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Building a Wall
« on: 06 July 2019, 18:47:37 »

Parents are going to have a wall built around 3ft high X 12ft long, (double layered like the one in the pic,But Straight) at the front of there house,
A builder across the road told them that it will also need iron work in it too,Anyone got any idea what he is going on about.

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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #1 on: 06 July 2019, 18:58:32 »

Maybe referring to iron rods ( rebar ) in the foundations . This helps to stop cracks in the actual wall if there is movement in the foundations.  As always the key thing is the prep.

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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #2 on: 06 July 2019, 21:36:42 »

No, unless the ground is like jelly you wonít need nothing in the founds,  nice to see that wall topped of with engineering bricks (Staffordshire blues) excellent brick.
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #3 on: 06 July 2019, 21:54:57 »

I don't really know  ???
likely some  reinforcement in the foundation (can't dig up the public footpath to put a wide one in )
every foundation is different depending on the ground and what you build  ;)
"iron work" to hang gates  :-\
I doubt it will be EML between bricks  :-\
maybe a stainless starter kit if butting up to existing walls  :-\

Ask him , any good builder should explain a job in depth and in plain English ,so the client knows what they are paying for  :y
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #4 on: 06 July 2019, 22:07:23 »

I don't really know  ???
likely some  reinforcement in the foundation (can't dig up the public footpath to put a wide one in )
every foundation is different depending on the ground and what you build  ;)
"iron work" to hang gates  :-\
I doubt it will be EML between bricks  :-\
maybe a stainless starter kit if butting up to existing walls  :-\

Ask him , any good builder should explain a job in depth and in plain English ,so the client knows what they are paying for  :y
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #5 on: 06 July 2019, 22:07:44 »

I don't really know  ???
likely some  reinforcement in the foundation (can't dig up the public footpath to put a wide one in )
every foundation is different depending on the ground and what you build  ;)
"iron work" to hang gates  :-\
I doubt it will be EML between bricks  :-\
maybe a stainless starter kit if butting up to existing walls  :-\

Ask him , any good builder should explain a job in depth and in plain English ,so the client knows what they are paying for  :y
That last paragraph applies to anything you are paying for ;)
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #6 on: 07 July 2019, 11:05:58 »

I'd assume he means upright iron rods inserted at intervals, usually set inside the piers, to stop the wall falling over if it cracks/gets hit etc. If set inside a pier, the whole pier would be filled with cement.
They are banged in vertically and concreted in the wall footing. The pier or double skin wall is then built around the iron uprights. More relevant in this case as it meets the highway/neighbouring boundary and we don't want it falling over and hurting anybody do we.  :)
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #7 on: 07 July 2019, 11:30:43 »

I'd assume he means upright iron rods inserted at intervals, usually set inside the piers, to stop the wall falling over if it cracks/gets hit etc. If set inside a pier, the whole pier would be filled with cement.
They are banged in vertically and concreted in the wall footing. The pier or double skin wall is then built around the iron uprights. More relevant in this case as it meets the highway/neighbouring boundary and we don't want it falling over and hurting anybody do we.  :)
Quite plausible
BUT  :D If your banging in rods at the front of a house , you need to be pretty sure your missing the gas, electric, sewer and water  :o
As for reinforcing it to stop it being damaged by a car hitting it , the wall will be damaged and need rebuilding anyway  :(
so if your worried , fit an armco "wall"  :D ;D
Any wall needs a good foundation ,suitable for ground conditions ,loading etc , many people re-build garden walls on weak, thin or existing foundations  that will fail again

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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #8 on: 07 July 2019, 11:50:28 »

I'd assume he means upright iron rods inserted at intervals, usually set inside the piers, to stop the wall falling over if it cracks/gets hit etc. If set inside a pier, the whole pier would be filled with cement.
They are banged in vertically and concreted in the wall footing. The pier or double skin wall is then built around the iron uprights. More relevant in this case as it meets the highway/neighbouring boundary and we don't want it falling over and hurting anybody do we.  :)
Quite plausible
BUT  :D If your banging in rods at the front of a house , you need to be pretty sure your missing the gas, electric, sewer and water  :o
As for reinforcing it to stop it being damaged by a car hitting it , the wall will be damaged and need rebuilding anyway  :(
so if your worried , fit an armco "wall"  :D ;D
Any wall needs a good foundation ,suitable for ground conditions ,loading etc , many people re-build garden walls on weak, thin or existing foundations  that will fail again

There is a wall close by in Ashford that, to my knowledge, has been fully demolished four times in recent years due to being hit by motor vehicles as it is on a bend, but on a road with a 30 mph speed limit! :o :o

