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Lizzie Zoom

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Trump Shows Maturity!
« on: 22 June 2019, 14:26:00 »

Well, now one seems to have mentioned it (or am I missing another thread again!!), but Trump has pulled back from war with Iran, for the time being!

He stopped military action, just 10 minutes before it was to commence, against 3 Iranian targets that, in his words would "kill 150" Iranians.  This he said was "not proportionate" for the Iranian downing of a US military drone (worth $130m).  Exactly right! 

What a realistic, pragmatic and mature approach Trump has taken that puts him 'up there' as a US President who history may well rate as one who made a difference for his Nation and the World, just as much as Kennedy, or before that, Roosevelt did. Kennedy stopped a certain Nuclear conflict over Cuba at the 11th hour; Roosevelt held back from taking his nation to join a war with Nazi Germany in the hope of peace and to satisfy home isolationist policies, but then on 8th December 1941 took the decision to declare war on Japan which developed into a war with Germany and so inevitably give us all the freedoms we enjoy today. Both these strong men held back until they knew it was right to make their history changing decisions. Trump has just done that! 

He stopped at the 11th hour an action that would have resulted in very rapid tit for tat escalation of the already tense political and military  actions witnessed already between the US and Iran. For all his bombastic and very direct forceful rhetoric he showed leadership of great quality, as no doubt the hawkes within the White House and Pentagon wanted to strike Iran hard.   

What he has shown, so far and long may it continue, rather supports my thoughts on him that he has taken on the responsibilities of leading the most powerful democracy on Earth with a military to match and has matured as a President, away from his early vocal campaign, to make history.

I know others will disagree, but what is, is, and today and yesterday we have enjoyed peace away from what would have been, and still could be, war that could quickly involve many countries ;)
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Re: Trump Shows Maturity!
« Reply #1 on: 22 June 2019, 15:24:57 »

I think he probably just shit himself  :)
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Re: Trump Shows Maturity!
« Reply #2 on: 22 June 2019, 15:34:19 »

I just don't buy it that Donald Trump suddenly felt guilty that 150 Iranians may/might/will die.

There will be another reason.

.......possibly what the scouse reprobate says.

 
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Re: Trump Shows Maturity!
« Reply #3 on: 22 June 2019, 16:34:15 »

I just don't buy it that Donald Trump suddenly felt guilty that 150 Iranians may/might/will die.

There will be another reason.

.......possibly what the scouse reprobate says.

Who said he felt guilty?

His decision was simply based on what had actually happened and the kind of response that was proportionate; attacking  targets in Iran and killing 150 or more could not be justified in the eyes of the democratic World after simply a drone, claimed to be in Iranian air space, was shot down.

Trump assessed what the cause and effect was, thought about the International consequences and how him, his administration and the USA would be judged.  If he started WW3 by making an appalling decision no one would forgive him.  China and Russia are just waiting for the excuse....... ::) ::) ::)

This type of decision maketh the leader 8) 8) :y
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Re: Trump Shows Maturity!
« Reply #4 on: 22 June 2019, 17:18:20 »

I just don't buy it that Donald Trump suddenly felt guilty that 150 Iranians may/might/will die.

There will be another reason.

.......possibly what the scouse reprobate says.

Who said he felt guilty?

His decision was simply based on what had actually happened and the kind of response that was proportionate; attacking  targets in Iran and killing 150 or more could not be justified in the eyes of the democratic World after simply a drone, claimed to be in Iranian air space, was shot down.

Trump assessed what the cause and effect was, thought about the International consequences and how him, his administration and the USA would be judged.  If he started WW3 by making an appalling decision no one would forgive him.  China and Russia are just waiting for the excuse....... ::) ::) ::)

This type of decision maketh the leader 8) 8) :y

Proportionate?

Not a word I would associate with old ginger pubes... :)

He is rarely 'measured' in his response. :) :-* :-* :-*
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Re: Trump Shows Maturity!
« Reply #5 on: 22 June 2019, 17:40:33 »

I just don't buy it that Donald Trump suddenly felt guilty that 150 Iranians may/might/will die.

There will be another reason.

.......possibly what the scouse reprobate says.

Who said he felt guilty?

His decision was simply based on what had actually happened and the kind of response that was proportionate; attacking  targets in Iran and killing 150 or more could not be justified in the eyes of the democratic World after simply a drone, claimed to be in Iranian air space, was shot down.

Trump assessed what the cause and effect was, thought about the International consequences and how him, his administration and the USA would be judged.  If he started WW3 by making an appalling decision no one would forgive him.  China and Russia are just waiting for the excuse....... ::) ::) ::)

This type of decision maketh the leader 8) 8) :y

Proportionate?

Not a word I would associate with old ginger pubes... :)

He is rarely 'measured' in his response. :) :-* :-* :-*

He was really not at times, but now.....................he has turned a corner and thank God he has as he is the man who could launch such a massive military strike that it would make anything known to date as a tea party! :)
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Re: Trump Shows Maturity!
« Reply #6 on: 22 June 2019, 19:16:38 »

I think it was a bluff.  :)
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Re: Trump Shows Maturity!
« Reply #7 on: 22 June 2019, 23:22:06 »

I agree with Lizz, Trump is learning and is doing a good job, your going to need a bit of support before you.... take out their navy........ destroy all oil installations,surface to air etc. Thatís what theyíre going to do if the Iranians donít wise up Imo.
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Re: Trump Shows Maturity!
« Reply #8 on: 24 June 2019, 17:44:33 »

Trump was told that escalating events in Iran, possibly leading to war, by his 2020 reelection polling & focus group teams would cost him getting reelected, so he pulled it.

US has been ramping up for 2020 since the mid-term elections, so like Boris, Trump is on his best behaviour. All 1st term US presidents tend to do very little in the last two years of their presidency while they concentrate on getting reelected.

Too early to tell how Trump will fare until the primaries end & we know who he is up against.
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Re: Trump Shows Maturity!
« Reply #9 on: 24 June 2019, 18:49:38 »

Trump was told that escalating events in Iran, possibly leading to war, by his 2020 reelection polling & focus group teams would cost him getting reelected, so he pulled it.

US has been ramping up for 2020 since the mid-term elections, so like Boris, Trump is on his best behaviour. All 1st term US presidents tend to do very little in the last two years of their presidency while they concentrate on getting reelected.

Too early to tell how Trump will fare until the primaries end & we know who he is up against.

So that  is why today Trump has ramped up the sanctions on Iran and told them what he demands they must do then? ::) ::)

This action with Iran is making Trump stronger and ever more electable as the strong President the American people love ;)

Trump is not going to back down for anyone, but is showing  the restraint a democratic Leader should take :)

However, Irans exports have been hit from 3 million barrels to half a million, and that is their main revenue earner. The new sanctions are going to tighten the screws unti the pips squeak.  Oh yes, Trump is going for everything he can just short of taking military action, so far!

NB Those oil figures are per day.
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