Very sadly, nine years ago, the first time that I know it was demolished, a drunken driver killed two after ploughing into a group of 6 people, and got 10 years inside:
https://www.gravesendreporter.co.uk/news/drunk-jailed-for-10-years-for-killing-two-1-599895

 :'( :'( :'( >:(
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #9 on: 07 July 2019, 12:04:09 »

probably a good candidate for an Armco "wall" then  ::)


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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #10 on: 07 July 2019, 12:27:33 »

Obviously the rods don't stop a car knocking the wall down, they are intended to prevent the whole lot going over.  :y
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #11 on: 07 July 2019, 12:32:15 »

probably a good candidate for an Armco "wall" then  ::)

Yep, and still they are rebuilding it in brick, with no metal barriers!! ::) ::) ;)
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #12 on: 07 July 2019, 14:09:46 »

Christ, itís only a baby wall 3.0í  high and 12í long  it doesnít need anything other than good founds as Dai said.
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #13 on: 07 July 2019, 14:16:24 »

Donald does a fine line in walls... Might be a bit high for planning purposes  :-\
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #14 on: 07 July 2019, 14:17:27 »

Ha ha, cost a bit too  ;D
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #15 on: 07 July 2019, 14:51:00 »

Donald does a fine line in walls... Might be a bit high for planning purposes  :-\

Yes, and Donald will even supply an army to guard it for you! ;D ;D ;)
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #16 on: 07 July 2019, 16:11:27 »

Donald does a fine line in walls... Might be a bit high for planning purposes  :-\

Yes, and Donald will even supply a couple of Mexicans to guard it for you! ;D ;D ;)
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #17 on: 07 July 2019, 16:20:31 »

Donald does a fine line in walls... Might be a bit high for planning purposes  :-\

Yes, and Donald will even supply a couple of Mexicans to guard it for you! ;D ;D ;)
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #18 on: 07 July 2019, 18:54:11 »

Perhaps he meant that it needs a railing along the top to to protect trespassers from falling over the top. Must be aware of ,Elf & Safety issues.  :D
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #19 on: 07 July 2019, 19:25:56 »

Maybe some Irn bru.
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #20 on: 07 July 2019, 23:33:28 »

probably meant brick ties if building the wall in stretcher bond.  :y
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #21 on: 08 July 2019, 08:20:49 »

Is it a retaining wall for the garden as per the pic?
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #22 on: 08 July 2019, 17:14:45 »

Not seen the builder,but on sunday i seen the Quote he gave them and it said 10mm retaining rods on it,so i guess he is going to be putting them in the two pillows,or maybe in the wall.   :-\ :-\
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #23 on: 08 July 2019, 18:21:47 »

Standard four inch wall ties then I assume :y
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #24 on: 08 July 2019, 18:27:03 »

probably meant brick ties if building the wall in stretcher bond:y

I had to look this up and I now find myself looking at brick walls with interest.  ::)

Saw a nice Flemish Bond brick wall outside of Taunton today.  :)
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« Reply #25 on: 08 July 2019, 20:34:29 »

If you like that then you will really appreciate the technicalities of waterbond itís beautiful.
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #26 on: 08 July 2019, 21:45:50 »

There's quite a bit of "friday afternoon bond" walls round these parts  ::)
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #27 on: 08 July 2019, 22:06:54 »

 :D :D ;D
There's quite a bit of "friday afternoon bond" walls round these parts  ::)
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #28 on: 08 July 2019, 23:23:13 »

Is it a retaining wall for the garden as per the pic?
Yes mark...But on the other side of the wall is the (public) pavement,and that is why i think he is saying these 10mm rods.
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« Reply #29 on: 09 July 2019, 07:42:00 »

Is it a retaining wall for the garden as per the pic?
Yes mark...But on the other side of the wall is the (public) pavement,and that is why i think he is saying these 10mm rods.

That's why they are using the rods, if its a retaining wall in any way (pavement, patio etc) then a free standing brick structure needs tying together vertically in order to stop it moving. It should also extend below the lowest ground level to (but that rarely happens)
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #30 on: 09 July 2019, 20:38:28 »

whilst the topic of brickwork is in the for , has anybody done any brickwork using " monk bond " ?
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« Reply #31 on: 10 July 2019, 07:51:43 »

whilst the topic of brickwork is in the for , has anybody done any brickwork using " monk bond " ?

Only when learning, two stretchers and a header, not to hard to do.  :y
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« Reply #32 on: 10 July 2019, 09:14:10 »

If you like that then you will really appreciate the technicalities of waterbond itís beautiful.

Can't find any pictures of waterbond...  :-\

Is that a Welsh term Rae?  ???  ::)   That's a serious question BTW!  ;D
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« Reply #33 on: 10 July 2019, 13:06:41 »

If you like that then you will really appreciate the technicalities of waterbond itís beautiful.

Can't find any pictures of waterbond...  :-\

Is that a Welsh term Rae?  ???  ::)   That's a serious question BTW!  ;D

Similar to stretcher but, the inner and outer leaf have the bricks with a vertical half brick offset.

It means if you get pressure on the sides it wont slip on the mortar joints as easily, it also slows water penetration via the mortar joints
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« Reply #34 on: 11 July 2019, 18:35:12 »

If you like that then you will really appreciate the technicalities of waterbond itís beautiful.

Can't find any pictures of waterbond...  :-\

Is that a Welsh term Rae?  ???  ::)   That's a serious question BTW!  ;D
.     Thatís strange I canít find any either, inner course and outer course are at different levels by starting with a split course so as horizontal courses Are half a brick. Itís a rare beast!
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #35 on: 11 July 2019, 19:12:15 »

As said by Fuse19
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« Reply #36 on: 11 July 2019, 19:25:09 »

If you like that then you will really appreciate the technicalities of waterbond itís beautiful.

Can't find any pictures of waterbond...  :-\

Is that a Welsh term Rae?  ???  ::)   That's a serious question BTW!  ;D
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #37 on: 11 July 2019, 19:28:34 »

HERE.
Anyone heard of 'water bond' no
overlap just stacked on top of each other, was taught
this at college for special manhole construction.
Have yet to use it on site though. :)


We used to use this on manholes back in the 70's. Put simply it's stretcher bond but with another wall of stretcher bond adjacent but all the joints (including the bed joints) are staggered. So if the inner wall is built off the manhole base concrete as normal, the outer wall is started with a split brick to get the bed joints to mis-align. Supposedly this is as waterproof a wall as you can get just by using bricks. Thank God for plastic and concrete manholes.
 
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Must admit you've impressed me. Since leaving the classroom I've only met a couple of guys who knew about the perps in english bond, same with water bond, not many know what that is.

In college we were told english bond was the strongest because of the amount of perps that sat on top of one another. My argument was header bond has less than english bond, 10mm x 15mm at each end per course. So that should be stronger.

Sometimes I'll still use water bond on a manhole, never start with splits though, I use half bats, easier with engineering bricks.
One drawback with water bond is putting an arch over a pipe, more little cuts to put in. The way I've got round it in the past, is to use a welsh arch.
VCM if anyone is going to know what a welsh arch is without having to look it up, I'd say you might. If you do I'll be super impressed.
 
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without having to look it up, I'd say you might. If
you do I'll be super impressed.

Aha! The good old Welsh arch. This was one of the first things we ever learnt as it avoided the need for a lintel over a small pipe going through the wall. I've a feeling you know what it is but I'll say it anyway.

Say you want a 4" pipe to go through a wall but don't want a lintel. You build up to either side of the pipe but each brick either side is backed off at 45 degrees. A stretcher is then laid over the pipe but this stretcher also has backed off ends at 45 degrees. This stretcher therefore fits perfectly onto the bricks below and keeps courses too.

I'll do a sketch...... be right back :)
 
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http://s145.photobucket.com/albums/r229/photoman049/welsharch.jpg
 
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« Reply #39 on: 11 July 2019, 22:20:50 »

Well done Rae, that took some searching for!  ::)  :D  :y

How do they tie the two walls together?  ???  :-\
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #40 on: 11 July 2019, 22:40:08 »

Stepped wall ties?
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« Reply #41 on: 12 July 2019, 10:56:46 »

Well done Rae, that took some searching for!  ::)  :D  :y

How do they tie the two walls together???  :-\

Its not a bond you use on freestanding walls, only generally underground or with a single side loaded, hence little need for ties (one side will push against the other)
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« Reply #42 on: 12 July 2019, 16:12:40 »

Ahh, of course👍 Nice one.
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« Reply #43 on: 12 July 2019, 18:14:03 »

I much prefer the traditional "brook bond" , way better than PG tips
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« Reply #44 on: 12 July 2019, 20:45:28 »

Itís the taste that makes you do it!! ::)
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« Reply #45 on: 12 July 2019, 23:55:06 »

All i asked was a simple question about a wall, but yet this thread drags on for over 3 pages...That is what is great about  OOF it covers everything thinkable....I love it....  :y
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« Reply #46 on: 13 July 2019, 00:18:58 »

Even get a cuppa :y
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Re: Building a Wall
« Reply #47 on: 13 July 2019, 00:36:42 »

Even get a cuppa :y

Of Brickies Tea;D
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